MLB Hot Stove

[Hermie13]

Any body care to chime in on who goes to make room for Bourn on the 40 man roster. I think we will see that move forthcoming sometime this week.

McGuinness IMO. Mike McDade also possible...Maybe Zeke or even Stubbs are being shopped around?

Suppose guys like Huff and Herrmann are also on the bubble.

Tomlin to the 60-day DL???

Tribe placed Anthony Reyes on the 60-day DL on February 24th, 2010 to make room for Russell Branyan. First spring training game wasn't til first week in March that year....not sure if the new CBA changed the rule though??? Spring training is underway though so may be an option...

[homerawayfromhome]

Any body care to chime in on who goes to make room for Bourn on the 40 man roster. I think we will see that move forthcoming sometime this week.

McGuinness IMO. Mike McDade also possible...Maybe Zeke or even Stubbs are being shopped around?

Suppose guys like Huff and Herrmann are also on the bubble.

Tomlin to the 60-day DL???

Tribe placed Anthony Reyes on the 60-day DL on February 24th, 2010 to make room for Russell Branyan. First spring training game wasn't til first week in March that year....not sure if the new CBA changed the rule though??? Spring training is underway though so may be an option...

I actually thought the DL date was at the end of ST, but it is true Josh Tomlin, Blake Wood and maybe CC Lee could potentially be added to the 60 day DL....if I read Tony's tweet right the other day, that could be the expected move.

[homerawayfromhome]

Vegas came out with over/under win totals. Cleveland Indians' number is 77 1/2 games. Odds to win the AL at 40/1. I'd put a hundo on the over

I'm willing to guess about 82-86 wins right now. I'm hoping that Bauer and Carrasco can impact the rotation this yr.
I've seen two separate projections for the Tribe one had 80, the other 81. I'm saying 82, maybe 86 if all goes well, few injuries etc.

[homerawayfromhome]

Kind of surprised that the Twins will give Rafael Perez a shot as a SP. I guess it goes to show the value of being a LHP.

[criznit2009]

I think a 500 is 100% realistic. If things come together, this team has the potential to win a lot of games. Who knows, they could even add another good SP to the rotation by opening day.

I couldn't be happier with the off-season so far...

Anyone else think a crappy Ubaldo doesn't last long after opening day?

[homerawayfromhome]

I think a 500 is 100% realistic. If things come together, this team has the potential to win a lot of games. Who knows, they could even add another good SP to the rotation by opening day.

I couldn't be happier with the off-season so far...

Anyone else think a crappy Ubaldo doesn't last long after opening day?

I think 86 wins and contention for a wild card spot isn't out of the realm of possibility. Of course they have to stay fairly healthy and could make a move or two that alters the complexion of the SP.

I don't think there has to be much patience with Jimenez, they could bump him to the pen if he starts off ugly or simply DFA him. I think he's around at least until June, if he pitches well they may cut ties with him if they are out of contention or lagging behind fairly well.

Overall, I expect a vastly improved team, but a few holes in the SP will likely hold this team back unless they get stability from Masterson and McAllister. Carrasco needs to prove he's ready to return, and I expect he will and finally, Trevor Bauer needs to begin to prove he's big league ready.

I still think there's a reasonable possibility that we see Matsuzaka and Kazmir at some point, possibly early while Carrasco and Bauer heat up in the minors.

[homerawayfromhome]

Fangraphs had an interesting article that suggests the Tribe could still jump in on Lohse. I think it's unlikely, but won't rule it out. If they sign him three yrs and backload it. They'd certainly seem to be out of it, but they could offset a move by flipping any number of guys for help / near ready prospects.

Here's a link...
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.ph ... and-forth/

[GoTribe028]

Dont see Lohse at this point either....but I do not believe that the Indians aren't still lingering...

Anyway, the Michael Bourn signing is offically official and the Indians have place RHP Josh Tomlin on the 60 day DL per Bastian on The Twitter

[homerawayfromhome]

Anyone know anything about Tony Campana - OF the Cubs DFA the other day? He's 26, from Ohio... he hits LH has about .260 avg over 2 seasons as a PH, but seems to offer good speed on the bases swiping 30/33 bases last yr in less than 200 AB. Just curious if he's a guy the Tribe could snag and maybe DFA hoping to slide him into AAA, or maybe even into the bench competition. Just curious if this guy could be worth picking up, don't think I've got to see him in person.

[GeronimoSon]

Joe Maddon of the TB Rays is saying that he and Jim Hickey, the Rays Pitching Coach, are going to give FAUSTO!! a chance to earn a spot in the rays starting rotation. Would that be an indictment of the Indians pitching coaches Tim Belcher/ Scott Radinsky & Manny Acta if the Rays can unlock the secret to Fausto's command?

[GoTribe028]

DKnobler: Marlins announce they've signed Casey Kotchman to minor-league contract with spring invite.

[GoTribe028]

Joe Maddon of the TB Rays is saying that he and Jim Hickey, the Rays Pitching Coach, are going to give FAUSTO!! a chance to earn a spot in the rays starting rotation. Would that be an indictment of the Indians pitching coaches Tim Belcher/ Scott Radinsky & Manny Acta if the Rays can unlock the secret to Fausto's command?

