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Santana's Hitting Inconsistencies ...

Postby ironmike » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:15 am

Manny Acta says Santana needs to cut down or eliminate his leg kick at the plate.

"Every hitter who has the high leg kick, and does those type of things, goes on rhythm," said Acta. "Those guys have a tendency to be up and down because that's what pitchers do (upset that rhythm)."

Santana is hitting .217 (13-for-60) right-handed and .235 (27-for-115) left-handed. All five of his homers and 17 of his 27 RBI have come from the left side.

"Less is more," said Acta. "The less body movement you have at the plate, the better chance you have of keeping those eyes quiet."

Can't say enough about what manager Manny Acta says here. He's 100% correct. When a hitters head moves his vision "jumps" and makes it difficult to track the baseball consistently.

SANTANA NEEDS TO ADOPT THE PAUL MOLITOR STYLE OF HITTING ....

A great example of this was Paul Molitor. Molitor lifted his front foot ever so SLIGHTLY and his stride was minimized into the baseball, the ONLY way to maintain quiet eyes. Why more players don't use this style is puzzling. Young hitters at the LL level should try to copy Molitor along with making certain they see the baseball with both eyes. Coco Crisp always cocked his head prior to each pitch to assure he was seeing the baseball with both eyes simultaneously.

Here's a short YT video demonstrating Molitor's hitting fundamentals that earned him more than 3,300 ML hits not counting all the time he missed on the DL. Molitor in 20+ seasons walked as much as he K'd, stole a ton of bases and is often overlooked as the most productive hitter in the last 30 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q0EsZiojHU

If Santana would implement these fundamentals in his swing he would be a super star because he walks 90+ times per season, but his batting average is poor. Most fans believe he's great already, not so, because the Indians front office BS hypes him to help sell tickets and earn fan connection. What they are doing is projecting he could be or HOPING he becomes this type of player. Adopting Molitor's fundamentals would be the missing piece for Santana as a hitter.

Manny Acta is 100% correct regarding Santana, strike outs vs walks do matter and Santana needs to improve.
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Re: Santana's Hitting Inconsistencies ...

Postby Prosecutor » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:45 am

Kipnis is another example of a hitter who doesn't wiggle around at the plate. He's almost completely motionless as the pitch is delivered.

The other problem with Santana is he swings as hard as he can and tries to pull everything. As a result he has a lot of swing-and-misses on breaking balls and his swing is too long to square up a fastball more than occasionally.

After Kipnis hit that game-winning HR off a high-90's fastball yesterday he said that when a pitcher is throwing that hard you shorten your swing and let the pitcher provide the power. I wish Santana had the ability to do that.
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Re: Santana's Hitting Inconsistencies ...

Postby ironmike » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:54 pm

The Indians hardly ever talk about player issues openly. Perhaps this is a way of telling the fan base we've tried to work with Santana but he continues to resist coaching suggestions?
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Re: Santana's Hitting Inconsistencies ...

Postby indians1 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:15 pm

so then,

did it make sense to give him the contract extension? i am hopeful that they are going to help santana figure things out.

I am fearful because the high OBP was what the indians FO fed the fans with grady when he was striking out alot. HIs average was dropping but he had a better OBP. He didn't cut down his swing and he has continued to strikeout at a high rate even when he was healthy.

We have to hope that santana is open to coaching and is able of making the adjustments. Just like we nee ubaldo to pitch like an ace if we are going to compete for the playoffs, we need carlos santana to hit like a cleanup hitter. We need him to be elite and right now he is bad. even before his concussion.

Kipnis will not be enough to be our go to hitter. We need a strong middle of the order that will be consistent. We already had to move choo to leadoff because his power has completely left his game. We won't have that many optons with santana.
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Re: Santana's Hitting Inconsistencies ...

Postby GeronimoSon » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:37 am

indians1 wrote:so then,

did it make sense to give him the contract extension? i am hopeful that they are going to help santana figure things out.

A five year ~ $ 19 MM contract with a sixth year club option is pretty much what Carlos Santana would have gotten if he had negotiated his contract through the normal year to year process. By signing this contract, Carlos has pretty much taken the negotiation/business side of baseball out of the equation through is first FA year.

I am fearful because the high OBP was what the indians FO fed the fans with grady when he was striking out alot. HIs average was dropping but he had a better OBP. He didn't cut down his swing and he has continued to strikeout at a high rate even when he was healthy.

We have to hope that santana is open to coaching and is able of making the adjustments. Just like we nee ubaldo to pitch like an ace if we are going to compete for the playoffs, we need carlos santana to hit like a cleanup hitter. We need him to be elite and right now he is bad. even before his concussion.

Kipnis will not be enough to be our go to hitter. We need a strong middle of the order that will be consistent. We already had to move choo to leadoff because his power has completely left his game. We won't have that many optons with santana.

The Indians didn't move Choo to the lead off spot because he lacked power. They moved him to the lead off spot because Michael Brantley was unable to do the job there. Choo was Manny's choice to cover the spot. During that time, Choo has shown he can get on base & is scoring runs, just like a lead off hitter should. A BRILLIANT move by Manny...


As far as Kipnis being enough as a go to hitter.. that's an undefined trait that can mean anything and nothing. The Indians score and win when the starting pitching goes deep into the game, six innings or more, the bullpen shuts down the opposition, the the bottom of the lineup is contributing some and the top five in the order is driving the ball and driving in runs.. It's a simple game when these things happen.. :cool
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Re: Santana's Hitting Inconsistencies ...

Postby Prosecutor » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:53 am

Kipnis is hitting .400 (24-for-60) with RISP. If that's not the definition of a "go-to" hitter, I don't know what is. If that's not good enough I don't know what you want. Joey Votto or Miguel Cabrera would be nice, but I'm pretty sure they're not available.

Another 0-for-4 with 2 K's for Santana last night. He's completely lost at the plate right now. He may be still feeling the combined effects of the concussion and the week layoff. He needs to turn it around soon because he's hitting cleanup with Hafner out and we can't afford a cleanup hitter who gets one hit in 27 at-bats.
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Re: Santana's Hitting Inconsistencies ...

Postby BrianM » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:30 am

Eric Hosmer is or was having the same problem this year. in the last 2 weeks after fixing this problem, he has batted over 300 and has still hit a couple home runs. It is a common problem, and Im confident Santana will be able to fix it. The only player I have ever really seen be very successful with a higher leg kick is Manny. Hopefully Santana understands that he is not Manny, and puts the effort in to make the change.
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Re: Santana's Hitting Inconsistencies ...

Postby indians1 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:32 pm

my point was that we need santana to be a power hitter that can consistently produce. The guy hit in the .230's last year and is not much better this year. We can't depend on kipnis day in and day out to be our go to guy because he isn't that type of hitter.

Kipnis is a really nice player that could hit 20-HR's/year. We need santana to be the guy that hits close to 30+HR's and hits close to .300. That is what he was in the minors and everybody projected him as a victor martinez type player except with more power. That is what we need if we are to compete.

It wasn't a shot at kipnis to say that he can't be our go to guy, it is just fact. He (speaking in basketball terms) is robin and we need santana to be batman. We need a solid 1-2 punch in the middle our lineup. Just like we need masterson and jimenez to pitch like #1 and #2 anchors for the rotation.
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