Spring Training 2013: News, Notes and Thoughts...

[homerawayfromhome]

Pitchers and Catchers report Sunday Feb. 10. I wanted to start this post by throwing out a few ideas here and kind of encourage a few different perspectives...

-A capsule look into a few positional battles.

-General news, notes, thoughts from Spring Training.

-A closer look at some the player who could impact the roster from prospects, to minor league invites.

As of right now the Tribes roster stands at a full 40 with 19 players receiving invites to Spring Training. There is still potential for a few moves as the Tribe lacks a DH, another possibility is adding a veteran LHRP.

[Prosecutor]

I don't think there will be any positional battles.

Stubbs in center and Brantley in left or vice versa?

Who's the 5th starter after Masterson, Jimenez, Myers, and McAllister? Bauer? Kluber? I'm assuming they'll bring Carrasco along slowly.

The top relievers are set but there might be some jockeying for the last couple of spots with the two new guys they acquired in the Choo trade. Do Hags and/or Barnes make the team out of spring training or will it be an all-veteran bullpen?

Will Droobs show up in better condition after playing a little winter ball?

Other than that I think it's just a matter of getting them ready to hopefully have a winning first half for the third season in a row.

It will be a different team with no Hafner or Choo out there. I think the most exciting part of Indians baseball the last 7-8 years was seeing Pronk digging in at the dish in a close game with runners on base and a right-handed pitcher on the hill. I'll miss watching those guys hit but it was time to move on.

[homerawayfromhome]

I don't think there will be any positional battles.

Stubbs in center and Brantley in left or vice versa?

Who's the 5th starter after Masterson, Jimenez, Myers, and McAllister? Bauer? Kluber? I'm assuming they'll bring Carrasco along slowly.

The top relievers are set but there might be some jockeying for the last couple of spots with the two new guys they acquired in the Choo trade. Do Hags and/or Barnes make the team out of spring training or will it be an all-veteran bullpen?

Will Droobs show up in better condition after playing a little winter ball?

Other than that I think it's just a matter of getting them ready to hopefully have a winning first half for the third season in a row.

It will be a different team with no Hafner or Choo out there. I think the most exciting part of Indians baseball the last 7-8 years was seeing Pronk digging in at the dish in a close game with runners on base and a right-handed pitcher on the hill. I'll miss watching those guys hit but it was time to move on.

I'm not sure positional battles was the right phrase to use there, probably should have mentioned open competition at several spots on the roster.

Outside of Chris Perez, Vinnie Pestano and Joe Smith the bullpen seems wide open. Injuries have derailed a few guys, preventing them from making an impact on the bullpen early on. C.C. Lee and Blake Wood (claimed off of waivers from KC) both should be back from TJ surgery and possibly debut mid to late summer for the Tribe.

The Tribe has a number of other arms that will likely fill out the remainder of the bullpen...

Cody Allen moved quickly the farm and made his big league debut last season as the 2nd player / pitcher from his draft class, I believe Trevor Bauer was the first.

The Tribe also acq. RHRP's Bryan Shaw and Matt Albers both formerly of the Dbax. I've read some commentary on Shaw having Closer potential, he was a closer in college but needs to get lefties out regularly in the bigs to be more effective.

Albers has been a journeyman of sorts, but is coming off of one of his best seasons between AZ and Boston. Fwiw, he was traded with Scott Posodnik for Craig Breslow last season.

Frank Herrmann is another arm who will be in competition for a BP spot. Herrmann pitched well in spots last season, and may be big league ready as a regular BP arm.

Matt Capps recently, of the Twins is returning from an injury plagued yr. Capps is certainly a wildcard and if healthy has the stuff to extend the bullpen or become a trade chip at a later point. First, he has to prove he's healthy, honestly I thought he may get a big league deal and had hoped the Tribe would roll the dice on him. He's a solid add to the pen if healthy.

A few other names who could see time in the pen during ST and maybe later this season are: Trey Haley, Preston Guilmet, and Matt Langwell. Personally, I'm hoping the Tribe develops Trey Haley as a SP. Shawn Armstrong is another name to remember, as Armstrong breezed through the minors similar to Cody Allen's progression.