Well to be fair Carl Willis and others couldn't figure him out either.

[GeronimoSon]

Joe Maddon of the TB Rays is saying that he and Jim Hickey, the Rays Pitching Coach, are going to give FAUSTO!! a chance to earn a spot in the rays starting rotation. Would that be an indictment of the Indians pitching coaches Tim Belcher/ Scott Radinsky & Manny Acta if the Rays can unlock the secret to Fausto's command?

Well to be fair Carl Willis and others couldn't figure him out either.

Carl Willis coached FAUSTO when he went 19–8 with a 3.06 ERA in 215 innings pitched for the 2007 team that was within one game of the World Series.. so, CW figured something out..

[GoTribe028]

Joe Maddon of the TB Rays is saying that he and Jim Hickey, the Rays Pitching Coach, are going to give FAUSTO!! a chance to earn a spot in the rays starting rotation. Would that be an indictment of the Indians pitching coaches Tim Belcher/ Scott Radinsky & Manny Acta if the Rays can unlock the secret to Fausto's command?

Well to be fair Carl Willis and others couldn't figure him out either.

Carl Willis coached FAUSTO when he went 19–8 with a 3.06 ERA in 215 innings pitched for the 2007 team that was within one game of the World Series.. so, CW figured something out..

He also coached him in 2008 and 2009.

What else you got?

[GeronimoSon]

Joe Maddon of the TB Rays is saying that he and Jim Hickey, the Rays Pitching Coach, are going to give FAUSTO!! a chance to earn a spot in the rays starting rotation. Would that be an indictment of the Indians pitching coaches Tim Belcher/ Scott Radinsky & Manny Acta if the Rays can unlock the secret to Fausto's command?

Well to be fair Carl Willis and others couldn't figure him out either.

Carl Willis coached FAUSTO when he went 19–8 with a 3.06 ERA in 215 innings pitched for the 2007 team that was within one game of the World Series.. so, CW figured something out..

He also coached him in 2008 and 2009.

What else you got?

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[Rocky55]

Read that Didi Gregorius is hurt & may not be ready to start the season; wonder how we match up with the DBacks, trade wise.

[criznit2009]

Ok enough with the; can new coaching will fix FAUSTO stuff...The only thing that is going to fix Fausto is Fausto, just like Ubaldo. Only they can make themselves better pitchers.

[homerawayfromhome]

Gregorious has a UCL strain, saw that a few days ago.

Man, the Dbacks had a horrific offseason, I really don't like anything they done...well, besides giving the Indians Bauer, Shaw and Albers....Oh, and they did DEMAND Lars Andersen from the Tribe. well, before realizing they didn't have room for him. If they don't click this season, fans will riot with pitch forks and torches.

[GeronimoSon]

Gregorious has a UCL strain, saw that a few days ago.

Man, the Dbacks had a horrific offseason, I really don't like anything they done...well, besides giving the Indians Bauer, Shaw and Albers....Oh, and they did DEMAND Lars Andersen from the Tribe. well, before realizing they didn't have room for him. If they don't click this season, fans will riot with pitch forks and torches.

Or worse.. the fans won't notice or care...

[homerawayfromhome]

Small note, caught this on mlbtraderumors and I'm only mentioning this bc involves Chris Perez, who some deem a movable commodity, including myself. Zack Links of mlbtraderumors suggests the Dodgers could have interest in Chris Perez, if the Tribe decided to move him. I see no need to move Perez at this point but later into the season, I think it will be revisited.

[Rocky55]

Small note, caught this on mlbtraderumors and I'm only mentioning this bc involves Chris Perez, who some deem a movable commodity, including myself. Zack Links of mlbtraderumors suggests the Dodgers could have interest in Chris Perez, if the Tribe decided to move him. I see no need to move Perez at this point but later into the season, I think it will be revisited.

Hey Dodgers, blow it out yo asses, The Tribe's all in in '13!

[GeronimoSon]

Small note, caught this on mlbtraderumors and I'm only mentioning this bc involves Chris Perez, who some deem a movable commodity, including myself. Zack Links of mlbtraderumors suggests the Dodgers could have interest in Chris Perez, if the Tribe decided to move him. I see no need to move Perez at this point but later into the season, I think it will be revisited.

When you look at the comments section of that posting, there appears to be a consensus by Dodger fans that they would MUCH rather see Asdrubal and or Stubbs traded as opposed to Chris Perez. While there is merit to the argument, the few return suggestions are kind of 'weak' as they relate to Droobs.. Capuano and Javy Guera? wouldn't get Droobs..

edit: inre Perez: If the Dodgers think they need an experienced/closer or back of the pen pitcher, why wouldn't they just sign Jose Valverde?. Moving to the NL should help him...

[GeronimoSon]

K dl C signed a minor league contract with the Nationals...

