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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:07 am

Yes... it was a great outing for CC-Lite.. The TV guys (Matt and Di..err Rick) immediately noticed that CC went exclusively from the stretch there by simplifying his delivery.. He has the arm to bring it in the mid to mid/upper 90's along with a nasty, hard & late biting slider and a change up that fades to his arm side.. It's enough to keep hitters "befuddled"...

Bauer gets the W.. I don't know what to think of this outing.. The first time through the batting order, Bauer was throwing... not pitching.. but throwing fastballs & was lit up. The Halos were 4 for 9 with two runs the first time through the order.. after that.. Bauer-Power then brought out Uncle Charlie and other than Ianetta, the Halos did a good impression of flailing away at hay... Bauer pitched into the 7th inning, before giving way to CC's game finishing outing. With the effort of these two kids, Tito was able to give the pen, specifically Cody, Shaw-shank, and Scrabble a night off.. Maybe they can do it again tonight?..

Carlos Santana's offense is clearly improved..Chisenhall.. seems to be hitting in bad luck right now, but not really scuffling.. Bourn getting on base almost always means the Indians are going to win..

The race in the AL Central just got a bit tighter at the top.. With the Royals outslugging the Tigers, 2 1/2 game separates first to third in the division as well as putting seven teams within reach of the Wild Card by the same margin..

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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:35 am

Well.. that was a beat down... sort of.. THe little cowboy wasn't able to keep the Angels from putting the good wood on the ball all night..seemed like his FB was a tick or three down..and he couldn't get his hook into the zone unless it was a hanger..by the time the Halos were going through their order for the third time, it was all she wrote for Josh.. It was just not his night..

Kyle Crocket did a good job.. seems like he's unfazed by the speed of the game.. he's fitting in quite nicely..

Lowe & Outman <=== aren't showing me JACK..

Offensively.. the bottom half of the order took the night off.. CSan continues to hit the ball while Lonnie got back to being what we've seen since day one of this season.. It won't be a fun night with CJ Wilson on the hill for the Halos.. hopefully Masterson can be masterful.. It's gonna be a muggy windy perhaps wet night at the park..too..

With the Royals winning streak now hitting # 9, they have surpassed the Tigers to take the lead in the AL Central Division. The top three teams (KC, De-Toilet, and Cleveland) are now separated by three games.. The race in the AL Central appears to be joined well before the all star break !..
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby A.Zajac » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:13 am

GeronimoSon wrote:Well.. that was a beat down... sort of.. THe little cowboy wasn't able to keep the Angels from putting the good wood on the ball all night..seemed like his FB was a tick or three down..and he couldn't get his hook into the zone unless it was a hanger..by the time the Halos were going through their order for the third time, it was all she wrote for Josh.. It was just not his night..

Kyle Crocket did a good job.. seems like he's unfazed by the speed of the game.. he's fitting in quite nicely..

Lowe & Outman <=== aren't showing me JACK..

Offensively.. the bottom half of the order took the night off.. CSan continues to hit the ball while Lonnie got back to being what we've seen since day one of this season.. It won't be a fun night with CJ Wilson on the hill for the Halos.. hopefully Masterson can be masterful.. It's gonna be a muggy windy perhaps wet night at the park..too..

With the Royals winning streak now hitting # 9, they have surpassed the Tigers to take the lead in the AL Central Division. The top three teams (KC, De-Toilet, and Cleveland) are now separated by three games.. The race in the AL Central appears to be joined well before the all star break !..


And Swisher still stinks too.. don't forget that. :ugeek
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:02 pm

A.Zajac wrote:
GeronimoSon wrote:Well.. that was a beat down... sort of.. THe little cowboy wasn't able to keep the Angels from putting the good wood on the ball all night..seemed like his FB was a tick or three down..and he couldn't get his hook into the zone unless it was a hanger..by the time the Halos were going through their order for the third time, it was all she wrote for Josh.. It was just not his night..

Kyle Crocket did a good job.. seems like he's unfazed by the speed of the game.. he's fitting in quite nicely..

Lowe & Outman <=== aren't showing me JACK..

Offensively.. the bottom half of the order took the night off.. CSan continues to hit the ball while Lonnie got back to being what we've seen since day one of this season.. It won't be a fun night with CJ Wilson on the hill for the Halos.. hopefully Masterson can be masterful.. It's gonna be a muggy windy perhaps wet night at the park..too..

With the Royals winning streak now hitting # 9, they have surpassed the Tigers to take the lead in the AL Central Division. The top three teams (KC, De-Toilet, and Cleveland) are now separated by three games.. The race in the AL Central appears to be joined well before the all star break !..


And Swisher still stinks too.. don't forget that. :ugeek

Swing-n-miss was included in the collective "bottom half of the order taking the night off" grouping..
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby A.Zajac » Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:59 pm

GeronimoSon wrote:
A.Zajac wrote:
GeronimoSon wrote:Well.. that was a beat down... sort of.. THe little cowboy wasn't able to keep the Angels from putting the good wood on the ball all night..seemed like his FB was a tick or three down..and he couldn't get his hook into the zone unless it was a hanger..by the time the Halos were going through their order for the third time, it was all she wrote for Josh.. It was just not his night..

Kyle Crocket did a good job.. seems like he's unfazed by the speed of the game.. he's fitting in quite nicely..

Lowe & Outman <=== aren't showing me JACK..

Offensively.. the bottom half of the order took the night off.. CSan continues to hit the ball while Lonnie got back to being what we've seen since day one of this season.. It won't be a fun night with CJ Wilson on the hill for the Halos.. hopefully Masterson can be masterful.. It's gonna be a muggy windy perhaps wet night at the park..too..

