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[GeronimoSon]

I read that article too, they've added Ronny Cedeno and Randy Choate. Two minor moves to make the team better. Losing Carpenter hurt but truth be told they have depth to offset it. Losing others like say, Westbrook or Garcia to injury would really hurt, and young stud SP Tyrell Jenkins ended last season with a sore shoulder.

Fwiw, John Mo has been known to make team changing trades during the season (Colby Rasmaus). It's pretty much a wait and see approach, yes there's a gamble involved but at this point it's 50/50 odds.

The Cards are an intriguing team, one I've followed from a distance after living outside STL for a little while. They have great fans and were on the door step to the WS last yr they've changed little and could need just a nudge to put them in the WS. Of course it's way early but they certainly have a chance.

the thing is with Carpenter probably done you can more then likley forget Miller comming back in a deal, and if Millers not comming back not sure i do a deal

There are some who think Trevor Rosenthal will be the better pitcher. It would take 3 rock solid guys at least or one top prospect like Miller, Rosenthal or even Oscar Tavares with two other solid pieces.

There was at one point speculation / rumors or whatever that the Tribe and Cards talked Lance Lynn, Matt Carpenter and Matt Adams for ACab. I would have done that deal. I really like Lynn and Carpenter both would be solid pieces, IMO. Lynn as a very good 3, and Carpenter as a super UTL guy 3b, 1b, OF, DH.

I think all this is worthless, at this point. Just a waste of time. Frankly, I'm ready for the season to get going, and let all these things play out....and they will, one way or another.

St Louis views both Shelby Miller and Trevor Rosenthal as a top of the rotation SP's & as close to untouchable as a player gets. It would be doubtful if the Cardinals would surrender either for anyone at this point in time as there are some health issues with returning starters for the 2013 season. The two biggest question marks surrounding the Cardinals starting staff will be Jaime Garcia and Jake Westbrook. If both prove they are healthy in spring training will be the only way the Cardinals may consider making a trade. w/r to Oscar Taveras, the same could be said about the Cardinals and their opinion about the need to keep Oscar Taveras. With Carlos Beltran in the twilight of his great career & it being his contract walk year, Oscar Taveras is the heir apparent for him That leaves the situation in flux based upon two issues...

Issue # 1: SP Staff Health: If both Jaime Garcia & Jake Westbrook prove to be healthy, then any one or two of Lance Lynn, Joe Kelly and or Michael Wacha could be part of a trade. Neither Rosey or Shelby will be traded by the Cardinals.

Issue # 2: Middle Infield Fail: If Rafael Furcal can't go & Matt Carpenter proves as a 2B that he makes a decent corner player, then the cards would need to make some kind of move.

So, that leaves a trade of Asdrubal Cabrera to the Cardinals in jeopardy. If the Cardinals decided they needed Asdrubal and offered the Indians any three of the following: Lancy Lynn, Joe Kelly, Michael Wacha, Matt Adams and Matt Carpenter, the Indians would be NUTS not to make that deal. Of course, if it was just Asdrubal, it would only be two of the five listed and both Lance Lynn and Matt Carpenter would be removed. .. To make it three of the five, the Indians would be required to add Lou Marson as a sweetener...

In this highly improbable scenario, I would be thrilled with the three musketeers being Wacha, Lynn and Carpenter...

[homerawayfromhome]

I read that article too, they've added Ronny Cedeno and Randy Choate. Two minor moves to make the team better. Losing Carpenter hurt but truth be told they have depth to offset it. Losing others like say, Westbrook or Garcia to injury would really hurt, and young stud SP Tyrell Jenkins ended last season with a sore shoulder.

Fwiw, John Mo has been known to make team changing trades during the season (Colby Rasmaus). It's pretty much a wait and see approach, yes there's a gamble involved but at this point it's 50/50 odds.

The Cards are an intriguing team, one I've followed from a distance after living outside STL for a little while. They have great fans and were on the door step to the WS last yr they've changed little and could need just a nudge to put them in the WS. Of course it's way early but they certainly have a chance.

the thing is with Carpenter probably done you can more then likley forget Miller comming back in a deal, and if Millers not comming back not sure i do a deal

There are some who think Trevor Rosenthal will be the better pitcher. It would take 3 rock solid guys at least or one top prospect like Miller, Rosenthal or even Oscar Tavares with two other solid pieces.

There was at one point speculation / rumors or whatever that the Tribe and Cards talked Lance Lynn, Matt Carpenter and Matt Adams for ACab. I would have done that deal. I really like Lynn and Carpenter both would be solid pieces, IMO. Lynn as a very good 3, and Carpenter as a super UTL guy 3b, 1b, OF, DH.

I think all this is worthless, at this point. Just a waste of time. Frankly, I'm ready for the season to get going, and let all these things play out....and they will, one way or another.

St Louis views both Shelby Miller and Trevor Rosenthal as a top of the rotation SP's & as close to untouchable as a player gets. It would be doubtful if the Cardinals would surrender either for anyone at this point in time as there are some health issues with returning starters for the 2013 season. The two biggest question marks surrounding the Cardinals starting staff will be Jaime Garcia and Jake Westbrook. If both prove they are healthy in spring training will be the only way the Cardinals may consider making a trade. w/r to Oscar Taveras, the same could be said about the Cardinals and their opinion about the need to keep Oscar Taveras. With Carlos Beltran in the twilight of his great career & it being his contract walk year, Oscar Taveras is the heir apparent for him That leaves the situation in flux based upon two issues...

Issue # 1: SP Staff Health: If both Jaime Garcia & Jake Westbrook prove to be healthy, then any one or two of Lance Lynn, Joe Kelly and or Michael Wacha could be part of a trade. Neither Rosey or Shelby will be traded by the Cardinals.

Issue # 2: Middle Infield Fail: If Rafael Furcal can't go & Matt Carpenter proves as a 2B that he makes a decent corner player, then the cards would need to make some kind of move.

So, that leaves a trade of Asdrubal Cabrera to the Cardinals in jeopardy. If the Cardinals decided they needed Asdrubal and offered the Indians any three of the following: Lancy Lynn, Joe Kelly, Michael Wacha, Matt Adams and Matt Carpenter, the Indians would be NUTS not to make that deal. Of course, if it was just Asdrubal, it would only be two of the five listed and both Lance Lynn and Matt Carpenter would be removed. .. To make it three of the five, the Indians would be required to add Lou Marson as a sweetener...

In this highly improbable scenario, I would be thrilled with the three musketeers being Wacha, Lynn and Carpenter...

If you offered 3 of those 5 it's a done deal. I think Adams (being the worst of those 5) plus any other two of four would get a deal done. Btw, Marson is the straw that stirs the drink, not a sweetener...