Looking at the LHRP Nick Hagadone, Scott Barnes and David Huff will likely compete for the 2 open spots.

Huff has been used as a SP throughout his career but will likely finally be moved to a LHRP spot. Huffs numbers haven't overwhelmed to say the least. Personally, I'm hoping he finds his calling as a LOOGY in the pen, the Tribe would get something for their first round investment and he has the chance to solidify a much needed spot in the pen. It seems more likely he serves as a long man / spot starter at this point and could be a third LH in the bullpen.

Nick Hagadone has power stuff, and has shown flashes of immense talent but will have to prove he's the real deal as he returns from a self imposed injury to his pitching hand / wrist.

Scott Barnes is another intriguing lefty he's come up as a LHSP but moved to the pen late last season. I'd like to see Barnes developed as a SP but he's a LHRP out of necessity with Rafael Perez and Tony Sipp no longer wearing Chief Wahoo on their sleeve. Barnes pitched quite well outside of one bad outing and could really blossom as a LHRP / and potential LH setup man. IMHO, Barnes could really shine in this role.

A few other names in camp who could see some time as LHRP this yr: Scott Kazmir, Giovonni Soto and TJ House. Kazmir will likely have to prove he's back and could remain as a SP, but there is a possibility that the Tribe moves Kazmir to the pen to meet a need of a LHRP. Soto is viewed by some people as another Rafael Perez, but will likely continue to develop as a SP. House is a guy who really pitched himself onto the 40 man roster and will continue as a SP in the meantime. However, House like Soto and Kazmir could find himself eventually moved to a BP role. Another 'outside the box' name to consider for the Tribe could be TJ McFarland, who was selected by the Baltimore Orioles in the rule 5 draft. McFarland has been developed as a SP, but reportedly will be used as a LOOGY by the O's.

Overall, the Tribe has a lot depth in the bullpen and several spots open. The only locks seem to be Chris Perez, Joe Smith and Vinnie Pestano.

[Hermie13]

There should be a couple of positional battles.

Can Stubbs start against righties or will one of Fedroff/Carrera sneak in and start there?

Who's the starting DH???

[Prosecutor]

Overall, the Tribe has a lot depth in the bullpen and several spots open. The only locks seem to be Chris Perez, Joe Smith and Vinnie Pestano.

I'd say we have a lot of names, but after the Big Three and Shaw there is nobody who has proven himself at the major league level. I think the word "depth" implies you have a lot of guys who are good.

It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. Allen and Herrmann looked good last year. Barnes and Hags flashed but were inconsistent. I'm not impressed with Huff or Albers. The rest of them are former stars trying to return from injuries (Kazmir, Capps) or prospects who have worked their way to the top of the farm system and may be ready for the Show soon (Soto, Armstrong, etc).

Over the course of 162 games I think we'll see all these guys at some point or another. It's not who we break camp with, it's who we finish with.

[homerawayfromhome]

There should be a couple of positional battles.

Can Stubbs start against righties or will one of Fedroff/Carrera sneak in and start there?

Who's the starting DH???

I still think the Tribe will try to add a bat to fill the DH slot like Jim Thome or Carlos Lee. Maybe they pull off a trade with some of the bullpen depth in a minor type move but I wouldn't expect that until after ST is nearly over.

As far as Stubbs, I think he sees the majority of at bats as the everyday CF. I really don't see Stubbs as platoon type. Not saying he will always be in the lineup but will see significant at bats. I've seen Stubbs seemingly everyday for yrs. Tons of talent but expectations were over the top in Cinci and there's no way he could live up to them, IMO. All of that said I think Stubbs hits .240-250 15+hrs 30+sb.

[homerawayfromhome]

Overall, the Tribe has a lot depth in the bullpen and several spots open. The only locks seem to be Chris Perez, Joe Smith and Vinnie Pestano.

I'd say we have a lot of names, but after the Big Three and Shaw there is nobody who has proven himself at the major league level. I think the word "depth" implies you have a lot of guys who are good.

It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. Allen and Herrmann looked good last year. Barnes and Hags flashed but were inconsistent. I'm not impressed with Huff or Albers. The rest of them are former stars trying to return from injuries (Kazmir, Capps) or prospects who have worked their way to the top of the farm system and may be ready for the Show soon (Soto, Armstrong, etc).