With the Royals winning streak now hitting # 9, they have surpassed the Tigers to take the lead in the AL Central Division. The top three teams (KC, De-Toilet, and Cleveland) are now separated by three games.. The race in the AL Central appears to be joined well before the all star break !..


And Swisher still stinks too.. don't forget that. :ugeek

Swing-n-miss was included in the collective "bottom half of the order taking the night off" grouping..


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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby criznit2009 » Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:07 pm

Can't we get a Cuban too?

Top Outfielder Yasmani Tomas Defects From Cuba.

He is a righty.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby Edible14 » Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:57 am

We usually get outbid on those sorts of things. Tomas isn't considered as good of a prospect as Abreu or Puig, but he'll still command a decent amount of money. He also still has to establish residency in a new country and be cleared by the US government to play here. Those things can take some time, it may take him until the offseason to finally be declared an MLB free agent.

I'd love to see the Indians grab him. Don't know if that happens. But it seems to me that a corner outfield power bat from the right hand side of the dish would be really useful to a team that already knows that it's going into next season with Bourn, Brantley and Murphy in the outfield. And the defectors aren't usually getting outrageous contracts. Puig, Abreu and Cespedes are significantly outplaying their existing deals. It's likely you can get him for a contract similar to what Cespedes got.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby Tondo » Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:59 pm

Here's a novel idea Mr.Francona, you walk VMart and Miggy and let the other Tiger Bats who hit .150 or so against you beat you. How bout that? Getting beat by the same couple of bats time and again is kind of stupid, it obviously doesn't work, so change up on it.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby Kipnis22 » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:32 pm

Tondo wrote:Here's a novel idea Mr.Francona, you walk VMart and Miggy and let the other Tiger Bats who hit .150 or so against you beat you. How bout that? Getting beat by the same couple of bats time and again is kind of stupid, it obviously doesn't work, so change up on it.


You mean like how JD Martinez beat us in game one and Kinsler and Davis beat us last night?
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:31 am

Opportunities created... opportunities lost..

It's looking more and more like Swisher is finally getting healthy.. his swings last night, while not outwardly beneficial to the team, were well struck.. Even his outs were loud.. It wouldnt' be a huge surprise to see him break out of this season long funk...

The Igniter got on base.. the next three guys, including Droobs, Brantley and Santana did nothing..hitting a buck eleven w/ RISP.. aint gonna get it done..

Bauer pitched okay.. not his best night.. not his worst.. he seemed to have trouble keeping his left shoulder up during his load prior to delivering the pitch allowing him to bring the FB down into the zone.. He did a great job keeping Cano off the bases.. limiting his contact.. making him look ordinary..

The pen.. with Vinnie P and Davey Crockett and Hags.. gave up nothing.. it was a good night for the B-Team..

Onto game two of the weekend series..Roenis Elias for the M's.. the Little Cowboy for the Sons.. This start by Josh Tomlin could become more important as the season progresses.. He's being counted on for a back of the rotation starters role.. he needs to keep the club in the game tonight.. His role could start to become tenuous with the potential return of Danny Salazar (his last two starts in AAA were okay, then pretty good).. Add in the emergence of Carlos Carrasco, who the Indians have to believe is more valuable as a starter.. and the Little Cowboy's spot in the rotation could be in jeopardy..

What is ".. six inning with less than four runs scored, Alex.." is the only "Jeopardy" Josh wants to see..
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby MadThinker88 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:36 pm

GeronimoSon wrote:...... Add in the emergence of Carlos Carrasco, who the Indians have to believe is more valuable as a starter.. and the Little Cowboy's spot in the rotation could be in jeopardy..

What is ".. six inning with less than four runs scored, Alex.." is the only "Jeopardy" Josh wants to see..


Got to disagree with you on this point. Carlos is finally pitching well by coming out of the bullpen. I can't believe the tribe would be looking to mess with that and try him as a starter AGAIN!

Yes, it's important for Josh to have a good start but it's for reasons other than Carlos getting another chance in the rotation...
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:31 pm

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GeronimoSon wrote:...... Add in the emergence of Carlos Carrasco, who the Indians have to believe is more valuable as a starter.. and the Little Cowboy's spot in the rotation could be in jeopardy..

What is ".. six inning with less than four runs scored, Alex.." is the only "Jeopardy" Josh wants to see..


Got to disagree with you on this point. Carlos is finally pitching well by coming out of the bullpen. I can't believe the tribe would be looking to mess with that and try him as a starter AGAIN!

Yes, it's important for Josh to have a good start but it's for reasons other than Carlos getting another chance in the rotation...

Disagree with what?... You've excluded the Danny Salazar angle.. Messing with a pitcher is ALL that the Indians have done with Carlos in his career so far. There doesn't appear to be any reason they change bouncing between starting and relieving anytime soon. Carlos IS more valuable as a starter and had the repertoire to achieve that role. Along with the fact that no changes have been made.. I don't get what you're disagreeing with....
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby MadThinker88 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:05 pm

GSon, my disagreement is on the Carlos angle you presented and on that part of it alone.

Please re-read the final part of my previous post. I think that was made clear. This is an important start for Josh.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby MadThinker88 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:52 am

It was a great start by Tomlin on Saturday nite. A pleasure to see/ hear.
I hope he is able to maintain some success moving forward (a repeat would be a little much to consistently ask for) because if so, he will remain in this rotation.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:58 pm

MadThinker88 wrote:It was a great start by Tomlin on Saturday nite. A pleasure to see/ hear.
I hope he is able to maintain some success moving forward (a repeat would be a little much to consistently ask for) because if so, he will remain in this rotation.