Seriously though, he has some value as a backup / defensive replacement. Obviously, he's a toss in type and might be a spot filler for someone, and be willing to say there's a good chance he's gone next yr unless he's a rock behind the plate this yr, even then it would seem to improve his minimal value.

On to another thought, not related but you never know...mlbtraderumors had a post up this morning that said something to the effect that the Tribe and Ryan Theriot were still talking, as are the Rangers. Theriot is waiting for the right landing spot / where he can get PT.

[SwisherBuck11]

i still wouldn't send A-Cab without getting a top pitching spec in return, i also wouldn't even deal him till next off season when Lindor should be ready to see the majors after getting 1 more year of seasoning, his bat might not be ready but we wont need him for his bat after the moves we've made this off-season although if we got Theroit as a stop gap it could make it easier to deal A-Cab but i still wouldn't be comfortable and who knows Paulino may steal the spotlight and make the big league club ahead of Lindor if his offense continues to play such a huge role

[homerawayfromhome]

i still wouldn't send A-Cab without getting a top pitching spec in return, i also wouldn't even deal him till next off season when Lindor should be ready to see the majors after getting 1 more year of seasoning, his bat might not be ready but we wont need him for his bat after the moves we've made this off-season although if we got Theroit as a stop gap it could make it easier to deal A-Cab but i still wouldn't be comfortable and who knows Paulino may steal the spotlight and make the big league club ahead of Lindor if his offense continues to play such a huge role

I think ACabs value will maintain until the deadline, at which point it could be its highest. I'm looking for a great season for ACab barring injury, I think we see an AS performance from a number of Indians this yr 2 to 4.

Here's my projections for ACab this yr...

150+ gms / .280 BA / 18 hrs / 35 dbls / 18 sb.

At some point, the Tribe will have to look toward next yrs budget, they could hold off until next yr if they do well this season but could be forced to make some moves at that point or sooner in effort to better the team long term and maintain flexibility.

[GoTribe028]

...Cardinals | Rafael Furcal still feeling pain Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:13:12 -0800: St. Louis Cardinals SS Rafael Furcal (elbow) is still feeling pain in his right elbow, and he's been told to refrain from swinging left-handed or throwing with much effort. "It still hurts," Furcal said of his elbow. Asked the degree to which it hurt, Furcal answered, "A lot." Furcal hasn't had a cortisone to deal with a bone spur in his elbow and said that his elbow was "a little tight" Thursday, Feb. 21. He continues to participate in fielding drills, but he doesn't throw across the field at max effort. The team won't have him in the lineup for the spring opener or the first few games, and he'll likely be the designated hitter when he does play. St. Louis still believes he'll be ready for opening day...

Not good news for the Cardinals...

Here we go again. "WE CAN GET THIS GUY, DEMAND THIS GUY, ADD IN SOME TRASH TO BALANCE THE RETURN"

Okay.. I give up. where are we going? What guy are we getting?.. what trash?.. who said it had to balance?...oh, wait a second.. you have a personal issue with the subject matter and want to cleverly post an attitude ridden response. pssst.. don't worry, your secret is safe.. RME....

Clever? Not really, I just flat out called bullshit to the post. There's only 20+ pages of discussion with you and others about WHEN the Cardinals trade for Asdrubal Cabrera about what kind of monster return the Indians will get. My favorite was always the "if St Louis needs a little sweetener for the deal, just give them Lou Marson!"

But yeah...I have a personal issue with the subject of dealing Cabrera...something that WILL happen in 2013...that most of us believed will happen in 2012....I just cant accept what I can't control.

What makes you think the Indians are going to lower their stance on Acabs value? they wanted 3 top level guys from Philly you think its going to lower just because its St. Louis especially when we dont NEED to move him? LOL

Where the crap did I say anything about the Indians lowering their stance with Cabrera's value?

Some people on this board are just maddingly stupid sometimes.

[GoTribe028]

i still wouldn't send A-Cab without getting a top pitching spec in return, i also wouldn't even deal him till next off season when Lindor should be ready to see the majors after getting 1 more year of seasoning, his bat might not be ready but we wont need him for his bat after the moves we've made this off-season although if we got Theroit as a stop gap it could make it easier to deal A-Cab but i still wouldn't be comfortable and who knows Paulino may steal the spotlight and make the big league club ahead of Lindor if his offense continues to play such a huge role

Yeah Lindor has a long ass way to go before he's close to being ready for Cleveland.

And I'm pretty certain the Indians just gave Mike Aviles a 2 year deal with an option to be that stop gap. What is with the sudden love for Ryan Theriot?

[SwisherBuck11]

...Cardinals | Rafael Furcal still feeling pain Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:13:12 -0800: St. Louis Cardinals SS Rafael Furcal (elbow) is still feeling pain in his right elbow, and he's been told to refrain from swinging left-handed or throwing with much effort. "It still hurts," Furcal said of his elbow. Asked the degree to which it hurt, Furcal answered, "A lot." Furcal hasn't had a cortisone to deal with a bone spur in his elbow and said that his elbow was "a little tight" Thursday, Feb. 21. He continues to participate in fielding drills, but he doesn't throw across the field at max effort. The team won't have him in the lineup for the spring opener or the first few games, and he'll likely be the designated hitter when he does play. St. Louis still believes he'll be ready for opening day...

Not good news for the Cardinals...

Here we go again. "WE CAN GET THIS GUY, DEMAND THIS GUY, ADD IN SOME TRASH TO BALANCE THE RETURN"

Okay.. I give up. where are we going? What guy are we getting?.. what trash?.. who said it had to balance?...oh, wait a second.. you have a personal issue with the subject matter and want to cleverly post an attitude ridden response. pssst.. don't worry, your secret is safe.. RME....

Clever? Not really, I just flat out called bullshit to the post. There's only 20+ pages of discussion with you and others about WHEN the Cardinals trade for Asdrubal Cabrera about what kind of monster return the Indians will get. My favorite was always the "if St Louis needs a little sweetener for the deal, just give them Lou Marson!"

But yeah...I have a personal issue with the subject of dealing Cabrera...something that WILL happen in 2013...that most of us believed will happen in 2012....I just cant accept what I can't control.

What makes you think the Indians are going to lower their stance on Acabs value? they wanted 3 top level guys from Philly you think its going to lower just because its St. Louis especially when we dont NEED to move him? LOL

Where the crap did I say anything about the Indians lowering their stance with Cabrera's value?

Some people on this board are just maddingly stupid sometimes.