Over the course of 162 games I think we'll see all these guys at some point or another. It's not who we break camp with, it's who we finish with.

Capps and Kazmir are intriguing. Hopefully the Tribe gets something from both, but either is low risk move with the potential for some reward. I love to Capps return healthy then that just further lengthens the Tribes bullpen and gives them a number of options.

Cody and Bryan Shaw both have options remaining and if Capps is healthy both could bumped to AAA to start. The Tribe should certainly have a number of reinforcements to choose from throughout the yr.

HBT has a brief article re: Vinnie Pestano who recently posted he's in the best shape of his career...hope it translates to the mound.

[GeronimoSon]

Inevitably around this time of year there are stories about guys coming to camp in the "cliche-ic" best condition of their life. Not a bad way to come to camp.. especially if you're Vinnie Pestano and are looking to cement your position as the # 1 option when it comes to back of the pen duties..

Travis Hafner signing by the Yankees..just made me sad.. So much power and promise for PRONK.. never realized..

Innings limit for Carlos Carrasco doesn't both me in the least.. As long as it isn't a distraction for him, there shouldn't be a problem with it.. Hopefully, Carlos will regain the form he was showing just prior to his injury...

Ubaldo & Masterson: Wouldn't it be poetry to watch both get off to great starts... beginning in spring training..

The Bullpen has about 12 guys for 7 spots.. it's going to be quite a horse race for the sixth and seventh spot in the pen during spring training.. If for no other reason that there are too many bodies/arms for the pen, look for the Indians to off load at least one and perhaps two arms for a prospect or two that have extreme upsides.

Hoynes' Mailbag piece over the weekend: blah blah blah.. Indians trade possibles are (fill in names everyone already knows).. Indians acquisition target = no one in particular... Why does he get paid for this kind of hard hitting insight?

[homerawayfromhome]

Inevitably around this time of year there are stories about guys coming to camp in the "cliche-ic" best condition of their life. Not a bad way to come to camp.. especially if you're Vinnie Pestano and are looking to cement your position as the # 1 option when it comes to back of the pen duties..

Travis Hafner signing by the Yankees..just made me sad.. So much power and promise for PRONK.. never realized..

Innings limit for Carlos Carrasco doesn't both me in the least.. As long as it isn't a distraction for him, there shouldn't be a problem with it.. Hopefully, Carlos will regain the form he was showing just prior to his injury...

Ubaldo & Masterson: Wouldn't it be poetry to watch both get off to great starts... beginning in spring training..

The Bullpen has about 12 guys for 7 spots.. it's going to be quite a horse race for the sixth and seventh spot in the pen during spring training.. If for no other reason that there are too many bodies/arms for the pen, look for the Indians to off load at least one and perhaps two arms for a prospect or two that have extreme upsides.

Hoynes' Mailbag piece over the weekend: blah blah blah.. Indians trade possibles are (fill in names everyone already knows).. Indians acquisition target = no one in particular... Why does he get paid for this kind of hard hitting insight?

Yeah, these guys are pro ball players you'd expect they show up in the best shape of their lives...not always the case though, see ACab / Jhonny P. No news is good news in this case.

The bullpen will likely be the most intriguing competition is pretty wide open outside the big three.

Carlos Carrasco is still young and has good upside, IMO. Afterall, he's pitched his way into the bigs with a somewhat shaky elbow. TJ seemingly benefits some guys and I suspect he could be one. I think we could see him make about 20 big league starts depending on when they let him loose. Could a cpl months in the minors add to the Tribes yrs of control?

[GeronimoSon]

An interest in acquiring Ryan Theriot is being claimed by Jon Heyman.. FWIW..

[homerawayfromhome]

An interest in acquiring Ryan Theriot is being claimed by Jon Heyman.. FWIW..

I like the idea of adding Theriot. Of course the Tribe would have some further infield depth with which they could work.

[GeronimoSon]

An interest in acquiring Ryan Theriot is being claimed by Jon Heyman.. FWIW..

I like the idea of adding Theriot. Of course the Tribe would have some further infield depth with which they could work.