That was the kind of outing that the team needed.. no bout a doubt it.. He was on form.. kept his velo on his FB in the low 90's and threw all his pitches where he wanted.. This could be a break out outing for him..

The rest of the team did okay too..Loved Raburn's over the shoulder back hand diving grab..best defensive play by an OF'er for the Indians this year...

Onto the rubber game of the series.. a W here put the Indians above .500 for the roadie and wins the series.. TJ House... needs to build a good foundation if he wants to be considered for this rotation in the future.. We shall see..
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:43 am

Lose one... win one..

Triple Play.. it took a good/above average throw from Brantley after the running catch to nail Dee Gordon followed by the STOOOOPID of Yasiel to get nailed at 2B.. Good play..gonna see that one on the highlight reels...

That home run Chiz hit was off perhaps one of the worst hangers Josh Beckett has thrown in his entire career...

Nice to see the offense add runs multiple times... especially Murph and Swisher.. Swisher has been swinging the bat MUCH better recently but hasn't had the results to show for it.. His hitting is coming..

Justin Masterson..was up to 91 on a couple of two seam fast balls.. maybe he can work it out.. He's throwing an awful lot of pitches..

Here's an idea.. We know that Zach McAllister is going to be back any moment.. Now, IF Salazar proves he's good to go around/after the All Star Break, perhaps Masterson in the pen wouldn't be such a bad idea..

Onto the rubber game of the three game series.. Bauer v Ryu... Should be a good one.. The game takes place in the afternoon in LA.. so any balls hit in the air.. have a better chance of going out of the park.. A W today makes the roadie a split of the 8 games.. then it's back to "home cookin" for a whopping ten game home stand to finish out the first half..
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:06 pm

And the roadie ends with a split.. about as good as can be expected..

Taking on two first place team and the current WC team on the road and coming back with a split of the trip should open some eyes. The brutal part of the Indians schedule is now over.. no more west coast trips.. Now a day off tomorrow and home to open up a series against the Royals.. should be a GREAT weekend..

Players of the game.. hmm..

Start with the starter.. just okay again.. not exactly his best.. not exactly the most control.. he left after pitching into the sixth inning trailing 3-2... He was in command..then he wasn't.. he was up.. he was down.. he finally got his curve ball working.. but then his FB was sailing high.. on and on.. he's going to be a work in progress, I'm afraid.. that's what you get with 23 year olds.. inconsistency..

The Raburn Bomb <== this is the guy the Indians counted on all last season.. maybe he's back?..

Onto the Royals.. and the big homestand before the break...
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby Prosecutor » Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:48 am

That double by Ryu really seemed to rattle Bauer. After not allowing a walk through the first four innings he walked the next two batters and then gave up a 3-2 single to give the Dodgers the lead. I would have liked to see him shake it off and get the next guy to keep the score at 2-1 Indians.

Huge clutch hits by Murphy (pinch hitting) and Aviles. Throw in Raburn's HR and you have key contributions from guys who have been struggling. That's the formula the Tribe needs to win - good starting pitching, an airtight bullpen, and somebody different to step up every game. Oh, and the defense has improved since the first couple months of the season when I was holding my breath on every ground ball.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:28 am

Big crowd.. nice fireworks.. Yordano settled into his start and dominated the Indians or as the adage goes, good pitching beats good hitting (not that there was good hitting to be found).. Another great night at the ballpark for the fans.....

Today, the pivotal middle game of the series pits old friend Jeremy Guthrie against TJ House.. it looks pretty good for the home team in this, House's second home start. His last home contest saw the Indians score three runs against the Red Sox in the first inning, eventually lose the lead.. but come back to get the W at the corner of Carnegie and Ontario. It's gonna be a beautiful night at the park. Hopefully, the fireworks after the game will resemble the fireworks from the Tribe bats against our former first round pick Guthrie.. We shall see.. go Tribe..
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:23 pm

A nice W by the Indians tonight.. This is what I'd classify as a Smooooooth Team Win. Swish had a hand in it as well.. Bauer pitched pretty well.. not bad.. could have been better, but not much.. The Pen came through with another pair of zeros to end it (odd scoring.. Allen only credited with 0.2 IP when he started the 9th inning.. anyone have an idea why?..)... Tying up the series for a Wednesday evening game.. Another beautiful night at the ball park..
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby Prosecutor » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:01 am

Huge win for the SoG as Dennis Maniloff detailed in his PD column this morning. I love the way that guy breaks down a game. Beating one of the top pitchers in the AL, who was 10-0 against teams he was facing for the first time, was awesome. Brantley just kicked his butt with two doubles and a HR, plus a nice running catch in deep center.

Swisher came through with a huge HR to put the Tribe in the lead. That was his second dinger in two nights. Maybe he's finally starting to pull it together after an abysmal first half.

Bauer was outstanding, going 7 innings with 2 ER's. He also had to get two extra outs due to errors on routine ground balls by Swish and Chiz, but he got one back when Ellsbury stupidly tried to steal 3rd on Gomes.

Kipnis got two more hits and stole two bags, so that's another positive sign.

Looks like we'll have a platoon of Holt/Dickerson in left for the next month or so until Bourn gets back. It will be interesting to see if the Holt/Dickerson platoon produces more offensively than Bourn. I think it's likely they'll at least match his production, and for a tiny fraction of the cost.