"Clever? Not really, I just flat out called bullshit to the post. There's only 20+ pages of discussion with you and others about WHEN the Cardinals trade for Asdrubal Cabrera about what kind of monster return the Indians will get. My favorite was always the "if St Louis needs a little sweetener for the deal, just give them Lou Marson!""


and this guy thinks he can call others stupid yet he's not even intelligent to look back through his own post

[SwisherBuck11]

i still wouldn't send A-Cab without getting a top pitching spec in return, i also wouldn't even deal him till next off season when Lindor should be ready to see the majors after getting 1 more year of seasoning, his bat might not be ready but we wont need him for his bat after the moves we've made this off-season although if we got Theroit as a stop gap it could make it easier to deal A-Cab but i still wouldn't be comfortable and who knows Paulino may steal the spotlight and make the big league club ahead of Lindor if his offense continues to play such a huge role

Yeah Lindor has a long ass way to go before he's close to being ready for Cleveland.

And I'm pretty certain the Indians just gave Mike Aviles a 2 year deal with an option to be that stop gap. What is with the sudden love for Ryan Theriot?

LOL 100% incorrect, Lindor is very very close to MLB Ready but keep up the trolling effort, might pay off some day but i doubt it and how do you call yourself a fan and dont follow the news on the team? its been reported the indians have been one of the more active teams for Theroit

[homerawayfromhome]

It's been reported for 3/4 wks the Tribe was talking to Theriot. He's a useful bench vet. that's it, no guarantee he'd make the club, but would have a real chance, IMO.

If for some reason the Tribe really wants another UTL piece for the bench Justin Turner of the Mets is a name that was mentioned earlier in the wk as potentially available...I would simply suggest that EZ Carrera to the Mets might be reasonable.

As a proponent of trading both Perez and ACab this offseason...

At this point it's pretty much useless dribble, I don't see anything to think they'd move them (ACab / Perez) before the season begins. Although, I think it's reasonable they make a minor move or two this spring.

[GeronimoSon]

It's been reported for 3/4 wks the Tribe was talking to Theriot. He's a useful bench vet. that's it, no guarantee he'd make the club, but would have a real chance, IMO.

If for some reason the Tribe really wants another UTL piece for the bench Justin Turner of the Mets is a name that was mentioned earlier in the wk as potentially available...I would simply suggest that EZ Carrera to the Mets might be reasonable.

As a proponent of trading both Perez and ACab this offseason...

At this point it's pretty much useless dribble, I don't see anything to think they'd move them (ACab / Perez) before the season begins. Although, I think it's reasonable they make a minor move or two this spring.

Justin Turner might be a decent pickup.. do you know if he has any options left?..

As far as The-RIOT goes, he seems to be in a pretty good spot.. He's a capable middle infielder with ML experience.. but not really a bona fide every day starter by reputation. If he plays his "cards" right, he'll stay uncommitted to a team until a team absolutely needs someone who can step in and start, right away.. That's probably what he's waiting for.. the exact right opportunity.. In doing so, he's risking nothing.. He can no doubt hook on with someone for a minor league gig whenever he wants..

Swishbuck: IDK about Lindor being ML ready by the 2014 season. It would be a pretty good stretch to see him make it to Akron before the year's over. From there it's a pretty good bet that he could bypass a level and make his ML debut.. That would be sometime toward the end of the 2014 season.. The classic "Cuppa Coffee" call up type dealiebob. But it's nice to believe that Lindor is progressing rapidly toward a ML career. He's a special player. He, along with Dorsyss Paulino, who is a year behind him, are moving along rapidly through the Indians system. Right now, with his advanced hitting ability, Dorsyss is clearly making strides.. As far Mr Badass028 goes, he's gonna see the cup as half full.. Is he a fan?. Yes.. He'd be the guy in Major League II screaming "Bring in the Vile Thing!"

[SwisherBuck11]

From people i've talked to (cant say who, but i do work for one of our minor league teams in a way) Lindor and NaQuin are going to be fast tracked, at the end of last season NaQuin was planned to start in columbus this year if he didnt start with the Tribe opening weekend but then the off-season moves happend.

[homerawayfromhome]

Justin Turner is not out of options.

I mentioned him previously, this offseason as a potential UTL type in a minor trade here's a look at his numbers from 2012...
http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ju01.shtml

Turner played 10 or more games at every INF spot last yr. Turner bats RH fwiw.

Here's a link to the out of options players...
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/02/o ... -2013.html

Most of us fans on here may know this but only Huff and Carrera represent members of the Tribe.

[SwisherBuck11]

Dodgers Gauging Interest In Chris Capuano

By Zach Links [February 23 at 11:57am CST]

They Dodgers have called teams to gauge the interest in left-hander Chris Capuano, sources told Troy Renck of the Denver Post. The Rockies, who have an obvious need for rotation help, are among those teams.

It makes sense that the Dodgers would actively shop Capuano as they have a surplus of pitching after signing free agents Zack Greinke and Hyun-Jin Ryu. Renck doesn't see Capuano as a fit for the Rockies, however, given the interest he will draw and the reluctance of both teams to trade within the division. The veteran will earn $6MM in 2013, meaning that the Rockies would have to also unload salary in a deal for him.

For his part, the 34-year-old says that he hasn't asked out even though he seems likely to be squeezed out of the rotation. Capuano is open to moving to the bullpen if he is asked, but fellow veteran Aaron Harang doesn't seem interested in becoming a reliever

[homerawayfromhome]

The Tribe was rumored to have interest in Capuano (and Dee Gordon) wks ago. One could assume that the Tribe would still have interest in Capuano. Particularly if no one really steps forward for the 5th spot. The sheer numbers should be in favor of one or two guys really pressing for the last spot or two in the rotation.

[SwisherBuck11]

Granderson out at least 10 weeks with Broken arm

[GeronimoSon]

Granderson out at least 10 weeks with Broken arm

yeah.. boo hoo...

I'm sure the same sentiment is being felt in Tampa, Toronto, Baltimore, but probably not Bahs-Tin...

[GoTribe028]

Granderson out at least 10 weeks with Broken arm

yeah.. boo hoo...

I'm sure the same sentiment is being felt in Tampa, Toronto, Baltimore, but probably not Bahs-Tin...

Speaking of those Yanks...found this interesting from the Twitter

@Indians: Our home opener sold out in 6 MINUTES! Thanks for your support, Tribe fans!

Of course it's opening day, and it's against the Yankees, but it's good to see there is excitment, and for at least one day, the "Dolanz cheep" peeps will hold up to their end by going to a game.

[TheWord]

From people i've talked to (cant say who, but i do work for one of our minor league teams in a way) Lindor and NaQuin are going to be fast tracked, at the end of last season NaQuin was planned to start in columbus this year if he didnt start with the Tribe opening weekend but then the off-season moves happend.

[Hermie13]

I have been one of Lindor's biggest fans since before we drafted him and still am...but yeah, being ready in 2014 is pretty optimistic. I could see maybe a late call up in August or September of 2014 if he really starts hitting but can't rush the kid too much.