[homerawayfromhome]

Small note, caught this on mlbtraderumors and I'm only mentioning this bc involves Chris Perez, who some deem a movable commodity, including myself. Zack Links of mlbtraderumors suggests the Dodgers could have interest in Chris Perez, if the Tribe decided to move him. I see no need to move Perez at this point but later into the season, I think it will be revisited.

When you look at the comments section of that posting, there appears to be a consensus by Dodger fans that they would MUCH rather see Asdrubal and or Stubbs traded as opposed to Chris Perez. While there is merit to the argument, the few return suggestions are kind of 'weak' as they relate to Droobs.. Capuano and Javy Guera? wouldn't get Droobs..

edit: inre Perez: If the Dodgers think they need an experienced/closer or back of the pen pitcher, why wouldn't they just sign Jose Valverde?. Moving to the NL should help him...

The Dodgers could probably use Stubbs and ACab more than Perez. They certainly have options out there in Valverde and KRod. Apparently, they wanted him bc he's good against RH / LH hitters. It was rumored previously that they wanted to add a rock solid LHRP, which they did land the LH from TB forgot his name offhand.

No way Capuano and Guerra is enough, I'd take of one two as pieces, as part of deal, just saying... I don't see anything major changing until later in the season and even then the Tribe will likely continue to balance tension between now / future makeup of the club. Honestly, I think they may get a better return in July unless injuries occur and someone steps up big.

I'm certainly not saying the Tribe won't keep shopping, bc I think they still make a few minor moves during / toward the end of ST to clarify the roster, and maybe fill in a hole or two.

[GeronimoSon]

Small note, caught this on mlbtraderumors and I'm only mentioning this bc involves Chris Perez, who some deem a movable commodity, including myself. Zack Links of mlbtraderumors suggests the Dodgers could have interest in Chris Perez, if the Tribe decided to move him. I see no need to move Perez at this point but later into the season, I think it will be revisited.

When you look at the comments section of that posting, there appears to be a consensus by Dodger fans that they would MUCH rather see Asdrubal and or Stubbs traded as opposed to Chris Perez. While there is merit to the argument, the few return suggestions are kind of 'weak' as they relate to Droobs.. Capuano and Javy Guera? wouldn't get Droobs..

edit: inre Perez: If the Dodgers think they need an experienced/closer or back of the pen pitcher, why wouldn't they just sign Jose Valverde?. Moving to the NL should help him...

The Dodgers could probably use Stubbs and ACab more than Perez. They certainly have options out there in Valverde and KRod. Apparently, they wanted him bc he's good against RH / LH hitters. It was rumored previously that they wanted to add a rock solid LHRP, which they did land the LH from TB forgot his name offhand.

No way Capuano and Guerra is enough, I'd take of one two as pieces, as part of deal, just saying... I don't see anything major changing until later in the season and even then the Tribe will likely continue to balance tension between now / future makeup of the club. Honestly, I think they may get a better return in July unless injuries occur and someone steps up big.

I'm certainly not saying the Tribe won't keep shopping, bc I think they still make a few minor moves during / toward the end of ST to clarify the roster, and maybe fill in a hole or two.

The moves that could be made between now and the Play Ball call in the Roger's Center may involve relief pitchers. The roster is flush with relievers that could be traded for a useful addition. That useful addition could include a deep MiLB prospects with significant upside. The list of RP's the Indians have to create their BP include the top four who would appear to have roster spots locked and the remaining 10, four of whom are lefties, vying for three spots:

54 Chris Perez R 6'4" 230
52 Vinnie Pestano R 6'0" 200
38 Joe Smith R 6'2" 205
27 Bryan Shaw R 6'1" 210

32 Matt Albers R 6'1" 225
37 Cody Allen R 6'1" 210
51 Scott Barnes L 6'4" 200
50 Nick Hagadone L 6'5" 230
69 Trey Haley R 6'4" 205
56 Frank Herrmann R 6'4" 220
31 David Huff L 6'2" 215
49 Blake Wood R 6'5" 240
XX Matt Capps R 6'2" 260
XX Rich Hill L 6'5" 220

The additions of Capps and Hill to the opening day roster could spell the end of David Huff's & Frank Supe'Herrmann's career with the Indians

[daingean]

The moves that could be made between now and the Play Ball call in the Roger's Center may involve relief pitchers. The roster is flush with relievers that could be traded for a useful addition. That useful addition could include a deep MiLB prospects with significant upside. The list of RP's the Indians have to create their BP include the top four who would appear to have roster spots locked and the remaining 10, four of whom are lefties, vying for three spots:

54 Chris Perez R 6'4" 230
52 Vinnie Pestano R 6'0" 200
38 Joe Smith R 6'2" 205
27 Bryan Shaw R 6'1" 210

32 Matt Albers R 6'1" 225
37 Cody Allen R 6'1" 210
51 Scott Barnes L 6'4" 200
50 Nick Hagadone L 6'5" 230
69 Trey Haley R 6'4" 205
56 Frank Herrmann R 6'4" 220
31 David Huff L 6'2" 215
49 Blake Wood R 6'5" 240
XX Matt Capps R 6'2" 260
XX Rich Hill L 6'5" 220

The additions of Capps and Hill to the opening day roster could spell the end of David Huff's & Frank Supe'Herrmann's career with the Indians

I think you could add Matsuzaka and, Carrasco (if the Indians decide to limit his early season innings aka Kris Medlen) to the list if either/both fail to win starters jobs.