Masterson to the DL. About time. So now it's Kluber, Bauer, House, Tomlin, and McAllister (or Salazar). I wonder if they might give Carrasco another shot if they need an emergency starter. He went three innings on Monday and shut out the Yankees. I know they finally found a role he is thriving in and you don't want to mess with what's working, but still...if Masterson's knee doesn't improve in a couple of weeks and somebody else goes down, I wouldn't mind seeing Carlos get one more shot.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby homerawayfromhome » Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:48 am

Brantley has far exceeded the player I thought he'd become. I figured him at best .285 10-15 hrs 20-25 dbls 20-25 sb. Brantley looks like he should easily pass 20/20/20 at this point. That's tremendous value for the Tribe.

Trevor Bauer with another nice outing, it's good to see him establishing himself in the rotation for the Tribe. Talk about a guy redeeming his prospect value. I think he's got a bright future as a mainstay in the rotation for several yrs to come.

Just thinking out loud here, but what if Masterson needs knee surgery? This could be one of those times, guy needs it, but is trying to delay it. If he does need knee surgery, I think there could be chance he's back again next yr. Regardless, unless he's got his A game on, I don't even think he will get a QO at this point. It seems too risky for the Tribe - get they were / are trying to contend but I still think they should have considered moving Masterson this past offseason. They probably gave it some serious thought. At this point, I think if he does need surgery or misses any lengthy amount of time the Tribe could possibly bring him back on a similar one yr deal with incentives laced in it.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:28 am

What a tough way to lose a game...

The little Cowboy pitched his ASS off... did a good job of keeping these guys in the game.... Next time (next year).. DON'T PITCH TO MARK Teixeira !!!. In fairness to Tomlin...he would have had to roll the ball over the plate to keep Teix from yanking those two out of the park.. Tomlin appears to be the kind of BORP that will always be prone to giving up the long ball.. He did a fine job of keeping the Indians in the game..

Shame on you, Swish.. bottom of the tenth.. runner at 3rd and less than two outs.. and you can't even put the ball in play.. That's where the game should have ended..

I think it's time to give the Chiz and Gomes a day or two off.. they both seem to be pressing.. With the Bourn injury, that limits the bench some. If this team is going to make a push.. they're going to need those two guys producing.. The bad part about sitting Gomes is the Tribe loses one of the better catching arms in the bigs.. That throw to nail Elfsbury at 3B was superb.. Lonnie's catch and tag was pretty special too..

Onto tonight's finale.. A guarantee of a split was hoped for last night.. the Tribe will just have to earn it in Derek Jeter's last game on the North Coast (assuming the Yankees don't make the playoffs, again).. If you thought last night's irritating "clap clap clap clap clap DERKE JETER !!"(repeat ad nauseum) chant was bad.. the cadre of bandwagon & fair weather Yankee fans will be in full force tonight.. Nothing would make Tribe fans happier than to see these alleged fans be silenced...
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby homerawayfromhome » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:13 pm

Chisenhall hasn't hit the same since getting that day off in the midst of his hot streak. Could be he's coming back to earth, I think this is the kind of hitter he is, streaky but the potential to hit over .300 with avg. pop. I've always liked him. In fact, I said I thought he'd be better than Kipnis a few yrs ago. I still think I was wrong, but Chisenhall has had a very encouraging yr. He's made some adjustments, but so have the pitchers pitching to him. Overall, encouraging to see him finally healthy and putting up some good numbers.

I'm not feeling it with this team. I think they are what they are right now... Second / Third place team in this division. Things would have to change for them to be a serious contender. They need more pitching, but they may come in the form of McAllister or Salazar. They have a few weeks to prove they can make a serious contribution. Bourn's injuries, Swisher's ineffectiveness and Masterson's struggles have really hindered this team. Santana seems to shook his struggles somewhat, but Kipnis has disappointed too, really kind of one those yrs where it seems a lot goes wrong but the team is good struggle and almost hang in there.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby Prosecutor » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:18 am

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Shame on you, Swish.. bottom of the tenth.. runner at 3rd and less than two outs.. and you can't even put the ball in play.. That's where the game should have ended..

Yes, but to be fair, they brought in Kelly, who is their top strikeout pitcher. IIRC, he had something like 33 K's in 26 IP. He just overmatched Swisher.

I think it's time to give the Chiz and Gomes a day or two off.. they both seem to be pressing..

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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby Prosecutor » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:28 am

Just thinking out loud here, but what if Masterson needs knee surgery? This could be one of those times, guy needs it, but is trying to delay it. If he does need knee surgery, I think there could be chance he's back again next yr.


That would certainly muddy the waters, both for the Indians and for teams interested in signing him. Worst case scenario is he gets off the DL, tries to pitch, but the knee is still acting up and he continues to be ineffective so they shut him down and perform the surgery.

Assuming the surgery is successful and the knee checks out, I don't think it will affect his market value too much since it's not an arm isuse. But it might scare teams away from giving him a Homer Bailey type deal. Now that Tanaka has a partial ligament tear in his elbow and might need Tommy John, teams may be even more reluctant to give a huge, long-term deal to a starter, especially one who has never put two good years together.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:25 am

Well.. how about last night.. earning the split with the Yankees makes it a good series.. The last time Indians fans will see Derek Jeter in a NYY uni... he has a multi-hit game and an L.. The old man booted that hard smash by Brantley.. A younger version of Jeter.. makes that play.. or at least it seemed like he did every time he played against the Indians...

Pitching wise.. TJ House.. meh.. not his best outing.. not horrible.. The pen came in and hung all zeroes.. gave up nuthin.. Vinnie the P seems to be getting his swag back.. Hagadone..who was that guy impersonating him last night?..