[BrianM]

From people i've talked to (cant say who, but i do work for one of our minor league teams in a way) Lindor and NaQuin are going to be fast tracked, at the end of last season NaQuin was planned to start in columbus this year if he didnt start with the Tribe opening weekend but then the off-season moves happend.

Do you drive players from Columbus to Cleveland if they get called up?

This is completely off topic post but interesting...I have a buddy whose little brother drives Toledo players to Detroit when they get called up. I was kind of shocked when the Marlins were able to land Jacob Turner in exchange for Anibal (Anibal's value was pretty low at the time of the trade). Randomly, I was talking to my buddy's brother and he mentioned how much he hated Jacob Turner and how every guy he drove to Detroit would mention how much everybody in the clubhouse hated Jacob Turner. He was only let go because the organization could not stand him apparently.

I guess the point of the story is there could always be reasons for thing happening that are beyond our knowledge.

Way off topic, I know.

[Rocky55]

From people i've talked to (cant say who, but i do work for one of our minor league teams in a way) Lindor and NaQuin are going to be fast tracked, at the end of last season NaQuin was planned to start in columbus this year if he didnt start with the Tribe opening weekend but then the off-season moves happend.

Do you drive players from Columbus to Cleveland if they get called up?

This is completely off topic post but interesting...I have a buddy whose little brother drives Toledo players to Detroit when they get called up. I was kind of shocked when the Marlins were able to land Jacob Turner in exchange for Anibal (Anibal's value was pretty low at the time of the trade). Randomly, I was talking to my buddy's brother and he mentioned how much he hated Jacob Turner and how every guy he drove to Detroit would mention how much everybody in the clubhouse hated Jacob Turner. He was only let go because the organization could not stand him apparently.

I guess the point of the story is there could always be reasons for thing happening that are beyond our knowledge.

Way off topic, I know.

Why would the tigers trade an asshole? detroit is still in michigan, isn't it?

[GeronimoSon]

..another one of these....

...28 Feb 2013 08:15:22: Lohse considering 1-2 year deal from the Indians..

Again the source of the 'rumor' is suspect, So, with a grain of salt, taken it should be.. (using your best Yoda voice..)

[A.Zajac]

..another one of these....

...28 Feb 2013 08:15:22: Lohse considering 1-2 year deal from the Indians..

Again the source of the 'rumor' is suspect, So, with a grain of salt, taken it should be.. (using your best Yoda voice..)

Been hearing the Brewers might be in the running for Lohse.

[A.Zajac]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
About Lohse: Sources continue to say that while draft pick comp not an issue for CLE, Indians aren't on Lohse; they already stretched $.

[GoTribe028]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
About Lohse: Sources continue to say that while draft pick comp not an issue for CLE, Indians aren't on Lohse; they already stretched $.

Not surprising, have read from multiple writers the belief is they would need to move some salary in order to be able to add Lohse.

I know the draft pick compensation has been an issue,but after this long doesn't it just show teams aren't as willing to over pay for a pitcher who, most likely will not put you over the top?

[homerawayfromhome]

The only way I see the Tribe moving on Lohse is...

1. Major injuries occur
2. They make a parallel move, that alleviates $$$

Frankly, as much as I have been a proponent of such moves, I don't see it happening unless he settles for a Matzusaka type deal. Could go 2 yrs with an option and back end the deal.

[homerawayfromhome]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
About Lohse: Sources continue to say that while draft pick comp not an issue for CLE, Indians aren't on Lohse; they already stretched $.

Not surprising, have read from multiple writers the belief is they would need to move some salary in order to be able to add Lohse.

I know the draft pick compensation has been an issue,but after this long doesn't it just show teams aren't as willing to over pay for a pitcher who, most likely will not put you over the top?

I think that's a fair assessment of Lohse. Nothing sexy, and concerns about his numbers in the AL previously are warranted. I think he'd be an improvement. Honestly, I think he'd post numbers something like 200 IP 3.75 era - 4.25 era 14 - 10 w/l. For those type of numbers would he be worth $10/$12 M per yr? Seriously, I think they could get that from Myers or McAllister. But he could be an important cog and frankly, adding him would certainly put the Tribe in serious contention for the AL central. If only the Tribe could get that production from Jimenez...

[GoTribe028]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
About Lohse: Sources continue to say that while draft pick comp not an issue for CLE, Indians aren't on Lohse; they already stretched $.

Not surprising, have read from multiple writers the belief is they would need to move some salary in order to be able to add Lohse.

I know the draft pick compensation has been an issue,but after this long doesn't it just show teams aren't as willing to over pay for a pitcher who, most likely will not put you over the top?

I think that's a fair assessment of Lohse. Nothing sexy, and concerns about his numbers in the AL previously are warranted. I think he'd be an improvement. Honestly, I think he'd post numbers something like 200 IP 3.75 era - 4.25 era 14 - 10 w/l. For those type of numbers would he be worth $10/$12 M per yr? Seriously, I think they could get that from Myers or McAllister. But he could be an important cog and frankly, adding him would certainly put the Tribe in serious contention for the AL central. If only the Tribe could get that production from Jimenez...

Anything could change, but the Indians could always go into the season and see where they are before exploring trade options for starting pitching. Clearly that's nothing ground breaking, but I think that's the way to go. Again Asdrubal and C.Perez come into play there. If Jimenez has some sort of rebound I would figure they dangle him out there too.

[SwisherBuck11]

Didn't olney also say we weren't in on Bourn a few days before we signed him?

[TheWord]

I don't think they're in on Lohse right now.

My guess would be they have a standing offer which is lower, if his demands come down substantially THEN they would be "in."

[GoTribe028]

Didn't olney also say we weren't in on Bourn a few days before we signed him?

No, Olney and Jon Heyman both put it out there that the Indians were still talking with Boras regarding both players, mostly because the draft pick wasn't at risk. Olney the weekend before the Bourn signing tweeted out something along the lines that the Indians were "hovering over the Bourn situation"

[SwisherBuck11]

Didn't olney also say we weren't in on Bourn a few days before we signed him?

No, Olney and Jon Heyman both put it out there that the Indians were still talking with Boras regarding both players, mostly because the draft pick wasn't at risk. Olney the weekend before the Bourn signing tweeted out something along the lines that the Indians were "hovering over the Bourn situation"

Wrong

ESPN's Buster Olney writes that the Indians are among the teams that "might have interest" in free agent outfielder Michael Bourn.
Olney adds that Bourn's price tag would have to drop considerably for the Indians to be interested. It's unclear where Bourn would fit with the club, as they already appear set with Nick Swisher, Michael Brantley and Drew Stubbs in their outfield. However, opposed to the Mets, the Indians' first-round pick in 2013 is protected. The Rangers and Mariners have also been mentioned as possible landing spots for the speedy center fielder, but it's increasingly clear that he won't get the big contract he was looking for this winter.


that was 6 days before he agreed to sign with Cleveland and the most recent time the Indians were mentioned with Bourn.