[GeronimoSon]

The moves that could be made between now and the Play Ball call in the Roger's Center may involve relief pitchers. The roster is flush with relievers that could be traded for a useful addition. That useful addition could include a deep MiLB prospects with significant upside. The list of RP's the Indians have to create their BP include the top four who would appear to have roster spots locked and the remaining 10, four of whom are lefties, vying for three spots:

54 Chris Perez R 6'4" 230
52 Vinnie Pestano R 6'0" 200
38 Joe Smith R 6'2" 205
27 Bryan Shaw R 6'1" 210

32 Matt Albers R 6'1" 225
37 Cody Allen R 6'1" 210
51 Scott Barnes L 6'4" 200
50 Nick Hagadone L 6'5" 230
69 Trey Haley R 6'4" 205
56 Frank Herrmann R 6'4" 220
31 David Huff L 6'2" 215
49 Blake Wood R 6'5" 240
XX Matt Capps R 6'2" 260
XX Rich Hill L 6'5" 220

The additions of Capps and Hill to the opening day roster could spell the end of David Huff's & Frank Supe'Herrmann's career with the Indians

I think you could add Matsuzaka and, Carrasco (if the Indians decide to limit his early season innings aka Kris Medlen) to the list if either/both fail to win starters jobs.

Yes.. that's true too.. Both could be in that kind of position or could be left back in extended spring training while the roster sorts itself out.. There could be a record "break out" of soft tissue lat / oblique strains coming at the Indians as they attempt to sort out their bullpen..

[homerawayfromhome]

I think Blake Wood won't be ready to return until June from my understanding, but it's been a while since I've seen anything on him. Also, CC Lee could be arm to mention in the second half of the season. Could both start the season on the 60 day DL retroactive to the start of camp? I think so, it would allow them to send some extra time in extended and give the club some more roster flexibility.

I would almost assume 1 / 2 these guys may get dealt during / probably late ST. I seriously doubt that it'll be anything like Chris Perez at least not early on, but at the same time I'm expecting the Tribe will utilize this depth to supplement the club with a prospect or two that could contribute sooner rather than later.

If the Tribe is floundering somewhat come mid summer Id expect that they'd certainly / most likely move Chris Perez and potentially ACab as well as the club could seek a little financial wiggle room for the future as Tony alluded to yesterday in his article.

[GoTribe028]

I think Blake Wood won't be ready to return until June from my understanding, but it's been a while since I've seen anything on him. Also, CC Lee could be arm to mention in the second half of the season.

I would almost assume 1 / 2 these guys may get dealt during / probably late ST. I seriously doubt that it'll be anything like Chris Perez at least not early on, but at the same time I'm expecting the Tribe will utilize this depth to supplement the club with a prospect or two that could contribute sooner rather than later.

If the Tribe is floundering somewhat come mid summer Id expect that they'd certainly / most likely move Chris Perez and potentially ACab as well as the club could seek a little financial wiggle room for the future as Tony alluded to yesterday in his article.

Yeah Blake Wood is expected to be ready closer to June/July. Wouldn't be shocked if he starts the year on the 60 day DL and think he'll get a look at some point (maybe to help stretch out the pen if CPerez gets moved at some point).

[homerawayfromhome]

I think Blake Wood won't be ready to return until June from my understanding, but it's been a while since I've seen anything on him. Also, CC Lee could be arm to mention in the second half of the season.

I would almost assume 1 / 2 these guys may get dealt during / probably late ST. I seriously doubt that it'll be anything like Chris Perez at least not early on, but at the same time I'm expecting the Tribe will utilize this depth to supplement the club with a prospect or two that could contribute sooner rather than later.

If the Tribe is floundering somewhat come mid summer Id expect that they'd certainly / most likely move Chris Perez and potentially ACab as well as the club could seek a little financial wiggle room for the future as Tony alluded to yesterday in his article.

Yeah Blake Wood is expected to be ready closer to June/July. Wouldn't be shocked if he starts the year on the 60 day DL and think he'll get a look at some point (maybe to help stretch out the pen if CPerez gets moved at some point).

That's a good point on Wood. He was an interesting, low cost grab by the Tribe too. I've seen him mentioned as a potential closer at some point while in KC. They tried to slip him through waivers bc of the injury (TJ) / roster crunch obviously the Tribe jumped in on him. If anything, assuming he returns healthy he could add another late inning option.

Btw, I think we can throw Shawn Armstrong's name out there too. He seems like he should be big league ready mid to late summer and is another late inning arm. The Tribe has impressive depth and a lot options in the pen, what a nice problem to have.