Hitting.. Swish needs a lesson on going with the pitch.. maybe Jobu can give him some juju to permit him to go the other way / with the pitch once ina while... he wouldn't be seeing so many off speed away and hard inside pitches. Him and Santana can stop with the theatrics on inside pitches any time.. I'm loving what I'm seeing from C-Dicks. That guy has a gun for an arm..makes the routine plays.. and has good at bats EVERY TIME. I can't believe the Pirates let him go for nothing.. Dr Smooth.. and the top of the lineu.. 7 for 12 with four runs and five RBI's. Just another good night for all three guys..Droobs has really picked up his game coming into the ASB..

Special Note: Congrats to Roberto Perez.. two hits including a two run homer in his ML debut.. WOW.. just WOW !!

Onto the Pale Hose and the now front runner for AL ROY, Jose Abreu.. damn can that guy hit.. Before the first pitch in tonight's game.. the Indians should decide that he's the one player in their lineup that they CANNOT LET BEAT THEM..
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby Prosecutor » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:41 am

Dickerson has appeared in parts of seven ML seasons, compiling a total of 640 at-bats, or about one full season for an every day player. 86% of his at-bats have come against RHP, and his career line against them is .271/.345/.426/.771. Not bad at all, especially when you consider that he can run (29 SB against 5 CS) and plays a solid left field.

He's the latest in a line of platoon left-handed hitting outfielders, including Johnny Damon, Dave Delucci, and now David Murphy, but I like this guy so far. That .771 career OPS against right-handed pitching is nice, plus he can run, throw, and field. At age 32 he seems relaxed and comfortable out there.

Great pickup by Tribe management. These are the kind of under-the-radar moves that small market teams need to make every year in order to stay competitive, especially when their big free agent signings (in this case Michael Bourn) are injury prone and underperform.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby homerawayfromhome » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:34 am

Agreed, the Tribe needs to make shrewd moves to enhance their roster. They took advantage of Dickerson's opt out clause and obviously had an eye on him. He's only had 600+ at bats for a reason, but the Tribe has to utilize players like this (with limits) to remain competitive.

When it works it's a great idea, but it seems the Tribe often blocks talent with fringe big leaguers / AAAA players too. That being said, I'm not against filtering through some fringe players - you never know when you'll hit the on the right one. Timing and talent everything comes together and they find a serviceable player. Casey Blake comes to mind.

Other thoughts....

It's good to see he Tribe calling up some home grown talent this yr. Off the top of my head...
Jose Ramirez
Jesus Aguilar
TJ House
Kyle Crockett
Austin Adams
Tyler Holt
Roberto Perez

How things have changed for this org. a few yrs ago the system was depleted at the upper levels. I think it bodes well for the Tribe. None of these guys are superstars, but they are useful pieces for the Tribe moving forward. Plus, the best talent is at AA or below and this most recent draft has been really encouraging. No doubt trades, injuries and ineffectiveness will take a bite out of some of the talent but the Tribe is in a good position on the farm. Obviously, there is opportunity for more power and FOR arms, but there are solid pieces in this system moving forward.

It will be interesting with the trade deadline fast approaching, the Tribe has pieces to make some moves, but it has to come at the right price for them. Right now, I'm not convinced they don't end up being sellers, but at this point it's much too early for that. I think with an added arm or two (but who?) they could make a serious run at the division.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:15 pm

...and a middle of the series flat offense.. No punch or judy... just a moment in the season that makes up a dull game day..

Z-Mac pitched well enough to get a W.. The Indians continue to pitch to Jose Abreu..and he keeps hurting them. The strategy isn't working.. WALK HIM.. HBP him.. don't let him beat us..

While Austin Adams didn't have great numbers for this outing.. it's clear, he's got a ML arm and is a ML pitcher.. He's going to be a good one.. a very good one..

The top of the lineup was without a doubt.. running on fumes.. there was no spark.. Droobs screamed at his bat at least once in every at bat..it didn't change anything.. The bottom of the lineup had what would normally be a good outing.. without the spark.. no fire...

Onto the finale before the ASG.. Danks and Bauer.. the vet vs the kid.. there is a pretty good chance we're gonna get rained on before this game is over.. We'll see you there.. leaving now..
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby Prosecutor » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:50 am

On Austin Adams - more and more I'm coming to the conclusion that a nasty breaking ball is the key to successful pitching. Cody Allen has been untouchable his last 11 appearances, and he is throwing the breaking ball as often as the fastball. Last year he would come in throwing nothing but heat. This year he's consistently getting strike one on a changeup, and also getting punchouts on off-speed stuff.

Bauer had 10 K's yesterday, all swinging, and only one was on a fastball.

Axford is unhittable when he can get his slow curve over because hitters can't pull the trigger on it when they're locked in on a 95-mph fastball.

Adams throws very hard, but unless he can get his breaking ball over he won't be a quality reliever.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:46 am

Prosecutor wrote:On Austin Adams - more and more I'm coming to the conclusion that a nasty breaking ball is the key to successful pitching. Cody Allen has been untouchable his last 11 appearances, and he is throwing the breaking ball as often as the fastball. Last year he would come in throwing nothing but heat. This year he's consistently getting strike one on a changeup, and also getting punchouts on off-speed stuff.

Bauer had 10 K's yesterday, all swinging, and only one was on a fastball.

Axford is unhittable when he can get his slow curve over because hitters can't pull the trigger on it when they're locked in on a 95-mph fastball.

Adams throws very hard, but unless he can get his breaking ball over he won't be a quality reliever.