[BrianM]

Just like Bourn, it is just too difficult for any of these writers and analysts to eliminate the Indians as a potential landing spot for Lohse because the draft comp, he fits a need, and he does not really have any other serious suitors.

If he can be had on a cheaper 2-3 year deal for 8-9 mil a year, I would love to sign him. If he continues to be a better than average pitcher, we should be able to deal him at any point in time during his tenure. Teams are so concerned with picking up salary on players...what team wouldn't want to trade for a solid starter mid season who wouldnt break the bank?

[GoTribe028]

Didn't olney also say we weren't in on Bourn a few days before we signed him?

No, Olney and Jon Heyman both put it out there that the Indians were still talking with Boras regarding both players, mostly because the draft pick wasn't at risk. Olney the weekend before the Bourn signing tweeted out something along the lines that the Indians were "hovering over the Bourn situation"

Wrong

ESPN's Buster Olney writes that the Indians are among the teams that "might have interest" in free agent outfielder Michael Bourn.
Olney adds that Bourn's price tag would have to drop considerably for the Indians to be interested. It's unclear where Bourn would fit with the club, as they already appear set with Nick Swisher, Michael Brantley and Drew Stubbs in their outfield. However, opposed to the Mets, the Indians' first-round pick in 2013 is protected. The Rangers and Mariners have also been mentioned as possible landing spots for the speedy center fielder, but it's increasingly clear that he won't get the big contract he was looking for this winter.


that was 6 days before he agreed to sign with Cleveland and the most recent time the Indians were mentioned with Bourn.

How is that wrong? His price did come down and the Indians signed him. What the crap is wrong with you? Its like you 13 years old.

It's all out there if you choose to find it. Hell you asked if Olney said the Indians weren't in on Bourn then went out of your way to prove THEY WERE.

[A.Zajac]

Didn't olney also say we weren't in on Bourn a few days before we signed him?

No, Olney and Jon Heyman both put it out there that the Indians were still talking with Boras regarding both players, mostly because the draft pick wasn't at risk. Olney the weekend before the Bourn signing tweeted out something along the lines that the Indians were "hovering over the Bourn situation"

Wrong

ESPN's Buster Olney writes that the Indians are among the teams that "might have interest" in free agent outfielder Michael Bourn.
Olney adds that Bourn's price tag would have to drop considerably for the Indians to be interested. It's unclear where Bourn would fit with the club, as they already appear set with Nick Swisher, Michael Brantley and Drew Stubbs in their outfield. However, opposed to the Mets, the Indians' first-round pick in 2013 is protected. The Rangers and Mariners have also been mentioned as possible landing spots for the speedy center fielder, but it's increasingly clear that he won't get the big contract he was looking for this winter.


that was 6 days before he agreed to sign with Cleveland and the most recent time the Indians were mentioned with Bourn.

How is that wrong? His price did come down and the Indians signed him. What the crap is wrong with you? Its like you 13 years old.

It's all out there if you choose to find it. Hell you asked if Olney said the Indians weren't in on Bourn then went out of your way to prove THEY WERE.

Agree with GoTribe. I was about to type the same thing. The price DID come down. Significantly. That was a huge part of this.

[GeronimoSon]

Didn't olney also say we weren't in on Bourn a few days before we signed him?

No, Olney and Jon Heyman both put it out there that the Indians were still talking with Boras regarding both players, mostly because the draft pick wasn't at risk. Olney the weekend before the Bourn signing tweeted out something along the lines that the Indians were "hovering over the Bourn situation"

Wrong

ESPN's Buster Olney writes that the Indians are among the teams that "might have interest" in free agent outfielder Michael Bourn.
Olney adds that Bourn's price tag would have to drop considerably for the Indians to be interested. It's unclear where Bourn would fit with the club, as they already appear set with Nick Swisher, Michael Brantley and Drew Stubbs in their outfield. However, opposed to the Mets, the Indians' first-round pick in 2013 is protected. The Rangers and Mariners have also been mentioned as possible landing spots for the speedy center fielder, but it's increasingly clear that he won't get the big contract he was looking for this winter.


that was 6 days before he agreed to sign with Cleveland and the most recent time the Indians were mentioned with Bourn.

How is that wrong? His price did come down and the Indians signed him. What the crap is wrong with you? Its like you 13 years old.

It's all out there if you choose to find it. Hell you asked if Olney said the Indians weren't in on Bourn then went out of your way to prove THEY WERE.

Swisher.. yes, the vast majority of the stories written gave clear indication there was little chance the Indians would be able to sign Michael Bourn. The vast majority also left the door to that chance ever so slightly ajar for the express purpose of NOT being wrong. In effect.. regardless of what the club did.. the writers could claim they were correct.. or they had a hunch.. or something to that effect.. Naturally, the Olney's and Heyman's and other mouth breathers & other knuckle draggers could revel in whatever their position was to what ever media they were using.. As an example, Paul Hoynes, the Sunday before the Bourn signing.. wrote a long story.. proclaiming the Indians had a near non-existent chance at acquiring Michael Bourn.., but, (AND IT"S BIG BUT).. he left the door ajar with one word: "maybe" He didn't have any more information, inside or otherwise, than the guy walking down the street. So, I guess the point of this posting is if you can make a stand on both sides of an issue, then who cares what is claimed?..

[SwisherBuck11]

Didn't olney also say we weren't in on Bourn a few days before we signed him?

No, Olney and Jon Heyman both put it out there that the Indians were still talking with Boras regarding both players, mostly because the draft pick wasn't at risk. Olney the weekend before the Bourn signing tweeted out something along the lines that the Indians were "hovering over the Bourn situation"

Wrong

ESPN's Buster Olney writes that the Indians are among the teams that "might have interest" in free agent outfielder Michael Bourn.
Olney adds that Bourn's price tag would have to drop considerably for the Indians to be interested. It's unclear where Bourn would fit with the club, as they already appear set with Nick Swisher, Michael Brantley and Drew Stubbs in their outfield. However, opposed to the Mets, the Indians' first-round pick in 2013 is protected. The Rangers and Mariners have also been mentioned as possible landing spots for the speedy center fielder, but it's increasingly clear that he won't get the big contract he was looking for this winter.


that was 6 days before he agreed to sign with Cleveland and the most recent time the Indians were mentioned with Bourn.

How is that wrong? His price did come down and the Indians signed him. What the crap is wrong with you? Its like you 13 years old.

It's all out there if you choose to find it. Hell you asked if Olney said the Indians weren't in on Bourn then went out of your way to prove THEY WERE.

for one theres no proof his price came down, especially when there was a 4 Mil diffence between what we offered him back at the start of the offseason and what we signed him for, secon i asked if Olney said we were out of it for Bourn before we signed him and you said no, which was clearly wrong as proven in the bold. nice name calling, lets see you contintribute something significant to the board other then trolling for once

[SwisherBuck11]

Didn't olney also say we weren't in on Bourn a few days before we signed him?