[GeronimoSon]

I think Blake Wood won't be ready to return until June from my understanding, but it's been a while since I've seen anything on him. Also, CC Lee could be arm to mention in the second half of the season. Could both start the season on the 60 day DL retroactive to the start of camp? I think so, it would allow them to send some extra time in extended and give the club some more roster flexibility.

I would almost assume 1 / 2 these guys may get dealt during / probably late ST. I seriously doubt that it'll be anything like Chris Perez at least not early on, but at the same time I'm expecting the Tribe will utilize this depth to supplement the club with a prospect or two that could contribute sooner rather than later.

If the Tribe is floundering somewhat come mid summer Id expect that they'd certainly / most likely move Chris Perez and potentially ACab as well as the club could seek a little financial wiggle room for the future as Tony alluded to yesterday in his article.

Interesting that you'd mention Chris Perez as a trading deadline deal.. that's how he ended up with Chief Wahoo on his sleeve to begin with (the Mark DeRosa deal) At the time, he was an interesting middle reliever with the Cards in his second season (first full season) and had shown some ability, but, nothing earth shattering. It was the keen insight of Mark Shapiro that recognized the talent and acquired him (and Jess Todd).. the rest, they say, is history.. It would not be a huge surprise to see another deal just like this one come from the mind of Chris Antonetti.. that is..a sleeper that's flying low under the radar, but has at least one tool or skill that could play well at the ML level..

[homerawayfromhome]

I think Blake Wood won't be ready to return until June from my understanding, but it's been a while since I've seen anything on him. Also, CC Lee could be arm to mention in the second half of the season. Could both start the season on the 60 day DL retroactive to the start of camp? I think so, it would allow them to send some extra time in extended and give the club some more roster flexibility.

I would almost assume 1 / 2 these guys may get dealt during / probably late ST. I seriously doubt that it'll be anything like Chris Perez at least not early on, but at the same time I'm expecting the Tribe will utilize this depth to supplement the club with a prospect or two that could contribute sooner rather than later.

If the Tribe is floundering somewhat come mid summer Id expect that they'd certainly / most likely move Chris Perez and potentially ACab as well as the club could seek a little financial wiggle room for the future as Tony alluded to yesterday in his article.

Interesting that you'd mention Chris Perez as a trading deadline deal.. that's how he ended up with Chief Wahoo on his sleeve to begin with (the Mark DeRosa deal) At the time, he was an interesting middle reliever with the Cards in his second season (first full season) and had shown some ability, but, nothing earth shattering. It was the keen insight of Mark Shapiro that recognized the talent and acquired him (and Jess Todd).. the rest, they say, is history.. It would not be a huge surprise to see another deal just like this one come from the mind of Chris Antonetti.. that is..a sleeper that's flying low under the radar, but has at least one tool or skill that could play well at the ML level..

The Tribe already has a number of arms in place as potential late innings relievers...that being said Vinnie Pestano is the assumed heir apparent, but he's qkly approaching his arb yrs too although he may remain "cheap" for another yr or two, so it may be inevitable that somebody else will be the closer of the future. Part of my thought process in identifying Carter Capps of the M's on numerous occasions in trade discussions a few wk back.

A small side note, Tony Campana the OF formerly of the Cubs is now property of the AZ Dbax. I think we know they like OF's, he cost them two 17 yo DSL players. Not sure how much upside these two have but I like the idea of landing potentially useful talent even in these type of deals.

On to another thought, Mike Carp will likely be traded in the next 24-48 hrs per Jack Z's comments. I'd guess the Brewers may go for him since they recently found out Mat Gamel is out for the yr.

And finally, my crazy thought of the day...
Hey why don't the Indians sign Kyle Lohse on a minor league deal for 1 yr / $1.5 M with incentives for up to $4 M, you know...if he makes the club...they would side step a draft pk penalty bc of the minor league deal. I know I'm wasting space with another one of those crazy thoughts of mine, oh well just kind of playing around.

[GeronimoSon]

The Oakland A's Grant Ball-Four (not exactly the kind of name you'd want for a closer..Michael Good-Night is about the best I've ever heard !!) will miss all of spring training with a knee injury requiring surgery. The A's were one of the teams suggested as a trade target for the Indians surplus bullpen talent..

[GeronimoSon]

MLB Network pointed out that four years ago, Kyle Lohse signed a one year deal with the Cardinals on March 17th. While it is pretty much a certainty that K-Lo wouldn't prefer to be in a ML camp right now.. it's not unprecedented that he's on the outside looking in.. again..

[homerawayfromhome]

There are still note worthy FA's in KRod and Valverde, either would extend the A's bullpen, that being said both remain FA's for a reason...

The A's are a team with some LHRP that might be had, also a need of the Tribe maybe, could be, might be a possible match.

[GeronimoSon]

Looks like the red sox are going to get Mike Carp.. seems like a good place for him..didn't cost anything as well..

[GeronimoSon]

..Rays | Excited about Roberto Hernandez Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:17:50 -0800 The Tampa Bay Rays are excited in what they have in SP Roberto Hernandez. He has the chance to serve as the No. 4 or 5 starter, and the team likes the movement he has on his fastball.