AA's breaking ball is not a ML quality pitch. If you haven't seen it.. it's more of a "hit me hard" hanging slurve than a breaking ball. If he can tighten his up just a wee bit.. like Cody has.. then he could be incredibly dangerous..perhaps even be considered as a starter.. His changeup, otoh, is a thing of beauty.. When he's commanding that.. OUCH!!!.. he can make any hitter, including ML hitters look foolish..
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:50 am

Ahhh... Good news.. no one was injured in the Mid-Season Classic (save for Adam Wainwright's reputation).. Grooving a couple of pitches to Jeter so he could drill one into the RF corner for a lead off double?.. really?..

Onto the second half and the start of a 10 game roadie..

Looking at the current pitching staff.. Kluber Bauer McAllister Tomlin (House/Masterson/Salazar) will be the key to progressing into contention.. or falling by the wayside. The Tribe can tread water/remain a .500 club with the current staff and performance.. but, in order to truly compete, Masterson & Salazar need to really step up their games... The pen, for the most part, has been fine.. Cody Allen impressive performance as the closer. The rest of the pen has seen a group of five settle into roles that work. Crockett, Shaw, Atchison, Ax & Scrabble have all proven to be adequate to more than adequate bullpen performers. The two remaining spots in the pen (8 man pen is the way Tito likes it) has been comprised of a list of hurlers making headway/introducing/failing/coming back. Of the four or five names remaining in this role, Carlos Carrasco has pretty much secured his spot as a long man/middle reliever. It's a pretty good use of his talent for now. I still believe he'll become a starter at some point, just not now. The remain names, Vinnie, Hagadone, Austin Adams & CC Lee are going to have their moments..

The Hitters.. There are three major issues with the Indians offense. They are named Carlos Santana, Nick Swisher and bench:

Carlos Santana has a very good OBP.. but doesn't seem to be able to get out of his own way, otherwise. Just recently, it appears as if he is starting to come out of what ever this season is for him.. Since the Detroit series in June (covering 21 games), he's been credited with a hit in fourteen, including four multi-hit games. He's still got a LONG way to go... His presence & performance in the lineup will go a LONG way in determining where this team will eventually end up..

Nick Swisher: To state it mildly, Bro-Hio Blows.. If not for an interesting July, Swish would be the worst player being paid the most on a sub five hundred team. His defense, his offense and his act are getting old. Without something more than an interesting half month, this is a guy who should be sitting..

The Bench.. Mike Aviles and Ryan Raburn comprise the "Bench".. Aviles is right where you'd want him to be. He's hitting when given the chance to play & he's fielding where ever he's placed.. He is an excellent bench player for this club. Ryan Raburn, on the other hand, has been an unmitigated disaster. He hasn't done ANYTHING all season to earn his spot on the roster. That has to change for this club to compete.

David Murphy is fast approaching the "major issues" level. Since the Texas series in June where he reached his high water mark for the season, Murph has been decent in clutch situations, but, otherwise, dreadful. After the Texas series, he's gone 12 for 88, a buck thirty six. Not going to remain a starter with that kind of performance. It would not be a surprise to see Murph's playing time diminish in the second half if C-Dicks continues to perform.

The first ten games of the second half, all on the road, are against the Tigers (3), the Twins (3) and the Royals (4). This small segment of the season could go a long way in determining which direction the Indians go at the trading deadline. The Indians start the second half 3 1/2 games out of the wild card. If the Indians can gain a split of this 10 game roadie, they'll be in it to the end.. If not.. then, we'll see...
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby Prosecutor » Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:00 am

Yeah, these next 10 games will be huge. If they go 3-7 and Masterson is ineffective in his next start, it will be time to start shopping Asdrubal, Murphy, maybe even guys like Shaw and Atchison.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby Prosecutor » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:46 am

So far, so good as the Tribe starts off 4-2 including a 3-1 series win over the Tigers.

The Tuesday night win over Minny was huge after losing the finale at Detroit and the opener at Minny. That was kind of a giveaway game with House on the mound, Brantley on the bench, and Aviles starting in center field. The injury to Cabrera looks like it might be significant. He's listed as day-to-day, but it can take a while for those back spasms to subside. I don't think we lose much with Aviles at short, though.

Salazar was good enough, limiting the Twins to 1 run over 5 innings. That Twins lineup sure looks a lot less formidable without Mauer and Morneau, who anchored it for years. Gotta figure out what to do with Dozier, though.

Once Salazar was able to get his breaking ball over he was fine. He showed a lot of composure getting out of a bases-loaded, one-out jam in the 2nd after walking three straight. He's still throwing too many pitches, but you can see the potential which could be just around the corner.

What was really encouraging for the second half was that some guys who were awful in the first half are finally starting to emerge. Swisher got three hits batting left-handed; two up the middle and a double over the left fielder's head. When Swish waits on the ball and doesn't try to pull everything he's a much better hitter. He's hitting .290 with 15 RBI's in July. Finally!

Santana had a horrible first two months but is coming on strong. He destroyed Twins' pitching last night with a long HR and two doubles that were smoked.

Yan Gomes has a seven-game hit streak where he's batting over .500. He's hitting .333 for the month.

Chris Dickerson has been a great no-cost pickup, hitting .375/1.022 so far and he's thrown out two guys on the bases. The injury to Bourn has not hurt the team at all; in fact, they're better with Dickerson in the lineup as he's been outplaying Bourn.

On a rare night when Brantley and Chisenhall combined to go 0-for-8, the Indians needed some other guys to step up and they did. David Murphy only went 1-for-5, but as usual his hit came at a key time as it drove in two runs to put the Tribe up early.

The Tribe's record when scoring 5 for more runs is something ridiculous like 36-6. If Santana and Swisher get going, and it appears they have, this team will have a nice, balanced lineup with no glaring weaknesses and we could have an interesting second half and keep the wild card pressure on Seattle. Just need Masterson to get healthy.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:32 am

Danny Salazar... getting ahead with his fastball.. mixing in an off speed slider or change.. zooms through the first inning, giving up one hit...on a fastball.. after throwing two others.. both up and out of the zone..