No, Olney and Jon Heyman both put it out there that the Indians were still talking with Boras regarding both players, mostly because the draft pick wasn't at risk. Olney the weekend before the Bourn signing tweeted out something along the lines that the Indians were "hovering over the Bourn situation"

Wrong

ESPN's Buster Olney writes that the Indians are among the teams that "might have interest" in free agent outfielder Michael Bourn.
Olney adds that Bourn's price tag would have to drop considerably for the Indians to be interested. It's unclear where Bourn would fit with the club, as they already appear set with Nick Swisher, Michael Brantley and Drew Stubbs in their outfield. However, opposed to the Mets, the Indians' first-round pick in 2013 is protected. The Rangers and Mariners have also been mentioned as possible landing spots for the speedy center fielder, but it's increasingly clear that he won't get the big contract he was looking for this winter.


that was 6 days before he agreed to sign with Cleveland and the most recent time the Indians were mentioned with Bourn.

How is that wrong? His price did come down and the Indians signed him. What the crap is wrong with you? Its like you 13 years old.

It's all out there if you choose to find it. Hell you asked if Olney said the Indians weren't in on Bourn then went out of your way to prove THEY WERE.

Agree with GoTribe. I was about to type the same thing. The price DID come down. Significantly. That was a huge part of this.

Wheres the proof his price came down "Significantly", did you talk to borass and ask what Bourn was asking for? no then you're wrong as well

[A.Zajac]

Didn't olney also say we weren't in on Bourn a few days before we signed him?

No, Olney and Jon Heyman both put it out there that the Indians were still talking with Boras regarding both players, mostly because the draft pick wasn't at risk. Olney the weekend before the Bourn signing tweeted out something along the lines that the Indians were "hovering over the Bourn situation"

Wrong

ESPN's Buster Olney writes that the Indians are among the teams that "might have interest" in free agent outfielder Michael Bourn.
Olney adds that Bourn's price tag would have to drop considerably for the Indians to be interested. It's unclear where Bourn would fit with the club, as they already appear set with Nick Swisher, Michael Brantley and Drew Stubbs in their outfield. However, opposed to the Mets, the Indians' first-round pick in 2013 is protected. The Rangers and Mariners have also been mentioned as possible landing spots for the speedy center fielder, but it's increasingly clear that he won't get the big contract he was looking for this winter.


that was 6 days before he agreed to sign with Cleveland and the most recent time the Indians were mentioned with Bourn.

How is that wrong? His price did come down and the Indians signed him. What the crap is wrong with you? Its like you 13 years old.

It's all out there if you choose to find it. Hell you asked if Olney said the Indians weren't in on Bourn then went out of your way to prove THEY WERE.

Agree with GoTribe. I was about to type the same thing. The price DID come down. Significantly. That was a huge part of this.

Wheres the proof his price came down "Significantly", did you talk to borass and ask what Bourn was asking for? no then you're wrong as well

Stop acting like a "know it all". You're not. By the way, it's BORAS. MULTIPLE sources, including multiple beat writers said Bourn was seeking more. You want proof?

From USA Today:

Bourn, 30, was originally seeking a six- or seven-year deal, but his value diminished when the Washington Nationals and Philadelphia Phillies each acquired center fielders from the Minnesota Twins.

Want to put your foot in your mouth now?

[SwisherBuck11]

Didn't olney also say we weren't in on Bourn a few days before we signed him?

No, Olney and Jon Heyman both put it out there that the Indians were still talking with Boras regarding both players, mostly because the draft pick wasn't at risk. Olney the weekend before the Bourn signing tweeted out something along the lines that the Indians were "hovering over the Bourn situation"

Wrong

ESPN's Buster Olney writes that the Indians are among the teams that "might have interest" in free agent outfielder Michael Bourn.
Olney adds that Bourn's price tag would have to drop considerably for the Indians to be interested. It's unclear where Bourn would fit with the club, as they already appear set with Nick Swisher, Michael Brantley and Drew Stubbs in their outfield. However, opposed to the Mets, the Indians' first-round pick in 2013 is protected. The Rangers and Mariners have also been mentioned as possible landing spots for the speedy center fielder, but it's increasingly clear that he won't get the big contract he was looking for this winter.


that was 6 days before he agreed to sign with Cleveland and the most recent time the Indians were mentioned with Bourn.

How is that wrong? His price did come down and the Indians signed him. What the crap is wrong with you? Its like you 13 years old.

It's all out there if you choose to find it. Hell you asked if Olney said the Indians weren't in on Bourn then went out of your way to prove THEY WERE.

Agree with GoTribe. I was about to type the same thing. The price DID come down. Significantly. That was a huge part of this.

Wheres the proof his price came down "Significantly", did you talk to borass and ask what Bourn was asking for? no then you're wrong as well

Stop acting like a "know it all". You're not. By the way, it's BORAS. MULTIPLE sources, including multiple beat writers said Bourn was seeking more. You want proof?

From USA Today:

Bourn, 30, was originally seeking a six- or seven-year deal, but his value diminished when the Washington Nationals and Philadelphia Phillies each acquired center fielders from the Minnesota Twins.

Want to put your foot in your mouth now?

Cool story bro, wheres the exact words from Borass or Bourn that his price dropped in that 6 day span? otherwise anything else is pure bullsh*t, take you're own advice on the know it all part as well

[A.Zajac]

Didn't olney also say we weren't in on Bourn a few days before we signed him?

No, Olney and Jon Heyman both put it out there that the Indians were still talking with Boras regarding both players, mostly because the draft pick wasn't at risk. Olney the weekend before the Bourn signing tweeted out something along the lines that the Indians were "hovering over the Bourn situation"

Wrong

ESPN's Buster Olney writes that the Indians are among the teams that "might have interest" in free agent outfielder Michael Bourn.
Olney adds that Bourn's price tag would have to drop considerably for the Indians to be interested. It's unclear where Bourn would fit with the club, as they already appear set with Nick Swisher, Michael Brantley and Drew Stubbs in their outfield. However, opposed to the Mets, the Indians' first-round pick in 2013 is protected. The Rangers and Mariners have also been mentioned as possible landing spots for the speedy center fielder, but it's increasingly clear that he won't get the big contract he was looking for this winter.


that was 6 days before he agreed to sign with Cleveland and the most recent time the Indians were mentioned with Bourn.

How is that wrong? His price did come down and the Indians signed him. What the crap is wrong with you? Its like you 13 years old.

It's all out there if you choose to find it. Hell you asked if Olney said the Indians weren't in on Bourn then went out of your way to prove THEY WERE.