I'd look at a Theriot acquisition as a marginally better player than Juan Diaz or Cord Phelps, but, only because of his experience in the major leagues. Given the same opportunity to play, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to believe Diaz or Phelps would be Theriot's equal or better.. have the same or more pop with the bat.. They just doesn't have the ability to play SS on an everyday basis...but, then, neither does Theriot....

In short.. it's an unneeded use of scarce resources..

[homerawayfromhome]

I'm curious why the Tribe wants another UTL type. Perhaps bc they expect Aviles in the lineup somewhere daily...going w/o a true DH type and then back fill the super UTL spot with Ryan Theriot. He should be had cheap and could be a nice veteran bench piece...why I like him. Hopefully, they get him on a minor league deal, he makes the club good, if not they simply can move on. Another thought is it could be to give themselves more options later, who to keep, move etc. Could it be influenced by a nearing arb hearing for Mike Aviles? They may be unhappy with how that's went so far and are keeping the options open.

[GoTribe028]

I'm curious why the Tribe wants another UTL type. Perhaps bc they expect Aviles in the lineup somewhere daily...going w/o a true DH type and then back fill the super UTL spot with Ryan Theriot. He should be had cheap and could be a nice veteran bench piece...why I like him. Hopefully, they get him on a minor league deal, he makes the club good, if not they simply can move on. Another thought is it could be to give themselves more options later, who to keep, move etc. Could it be influenced by a nearing arb hearing for Mike Aviles? They may be unhappy with how that's went so far and are keeping the options open.

I think them wanting more depth is due to the fact that niether Cord Phelps or Juan Diaz are worthy of roster spots for anything other than fill in for injury roles. Doubt Mike Aviles is bothering anyone except fans who are bored. He'll get a deal. If he goes to arbitration, so what? He'll either get what he wants or he wont. It's up to him to be a pro's pro and do the job the team gives him.

[homerawayfromhome]

I'm curious why the Tribe wants another UTL type. Perhaps bc they expect Aviles in the lineup somewhere daily...going w/o a true DH type and then back fill the super UTL spot with Ryan Theriot. He should be had cheap and could be a nice veteran bench piece...why I like him. Hopefully, they get him on a minor league deal, he makes the club good, if not they simply can move on. Another thought is it could be to give themselves more options later, who to keep, move etc. Could it be influenced by a nearing arb hearing for Mike Aviles? They may be unhappy with how that's went so far and are keeping the options open.

I think them wanting more depth is due to the fact that niether Cord Phelps or Juan Diaz are worthy of roster spots for anything other than fill in for injury roles. Doubt Mike Aviles is bothering anyone except fans who are bored. He'll get a deal. If he goes to arbitration, so what? He'll either get what he wants or he wont. It's up to him to be a pro's pro and do the job the team gives him.

Agreed, I still think they get something done. I seriously doubt the Tribe acq. him to flip him FWIW...he's played for Francona before and offers a solid piece for the lineup / utility role, but will get near everyday at bats. Personally, I think the Tribe wants to avoid the arb hearing if at all possible, of course without overpaying.

[Prosecutor]

I have to believe they will sign a DH. If the season started tomorrow, who would DH? The candidates would be Aviles, McGuiness, and Fedroff or Carrera. Am I missing anybody? Gomes? Marson? Come on.

If the DH rotates between Santana, Kipnis, Cabrera, Chisenhall, Brantley, Stubbs, and Swisher (depending on who is getting a day off), then in effect the DH is Aviles, Marson, or Fedroff/Carrera - whichever one is in the field that day.

That's ridiculous. They have to add another bat.

As for the bullpen, after Perez, Pestano, Smith and Shaw I expect a season-long revolving door with about 7-8 guys competing at Cleveland and Columbus for the last 3-4 spots. I think it's unlikely that whoever they start out with will remain the entire season. Although I'll be disappointed if Allen doesn't.

I'm hoping Allen, Barnes and Armstrong will have nailed down spots in the pen by the second half. The young up-and-comers.