Second inning. strikeout to start the inning.. okay.. looks good.. then, a breaking ball for a strike. a fastball for a ball.. and it begins... fastball... fastball... fastball... all up.. walk.. fastball... fastball... fastball... fastball... all up, walk.. fastball... fastball... fastball... fastball two up, two down.. Then two strike outs.. using his slider/change. IDK what Calloway is doing tonight.. but if it isn't calling the pitches and making damn sure Salazar throws what's being called by the bench.. send his sorry ***** back to the minor where he can ride the bus and think about how great it was in the show... This stubborn reliance on one pitch is gonna be the end of him..

Rant over.. Onto the third inning..

Good finish to the game.. This one had the look of the usual Indians/Twins games.. a tough one run affair. The bottom half of the order just crushed it.. making this a late coming laugher..

The Salazar start was so similar to his other starts.. He seems to be enamored of his fastball.. and / or he has zero confidence in any of his other pitches.. WHY NOT??.. in the minors, a mid to upper 90's fastball, thrown up would get lots of outs.. Salazar threw over 90 pitches to get into the sixth inning.. He will need to be guided more closely and learn to be much more efficient.. If not, he'll be a five and fly kind of starter. Teams will know this and exploit this..

The bottom of the order was PHENOMENAL!!.. what a night for Santana, Swisher and Gomes.. C-Dicks added on some and the rest is history.. Onto the rubber game of the series this afternoon. Anthony Swarzak and Trevor Bauer face off at 1.. The Indians are now 4-2 on this eleven game post ASB road trip. A "W" today, almost assures the Tribe of a winning trip.. We shall see...
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:39 pm

Great news...

The Indians received a competitive balance lottery pick.. the sixth. If history repeats, that should come in somewhere around pick number 35 or so, depending on QO's FA's signed, etc.. So, the next June Rule IV draft will see the Indians with at least to picks in the top forty...
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby Prosecutor » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:41 am

In response to your rant, GS, it seems like it takes a few innings for some starting pitchers to get into their rhythm and get all their pitches working. I also noticed this with Bauer and McAllister - they start off throwing 90% fastballs and as the game goes along they start mixing in more and more changeups and sliders. When they try throwing the breaking stuff in the first couple of innings they can't find the plate.

I can't remember McAllister ever throwing a breaking ball in the first inning.

But yeah, I was frustrated watching Salazar throw 20 straight fastballs, knowing the hitters were sitting on it and usually fouling off the strikes and taking the balls. It makes for a slow game and Salazar having to throw 20-25 pitches to get through every inning, which limits him to being a 5-inning starter.

I'd like to see him start trusting him to mix his pitches right from the start and see how it goes. Maybe he just doesn't think he can get the breaking stuff over until he's deeper into the game. But he has to find a way to get batters out with fewer pitches.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:27 am

...SMH...

Embarassing = Ryan Raburn.. IDK.. this is just bad: http://giant.gfycat.com/ThinValidKronosaurus.gif

Kluber deserved better..

Nice come back to plate a run, making extra innings possible..

Onto game two... the Tribe has evened their W/L for this 11 game roadie, post ASB... at 4-4, not bad, but this game is one they needed to have..
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby homerawayfromhome » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:33 am

Kluber with a big time performance last night, too bad the offense didn't pick him up.

Here's a interesting article re: Kluber from Grantland....
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/ddAgB?utm_ ... teamstream
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby Prosecutor » Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:34 am

Road trip over, and they at least salvaged a win to avoid being swept by the Royals. The play that Raburn botched in Game 1 was huge. All he had to do was pick up the damn ball and lob it in and the Tribe splits the series. The ballboy would have made a better play on that ball.

That, and Francona letting Hagadone throw a fastball to Butler late in a tie game with a runner on. Two colossal blunders.

With the way Butler is swinging the bat I'm not sure if bringing in a right-hander would have mattered. He took Axford deep the night before. But letting him face the worst lefty in your pen in that situation was insane.

I will be extremely surprised if Hagadone faces another right-handed hitter with the game in doubt the remainder of the year.

The sad part is that Santana probably had the best four-game series he'll ever have in his entire career (5 HR's, a couple of doubles and singles, and some walks) and the Tribe only won 1 of 4.

The offense, defense, and pitching really let the Indians down.

On the bright side, Swisher broke out of an 0-for-21 slump and actually got a hit batting right-handed. However, it was a bloop to the opposite field. During his slump he struck out eight times and never hit the ball hard once that I recall.

Raburn crushed a home run - his 3rd of the season. Brantley had two hits and a line drive sac fly to hopefully end a mini-slump. Asdrubal is back and got two hits. But let's not get carried away. The Royals started Bruce Chen. Raburn's homer came on Chen's 111th pitch. But maybe it will get him going - or not.

Santana should be the AL Player of the Week hands down.

Now they get a day off followed by a home stand. They're 3.5 games out of the second wild card spot, but they need to climb over three teams to get there. I don't know if they have the juice. Just too many players who aren't performing - Kipnis, Swisher, Raburn, McAllister, Tomlin, and above all, Masterson. Chisenhall has cooled off and hasn't been a factor since early June. Dickerson provided a spark but he's also regressing to the mean. Bourn should be back soon but I don't think he improves the offense or defense.

Tomorrow's game with Masterson starting will be huge. If he can find a way to pitch effectively despite the knee problem, we have a shot, epsecially if we can get Chisenhall going again. Otherwise I think we're just going to churn away at .500 the rest of the year.