Agree with GoTribe. I was about to type the same thing. The price DID come down. Significantly. That was a huge part of this.

Wheres the proof his price came down "Significantly", did you talk to borass and ask what Bourn was asking for? no then you're wrong as well

Stop acting like a "know it all". You're not. By the way, it's BORAS. MULTIPLE sources, including multiple beat writers said Bourn was seeking more. You want proof?

From USA Today:

Bourn, 30, was originally seeking a six- or seven-year deal, but his value diminished when the Washington Nationals and Philadelphia Phillies each acquired center fielders from the Minnesota Twins.

Want to put your foot in your mouth now?

Cool story bro, wheres the exact words from Borass or Bourn that his price dropped in that 6 day span? otherwise anything else is pure bullsh*t, take you're own advice on the know it all part as well

Glad you understand how to read English in that he was seeking a six or seven year deal (accepted a four) and his value diminished (meaning he had to accept less).

[SwisherBuck11]

Didn't olney also say we weren't in on Bourn a few days before we signed him?

No, Olney and Jon Heyman both put it out there that the Indians were still talking with Boras regarding both players, mostly because the draft pick wasn't at risk. Olney the weekend before the Bourn signing tweeted out something along the lines that the Indians were "hovering over the Bourn situation"

Wrong

ESPN's Buster Olney writes that the Indians are among the teams that "might have interest" in free agent outfielder Michael Bourn.
Olney adds that Bourn's price tag would have to drop considerably for the Indians to be interested. It's unclear where Bourn would fit with the club, as they already appear set with Nick Swisher, Michael Brantley and Drew Stubbs in their outfield. However, opposed to the Mets, the Indians' first-round pick in 2013 is protected. The Rangers and Mariners have also been mentioned as possible landing spots for the speedy center fielder, but it's increasingly clear that he won't get the big contract he was looking for this winter.


that was 6 days before he agreed to sign with Cleveland and the most recent time the Indians were mentioned with Bourn.

How is that wrong? His price did come down and the Indians signed him. What the crap is wrong with you? Its like you 13 years old.

It's all out there if you choose to find it. Hell you asked if Olney said the Indians weren't in on Bourn then went out of your way to prove THEY WERE.

Agree with GoTribe. I was about to type the same thing. The price DID come down. Significantly. That was a huge part of this.

Wheres the proof his price came down "Significantly", did you talk to borass and ask what Bourn was asking for? no then you're wrong as well

Stop acting like a "know it all". You're not. By the way, it's BORAS. MULTIPLE sources, including multiple beat writers said Bourn was seeking more. You want proof?

From USA Today:

Bourn, 30, was originally seeking a six- or seven-year deal, but his value diminished when the Washington Nationals and Philadelphia Phillies each acquired center fielders from the Minnesota Twins.

Want to put your foot in your mouth now?

Cool story bro, wheres the exact words from Borass or Bourn that his price dropped in that 6 day span? otherwise anything else is pure bullsh*t, take you're own advice on the know it all part as well

Glad you understand how to read English in that he was seeking a six or seven year deal (accepted a four) and his value diminished (meaning he had to accept less).

Wheres the exact quote from Borass or Bourn themselfs?

[A.Zajac]

Didn't olney also say we weren't in on Bourn a few days before we signed him?

No, Olney and Jon Heyman both put it out there that the Indians were still talking with Boras regarding both players, mostly because the draft pick wasn't at risk. Olney the weekend before the Bourn signing tweeted out something along the lines that the Indians were "hovering over the Bourn situation"

Wrong

ESPN's Buster Olney writes that the Indians are among the teams that "might have interest" in free agent outfielder Michael Bourn.
Olney adds that Bourn's price tag would have to drop considerably for the Indians to be interested. It's unclear where Bourn would fit with the club, as they already appear set with Nick Swisher, Michael Brantley and Drew Stubbs in their outfield. However, opposed to the Mets, the Indians' first-round pick in 2013 is protected. The Rangers and Mariners have also been mentioned as possible landing spots for the speedy center fielder, but it's increasingly clear that he won't get the big contract he was looking for this winter.


that was 6 days before he agreed to sign with Cleveland and the most recent time the Indians were mentioned with Bourn.

How is that wrong? His price did come down and the Indians signed him. What the crap is wrong with you? Its like you 13 years old.

It's all out there if you choose to find it. Hell you asked if Olney said the Indians weren't in on Bourn then went out of your way to prove THEY WERE.

Agree with GoTribe. I was about to type the same thing. The price DID come down. Significantly. That was a huge part of this.

Wheres the proof his price came down "Significantly", did you talk to borass and ask what Bourn was asking for? no then you're wrong as well

Stop acting like a "know it all". You're not. By the way, it's BORAS. MULTIPLE sources, including multiple beat writers said Bourn was seeking more. You want proof?

From USA Today:

Bourn, 30, was originally seeking a six- or seven-year deal, but his value diminished when the Washington Nationals and Philadelphia Phillies each acquired center fielders from the Minnesota Twins.

Want to put your foot in your mouth now?

Cool story bro, wheres the exact words from Borass or Bourn that his price dropped in that 6 day span? otherwise anything else is pure bullsh*t, take you're own advice on the know it all part as well

Glad you understand how to read English in that he was seeking a six or seven year deal (accepted a four) and his value diminished (meaning he had to accept less).

Wheres the exact quote from Borass or Bourn themselfs?

There's no quote from Borass because BORASS doesn't exist. Boras does, though. But seriously, what player or agent is ever going to say this publicly? Want to come back down to planet earth, home of reality for us?

[BrianM]

goosfraba

[SwisherBuck11]

Didn't olney also say we weren't in on Bourn a few days before we signed him?

No, Olney and Jon Heyman both put it out there that the Indians were still talking with Boras regarding both players, mostly because the draft pick wasn't at risk. Olney the weekend before the Bourn signing tweeted out something along the lines that the Indians were "hovering over the Bourn situation"

Wrong

ESPN's Buster Olney writes that the Indians are among the teams that "might have interest" in free agent outfielder Michael Bourn.
Olney adds that Bourn's price tag would have to drop considerably for the Indians to be interested. It's unclear where Bourn would fit with the club, as they already appear set with Nick Swisher, Michael Brantley and Drew Stubbs in their outfield. However, opposed to the Mets, the Indians' first-round pick in 2013 is protected. The Rangers and Mariners have also been mentioned as possible landing spots for the speedy center fielder, but it's increasingly clear that he won't get the big contract he was looking for this winter.


that was 6 days before he agreed to sign with Cleveland and the most recent time the Indians were mentioned with Bourn.

How is that wrong? His price did come down and the Indians signed him. What the crap is wrong with you? Its like you 13 years old.

It's all out there if you choose to find it. Hell you asked if Olney said the Indians weren't in on Bourn then went out of your way to prove THEY WERE.