This wouldn't be the first time FAUSTO has looked like a world beater to someone seeing him up close for the first time..

...21 Feb 2013 14:30:09: Source: Indians sign Kyle Lohse

A rather dubious source posted this.. Nothing seems to be coming from it..and / or the 'scoop' hasn't been repeated by anyone else.. I'll call BS on it...

...Cardinals | Rafael Furcal still feeling pain Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:13:12 -0800: St. Louis Cardinals SS Rafael Furcal (elbow) is still feeling pain in his right elbow, and he's been told to refrain from swinging left-handed or throwing with much effort. "It still hurts," Furcal said of his elbow. Asked the degree to which it hurt, Furcal answered, "A lot." Furcal hasn't had a cortisone to deal with a bone spur in his elbow and said that his elbow was "a little tight" Thursday, Feb. 21. He continues to participate in fielding drills, but he doesn't throw across the field at max effort. The team won't have him in the lineup for the spring opener or the first few games, and he'll likely be the designated hitter when he does play. St. Louis still believes he'll be ready for opening day...

Not good news for the Cardinals...

[GoTribe028]

...Cardinals | Rafael Furcal still feeling pain Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:13:12 -0800: St. Louis Cardinals SS Rafael Furcal (elbow) is still feeling pain in his right elbow, and he's been told to refrain from swinging left-handed or throwing with much effort. "It still hurts," Furcal said of his elbow. Asked the degree to which it hurt, Furcal answered, "A lot." Furcal hasn't had a cortisone to deal with a bone spur in his elbow and said that his elbow was "a little tight" Thursday, Feb. 21. He continues to participate in fielding drills, but he doesn't throw across the field at max effort. The team won't have him in the lineup for the spring opener or the first few games, and he'll likely be the designated hitter when he does play. St. Louis still believes he'll be ready for opening day...

Not good news for the Cardinals...

Here we go again. "WE CAN GET THIS GUY, DEMAND THIS GUY, ADD IN SOME TRASH TO BALANCE THE RETURN"

[GeronimoSon]

...Cardinals | Rafael Furcal still feeling pain Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:13:12 -0800: St. Louis Cardinals SS Rafael Furcal (elbow) is still feeling pain in his right elbow, and he's been told to refrain from swinging left-handed or throwing with much effort. "It still hurts," Furcal said of his elbow. Asked the degree to which it hurt, Furcal answered, "A lot." Furcal hasn't had a cortisone to deal with a bone spur in his elbow and said that his elbow was "a little tight" Thursday, Feb. 21. He continues to participate in fielding drills, but he doesn't throw across the field at max effort. The team won't have him in the lineup for the spring opener or the first few games, and he'll likely be the designated hitter when he does play. St. Louis still believes he'll be ready for opening day...

Not good news for the Cardinals...

Here we go again. "WE CAN GET THIS GUY, DEMAND THIS GUY, ADD IN SOME TRASH TO BALANCE THE RETURN"

Okay.. I give up. where are we going? What guy are we getting?.. what trash?.. who said it had to balance?...oh, wait a second.. you have a personal issue with the subject matter and want to cleverly post an attitude ridden response. pssst.. don't worry, your secret is safe.. RME....

[GoTribe028]

...Cardinals | Rafael Furcal still feeling pain Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:13:12 -0800: St. Louis Cardinals SS Rafael Furcal (elbow) is still feeling pain in his right elbow, and he's been told to refrain from swinging left-handed or throwing with much effort. "It still hurts," Furcal said of his elbow. Asked the degree to which it hurt, Furcal answered, "A lot." Furcal hasn't had a cortisone to deal with a bone spur in his elbow and said that his elbow was "a little tight" Thursday, Feb. 21. He continues to participate in fielding drills, but he doesn't throw across the field at max effort. The team won't have him in the lineup for the spring opener or the first few games, and he'll likely be the designated hitter when he does play. St. Louis still believes he'll be ready for opening day...

Not good news for the Cardinals...

Here we go again. "WE CAN GET THIS GUY, DEMAND THIS GUY, ADD IN SOME TRASH TO BALANCE THE RETURN"

Okay.. I give up. where are we going? What guy are we getting?.. what trash?.. who said it had to balance?...oh, wait a second.. you have a personal issue with the subject matter and want to cleverly post an attitude ridden response. pssst.. don't worry, your secret is safe.. RME....

Clever? Not really, I just flat out called bullshit to the post. There's only 20+ pages of discussion with you and others about WHEN the Cardinals trade for Asdrubal Cabrera about what kind of monster return the Indians will get. My favorite was always the "if St Louis needs a little sweetener for the deal, just give them Lou Marson!"

But yeah...I have a personal issue with the subject of dealing Cabrera...something that WILL happen in 2013...that most of us believed will happen in 2012....I just cant accept what I can't control.