I wonder how long Tito is going to stick with Swisher and Raburn. I like what Jose Ramirez is doing. I could see playing him at either short or second every day and letting either Kip or Asdrubal DH. It would improve the defense while putting JRam's bat in the lineup in place of Swisher's.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:40 am

musings at the end of the 11 game roadie...

Before departing, the thought was, go .500 on the roadie and the Tribe would remain in the hunt.. 5 - 6 is pretty close...but..

After taking three of the first four IN De-toilet, much more was expected.. typical Indians/Twins games followed with both teams on the verge of losing or winning all three. At the end of the series, the Twins took the rubber match.. In KC, 14 innings following what has been called the worst defensive play of the year and nothing will be close let the Royals score the one run they needed to get to extra innings.. John the Ax-man gave it up to Billy Butler who, like Miguel Cabrera, killed the Indians during this (and other games) roadie.

Danny Salazar is proving that he's a Major League pitcher.. Trevor Bauer is proving he's a major league pitcher. Corey Kluber has proven he's a major league pitcher. All three of these guys are MOR to not quite FOR types SP's going forward. McAllister and House and Masterson and Tomlin.. are just not quite there..not now, anyway..

The emergence of Carlos Santana is frightening to the rest of the AL Central opponents. When he's on, he can carry this team all by himself. Add in Dr Smoooth and the 1 through 9 approach (more consistency is obviously needed).. and this team can contend..

The pen.. meh.. good group..could be a LOT worse, but not bad..

By Thursday's deadline, it would not be a huge surprise to see at least one trade made.. no less than one trade.

Thoughts?....
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby Prosecutor » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:28 am

I was wrong, Masterson isn't due to start until Friday.

This 8-game home stand is crucial. The Tribe will face some good pitching, including King Felix and Yu Darvish. The good news is that the opponent's scheduled starting pitchers for the next 11 games are ALL right-handers.

With eight straight home games against right-handed starters, the Tribe absolutely needs to make a move. 5-3 is the bare minimum, which puts a lot of pressure on them since beating Hernandez and Darvish will be very tough. Kluber against Hernandez on Weds will be something to watch.

Brantley had two hits and a line drive sac fly yesterday so it appears his mini-slump is over. Santana is scorching hot. Is Chisenhall injured?

Kipnis is getting two days off so hopefully he'll be able to contribute. Asdrubal is back and had two hits yesterday.

We'll know a lot more after these next eight games.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:01 am

Well...

McAllister stunk it up again.. He took his FB only repertoire into the fourth inning before Tito came and got him.. He was in and out of the first inning in a nanosecond. After that & FB after FB.the Mr's had tallied 4 runs and were continuing to threaten. It wasn't until he was in the third inning did he start to use his change up.. The batters got oh so comfortable crowding the plate as FB and FB would cross over the plate, up around thigh high.. Crush and Crushed would describe his outing.

As I've already stated several times.. perhaps it's time to look at Carlos Carrasco in a starting role again?..

thoughts...?
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby Edible14 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:44 pm

Carrasco has had 44 major league starts. That's basically a season and a half. That's way more run than most pitchers get, given how he's handled those opportunities. He's having success as a reliever, they should be giving him more of a role there and see how he takes on the additional responsibility. He doesn't have the secondary stuff to get guys out the second and third time through the lineup. He's right where he should be.

McAllister is frustrating right now, I'd agree. I was thinking that Masterson might have arguably not been one of our top 5 pitchers at the moment, but I don't think that's true with the way Zach has been struggling.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:52 pm

Edible14 wrote:Carrasco has had 44 major league starts. That's basically a season and a half. That's way more run than most pitchers get, given how he's handled those opportunities. He's having success as a reliever, they should be giving him more of a role there and see how he takes on the additional responsibility. He doesn't have the secondary stuff to get guys out the second and third time through the lineup. He's right where he should be.

McAllister is frustrating right now, I'd agree. I was thinking that Masterson might have arguably not been one of our top 5 pitchers at the moment, but I don't think that's true with the way Zach has been struggling.


44 starts spread out over five different seasons during a six year time frame including 18 months off for surgery.. "More run than most" over a six year period of time is inaccurate... He's been terrifically effective out of the pen and has been able to go up to three innings in an outing this year.. His stuff has been very good.. he's physically and mentally vastly more mature than he was when he made more than one fourth all his starts as a ML'er before the age of 23..

It's Tomlin, House or possibly Carrasco now that McAllister has been place on procedural waivers...
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby Prosecutor » Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:00 am

Are they going to have McAllister pitch in Columbus for a while or will he be back in time for his next start?

He needs to pitch in AAA and work on his breaking stuff. It's clear he can't be successful in the bigs throwing 70% fastballs up in the zone.

Tito was interviewed and mentioned that in his first three starts this year he was keeping the ball down and was very successful. So it looks like a mechanical thing.

He also seems to have no confidence in his breaking pitches.

The problem with sending him down like they did with Salazar earlier is that we have no one to take his spot in the rotation now that Masterson has been dealt, unless they give Carrasco another shot. I'd like to see them do that. What do we have to lose? If he sucks just put him back in the bullpen. It's only one game.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby A.Zajac » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:12 pm

After this week, the Indians will have four off days coming up (two in the same week), so you might be able to get creative with the rotation...

Best options after Kluber, IMO.... Bauer, Salazar, House, Tomlin, ZMac... in that order.
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Re: Official 2014 Cleveland Indians Season Thread

Postby martyinnewyork » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:32 pm

Geez, Tyler Cloyd may even be ahead of ZMac in the pecking order...
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