Agree with GoTribe. I was about to type the same thing. The price DID come down. Significantly. That was a huge part of this.

Wheres the proof his price came down "Significantly", did you talk to borass and ask what Bourn was asking for? no then you're wrong as well

Stop acting like a "know it all". You're not. By the way, it's BORAS. MULTIPLE sources, including multiple beat writers said Bourn was seeking more. You want proof?

From USA Today:

Bourn, 30, was originally seeking a six- or seven-year deal, but his value diminished when the Washington Nationals and Philadelphia Phillies each acquired center fielders from the Minnesota Twins.

Want to put your foot in your mouth now?

Cool story bro, wheres the exact words from Borass or Bourn that his price dropped in that 6 day span? otherwise anything else is pure bullsh*t, take you're own advice on the know it all part as well

Glad you understand how to read English in that he was seeking a six or seven year deal (accepted a four) and his value diminished (meaning he had to accept less).

Wheres the exact quote from Borass or Bourn themselfs?

There's no quote from Borass because BORASS doesn't exist. Boras does, though. But seriously, what player or agent is ever going to say this publicly? Want to come back down to planet earth, home of reality for us?

so in other words you're lying and talking out you're ass, i understand

[A.Zajac]

Didn't olney also say we weren't in on Bourn a few days before we signed him?

No, Olney and Jon Heyman both put it out there that the Indians were still talking with Boras regarding both players, mostly because the draft pick wasn't at risk. Olney the weekend before the Bourn signing tweeted out something along the lines that the Indians were "hovering over the Bourn situation"

Wrong

ESPN's Buster Olney writes that the Indians are among the teams that "might have interest" in free agent outfielder Michael Bourn.
Olney adds that Bourn's price tag would have to drop considerably for the Indians to be interested. It's unclear where Bourn would fit with the club, as they already appear set with Nick Swisher, Michael Brantley and Drew Stubbs in their outfield. However, opposed to the Mets, the Indians' first-round pick in 2013 is protected. The Rangers and Mariners have also been mentioned as possible landing spots for the speedy center fielder, but it's increasingly clear that he won't get the big contract he was looking for this winter.


that was 6 days before he agreed to sign with Cleveland and the most recent time the Indians were mentioned with Bourn.

How is that wrong? His price did come down and the Indians signed him. What the crap is wrong with you? Its like you 13 years old.

It's all out there if you choose to find it. Hell you asked if Olney said the Indians weren't in on Bourn then went out of your way to prove THEY WERE.

Agree with GoTribe. I was about to type the same thing. The price DID come down. Significantly. That was a huge part of this.

Wheres the proof his price came down "Significantly", did you talk to borass and ask what Bourn was asking for? no then you're wrong as well

Stop acting like a "know it all". You're not. By the way, it's BORAS. MULTIPLE sources, including multiple beat writers said Bourn was seeking more. You want proof?

From USA Today:

Bourn, 30, was originally seeking a six- or seven-year deal, but his value diminished when the Washington Nationals and Philadelphia Phillies each acquired center fielders from the Minnesota Twins.

Want to put your foot in your mouth now?

Cool story bro, wheres the exact words from Borass or Bourn that his price dropped in that 6 day span? otherwise anything else is pure bullsh*t, take you're own advice on the know it all part as well

Glad you understand how to read English in that he was seeking a six or seven year deal (accepted a four) and his value diminished (meaning he had to accept less).

Wheres the exact quote from Borass or Bourn themselfs?

There's no quote from Borass because BORASS doesn't exist. Boras does, though. But seriously, what player or agent is ever going to say this publicly? Want to come back down to planet earth, home of reality for us?

so in other words you're lying and talking out you're ass, i understand

Or you're delusional and think you know it all and in reality doesn't know a damn thing about baseball.

[skydancing8]

I'm glad you guys are enjoying him as much as we have been over on the Scout boards. I actually came over here to get away from him. No such luck I guess.

[GeronimoSon]

I'm glad you guys are enjoying him as much as we have been over on the Scout boards. I actually came over here to get away from him. No such luck I guess.

There is bad luck.. too..

[TheWord]

Seriously, this guy has been banned from like every board I frequent.

Who has that kind of time to do that much trolling?

[SwisherBuck11]

Didn't olney also say we weren't in on Bourn a few days before we signed him?

No, Olney and Jon Heyman both put it out there that the Indians were still talking with Boras regarding both players, mostly because the draft pick wasn't at risk. Olney the weekend before the Bourn signing tweeted out something along the lines that the Indians were "hovering over the Bourn situation"

Wrong

ESPN's Buster Olney writes that the Indians are among the teams that "might have interest" in free agent outfielder Michael Bourn.
Olney adds that Bourn's price tag would have to drop considerably for the Indians to be interested. It's unclear where Bourn would fit with the club, as they already appear set with Nick Swisher, Michael Brantley and Drew Stubbs in their outfield. However, opposed to the Mets, the Indians' first-round pick in 2013 is protected. The Rangers and Mariners have also been mentioned as possible landing spots for the speedy center fielder, but it's increasingly clear that he won't get the big contract he was looking for this winter.


that was 6 days before he agreed to sign with Cleveland and the most recent time the Indians were mentioned with Bourn.

How is that wrong? His price did come down and the Indians signed him. What the crap is wrong with you? Its like you 13 years old.

It's all out there if you choose to find it. Hell you asked if Olney said the Indians weren't in on Bourn then went out of your way to prove THEY WERE.

Agree with GoTribe. I was about to type the same thing. The price DID come down. Significantly. That was a huge part of this.

Wheres the proof his price came down "Significantly", did you talk to borass and ask what Bourn was asking for? no then you're wrong as well

Stop acting like a "know it all". You're not. By the way, it's BORAS. MULTIPLE sources, including multiple beat writers said Bourn was seeking more. You want proof?

From USA Today:

Bourn, 30, was originally seeking a six- or seven-year deal, but his value diminished when the Washington Nationals and Philadelphia Phillies each acquired center fielders from the Minnesota Twins.

Want to put your foot in your mouth now?

Cool story bro, wheres the exact words from Borass or Bourn that his price dropped in that 6 day span? otherwise anything else is pure bullsh*t, take you're own advice on the know it all part as well

Glad you understand how to read English in that he was seeking a six or seven year deal (accepted a four) and his value diminished (meaning he had to accept less).

Wheres the exact quote from Borass or Bourn themselfs?

There's no quote from Borass because BORASS doesn't exist. Boras does, though. But seriously, what player or agent is ever going to say this publicly? Want to come back down to planet earth, home of reality for us?

so in other words you're lying and talking out you're ass, i understand

Or you're delusional and think you know it all and in reality doesn't know a damn thing about baseball.

Yawn, and you know what exactly? Oh right nothing