[homerawayfromhome]

...Cardinals | Rafael Furcal still feeling pain Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:13:12 -0800: St. Louis Cardinals SS Rafael Furcal (elbow) is still feeling pain in his right elbow, and he's been told to refrain from swinging left-handed or throwing with much effort. "It still hurts," Furcal said of his elbow. Asked the degree to which it hurt, Furcal answered, "A lot." Furcal hasn't had a cortisone to deal with a bone spur in his elbow and said that his elbow was "a little tight" Thursday, Feb. 21. He continues to participate in fielding drills, but he doesn't throw across the field at max effort. The team won't have him in the lineup for the spring opener or the first few games, and he'll likely be the designated hitter when he does play. St. Louis still believes he'll be ready for opening day...

Not good news for the Cardinals...

Here we go again. "WE CAN GET THIS GUY, DEMAND THIS GUY, ADD IN SOME TRASH TO BALANCE THE RETURN"

Okay.. I give up. where are we going? What guy are we getting?.. what trash?.. who said it had to balance?...oh, wait a second.. you have a personal issue with the subject matter and want to cleverly post an attitude ridden response. pssst.. don't worry, your secret is safe.. RME....

Clever? Not really, I just flat out called bullshit to the post. There's only 20+ pages of discussion with you and others about WHEN the Cardinals trade for Asdrubal Cabrera about what kind of monster return the Indians will get. My favorite was always the "if St Louis needs a little sweetener for the deal, just give them Lou Marson!"

But yeah...I have a personal issue with the subject of dealing Cabrera...something that WILL happen in 2013...that most of us believed will happen in 2012....I just cant accept what I can't control.

Fwiw, I purposely bought a bobblehead of ACab last yr thinking he was good as gone. He may still end up elsewhere, but I'm glad I was wrong in the meantime. I hope he has the best yr of his career as an Indian this season and builds upon that in the future.

On another note, I wouldn't read too much into the elbow soreness with Raffy Furcal. He's the Cards SS this season until he's done for the season however, that occurs. Cedeno is a decent UTL type for the Cards with solid capability to alleviate Furcal on a part-time basis.

Furcal will have to deal with soreness in his elbow...that's part of the injury. I slightly tore my UCL about 5 yrs ago and it still hurts on occasion. Like Furcal I didn't have surgery, pain will be something he has to play through. Although he is certainly more at risk to hurt the elbow in the future.

[Rocky55]

I missed seeing Antonetti on Clubhouse Confidential on the MLB Network when the originally aired at 5:30 this afternoon. Luckily, they repeat the show at 7:30. This is your official "Heads Up!".

Your welcome.

[GeronimoSon]

..Clever? Not really,...

<== the only part of your post that's worth reading and true...

..hope he has the best yr of his career as an Indian this season and builds upon that in the future...

The information being spoken from the desert says he's looking sharp and lean. That, along with J-K as the starter at 2B & the additions of Raburn and Aviles should give the Indians, perhaps, their best depth and ability in the middle infield since the days Robbie and Omar roamed the diamond...

...pain will be something he has to play through..

That's where Furcal hasn't excelled. His history since after the 2009 season shows that he hasn't stayed on field for the full season. He's also no longer a kid. Even the Cardinals are saying that they don't want to have to use Peter Kozma or Ronny Cedeno as an every day player at SS.. My guess, the Cards might try Daniel Descalso as the everyday SS with Matt Carpenter at 2B before their current back ups at SS WHEN Furcal goes down... None are great solutions...

[GeronimoSon]

I missed seeing Antonetti on Clubhouse Confidential on the MLB Network when the originally aired at 5:30 this afternoon. Luckily, they repeat the show at 7:30. This is your official "Heads Up!".

Your welcome.

Thanks for the heads up..

[GeronimoSon]

Mathew Pouliot at Hardball talk had an interesting story today.. Essentially, he said.. that the Cardinals had a quiet off season and should have as they were one of the most complete teams at the end of the 2012 season.The few additions the Cardinals did have were' eye-openers or block busters, but should contribute..blah blah blah..

The only area where the Cardinals failed and could have / should have done something was with their middle infield. In that area of the Cardinals, they have truly failed..

Here's the link to the story: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/ ... r-undoing/

"...in season trades.." is what piqued my interest...<shrugs>

[homerawayfromhome]

I read that article too, they've added Ronny Cedeno and Randy Choate. Two minor moves to make the team better. Losing Carpenter hurt but truth be told they have depth to offset it. Losing others like say, Westbrook or Garcia to injury would really hurt, and young stud SP Tyrell Jenkins ended last season with a sore shoulder.

Fwiw, John Mo has been known to make team changing trades during the season (Colby Rasmaus). It's pretty much a wait and see approach, yes there's a gamble involved but at this point it's 50/50 odds.

The Cards are an intriguing team, one I've followed from a distance after living outside STL for a little while. They have great fans and were on the door step to the WS last yr they've changed little and could need just a nudge to put them in the WS. Of course it's way early but they certainly have a chance.

[GeronimoSon]

I read that article too, they've added Ronny Cedeno and Randy Choate. Two minor moves to make the team better. Losing Carpenter hurt but truth be told they have depth to offset it. Losing others like say, Westbrook or Garcia to injury would really hurt, and young stud SP Tyrell Jenkins ended last season with a sore shoulder.

Fwiw, John Mo has been known to make team changing trades during the season (Colby Rasmaus). It's pretty much a wait and see approach, yes there's a gamble involved but at this point it's 50/50 odds.

The Cards are an intriguing team, one I've followed from a distance after living outside STL for a little while. They have great fans and were on the door step to the WS last yr they've changed little and could need just a nudge to put them in the WS. Of course it's way early but they certainly have a chance.

homer.. yeah, there were about 9 articles posted around the web today and yesterday on the Cardinals and their general roster configuration.. The Pouliot one was the least over blown w/r to what could/should happen. Pouliot just stated "...this is what the situation is...figure it out.." The Cardinals are favored to repeat in the NL Central..but the Reds are gonna be scary good this year. It may prompt Moz to act. He may find his need for help in the mIF to be much more urgent than he's showing..

[SwisherBuck11]

...Cardinals | Rafael Furcal still feeling pain Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:13:12 -0800: St. Louis Cardinals SS Rafael Furcal (elbow) is still feeling pain in his right elbow, and he's been told to refrain from swinging left-handed or throwing with much effort. "It still hurts," Furcal said of his elbow. Asked the degree to which it hurt, Furcal answered, "A lot." Furcal hasn't had a cortisone to deal with a bone spur in his elbow and said that his elbow was "a little tight" Thursday, Feb. 21. He continues to participate in fielding drills, but he doesn't throw across the field at max effort. The team won't have him in the lineup for the spring opener or the first few games, and he'll likely be the designated hitter when he does play. St. Louis still believes he'll be ready for opening day...

Not good news for the Cardinals...

Here we go again. "WE CAN GET THIS GUY, DEMAND THIS GUY, ADD IN SOME TRASH TO BALANCE THE RETURN"

Okay.. I give up. where are we going? What guy are we getting?.. what trash?.. who said it had to balance?...oh, wait a second.. you have a personal issue with the subject matter and want to cleverly post an attitude ridden response. pssst.. don't worry, your secret is safe.. RME....

Clever? Not really, I just flat out called bullshit to the post. There's only 20+ pages of discussion with you and others about WHEN the Cardinals trade for Asdrubal Cabrera about what kind of monster return the Indians will get. My favorite was always the "if St Louis needs a little sweetener for the deal, just give them Lou Marson!"

But yeah...I have a personal issue with the subject of dealing Cabrera...something that WILL happen in 2013...that most of us believed will happen in 2012....I just cant accept what I can't control.

What makes you think the Indians are going to lower their stance on Acabs value? they wanted 3 top level guys from Philly you think its going to lower just because its St. Louis especially when we dont NEED to move him? LOL

[SwisherBuck11]

I read that article too, they've added Ronny Cedeno and Randy Choate. Two minor moves to make the team better. Losing Carpenter hurt but truth be told they have depth to offset it. Losing others like say, Westbrook or Garcia to injury would really hurt, and young stud SP Tyrell Jenkins ended last season with a sore shoulder.

Fwiw, John Mo has been known to make team changing trades during the season (Colby Rasmaus). It's pretty much a wait and see approach, yes there's a gamble involved but at this point it's 50/50 odds.

The Cards are an intriguing team, one I've followed from a distance after living outside STL for a little while. They have great fans and were on the door step to the WS last yr they've changed little and could need just a nudge to put them in the WS. Of course it's way early but they certainly have a chance.

the thing is with Carpenter probably done you can more then likley forget Miller comming back in a deal, and if Millers not comming back not sure i do a deal

[homerawayfromhome]

I read that article too, they've added Ronny Cedeno and Randy Choate. Two minor moves to make the team better. Losing Carpenter hurt but truth be told they have depth to offset it. Losing others like say, Westbrook or Garcia to injury would really hurt, and young stud SP Tyrell Jenkins ended last season with a sore shoulder.

Fwiw, John Mo has been known to make team changing trades during the season (Colby Rasmaus). It's pretty much a wait and see approach, yes there's a gamble involved but at this point it's 50/50 odds.

The Cards are an intriguing team, one I've followed from a distance after living outside STL for a little while. They have great fans and were on the door step to the WS last yr they've changed little and could need just a nudge to put them in the WS. Of course it's way early but they certainly have a chance.

the thing is with Carpenter probably done you can more then likley forget Miller comming back in a deal, and if Millers not comming back not sure i do a deal

There are some who think Trevor Rosenthal will be the better pitcher. It would take 3 rock solid guys at least or one top prospect like Miller, Rosenthal or even Oscar Tavares with two other solid pieces.

There was at one point speculation / rumors or whatever that the Tribe and Cards talked Lance Lynn, Matt Carpenter and Matt Adams for ACab. I would have done that deal. I really like Lynn and Carpenter both would be solid pieces, IMO. Lynn as a very good 3, and Carpenter as a super UTL guy 3b, 1b, OF, DH.

I think all this is worthless, at this point. Just a waste of time. Frankly, I'm ready for the season to get going, and let all these things play out....and they will, one way or another.