The keys to the season for me are for Chisenhall and Carrasco to have breakthrough seasons and emerge as future stars. I love Chisenhall's swing and with the additional muscle he could be a force if he can stay healthy. Carrasco was downright filthy in the last 5-7 starts before his arm gave out last year. He's reportedly throwing in the high 90's.

It would also be huge if Stubbs could take advantage of the fresh start and modest expectations to just relax and hit .250, which combined with his speed and defense would make him a solid everyday player.

I'm optimistic that Masterson can get back to his 2011 form since he didn't have surgery this year and was able to go about his normal preparations.

We won't compete with Detroit even in the best case scenario, so Perez and Asdrubal should be moved at the deadline. Maybe Reynolds and Ubaldo as well if they're having good years. Should be interesting.

[GeronimoSon]

DH: The Indians decided after PRONK's last season with Chief Wahoo on his sleeve that there would be no "DH only" players on the roster. FWIW, it's not a bad decision given the choices the Indians have on their current roster. There are only a handful of teams that have a "DH only" and David Ortiz is the only one that consistently puts up the kind of numbers that was envisioned when the DH was created.

W/R to who would DH if the season started tomorrow.. the best choice might be Mark Reynolds if Mark Buehrle is the opening day starter. In fact, just about every time the opposition has an LHSP, Mark Reynolds should DH, Carlos Santana should play 1B and Lou Marson should be the catcher.

The Pen: The most volatile and solid part of the Indians roster heading into Spring Training.. The youngsters mentioned, Allen, Barnes and Armstrong (perhaps add Haley).. all making their way and staying at the ML level would be just fine.. Hell, it would be better than just fine...

Starting Rotation: Without comeback seasons for both Masterson and Ubaldo, this could end up being a position of strength, or, if these two have poor seasons, this could be an area of weakness. There is not enough depth or talent that is ready in the Indians minor league system to come to the rescue. It's a "sink or swim" scenario and it makes me nervous..

Additions: If the Indians were to consider making an addition via free agency or trade, then it should be for a MOR/FOR SP followed by a guy who can act as a DH or play a position that would allow either Mark Reynolds to DH or Nick Swisher to play 1B more often. {The names Franklin Gutierrez and Justin Smoak could be just what the Indians need to round out the position player portion of their 25 man roster}. But make no mistake about it, the priority has to remain on improving the starting staff.. like signing Kyle Lohse or making a trade for an SP that is ML ready and has some upside...

One more trade/move would appear to be needed.... just one good one...

[homerawayfromhome]

Agreed the rotation needs upgraded first. I like the idea of Justin Smoak, he could be a buy low steal. Personally, I think he does better away from Seattle.

[GeronimoSon]

Agreed the rotation needs upgraded first. I like the idea of Justin Smoak, he could be a buy low steal. Personally, I think he does better away from Seattle.

From a value/buy low/steal perspective...

Justin Smoak has one thing going for him that might make him a better target as a buy low kind of acquisition: He has one minor league option remaining. There was an article at U.S.S. Mariner that showed the stark reality of what Justin Smoak has accomplished in his time in the major leagues. Essentially, the statistics illustrated that Justing Smoak had undergone three steps in his development as a major league hitter.. His initial foray into the ML's: 370 AB's, the "bad middle": 810 AB's and the September 2012 finish: 77 AB's. The September finish statistically isn't significant other than it was the first time since his debut that Smoak sustained any semblance of making/becoming an impact hitter. It would not be the first time a power hitter required more time to develop that power.. On another note.. Justin Smoak was more highly rated as a prospect than Mike Olt at the same point in their development.. fwiw..

[GeronimoSon]

On another subject.. the speculation is starting to boil over with respect to the Biogenesis Laboratory near the University of Miami, Florida. Indians closer, Chris Perez, went there.. and was there when Ryan Braun was there.. hmm?.. Is it time to smear CP's good name w/o the benefit of a shred of evidence soon?

[homerawayfromhome]

Smoak hit much better on the road last season, here's a look at his splits per fan graphs...

Home .198 BA 4 hrs 18 RBI 232 PA
Road .235 BA 15 hrs 33 RBI 251 PA

The Mariners have depth in 1b / DH types and seemingly have grown inpatient with the young hitter. He's still young enough to get it together as a hitter. He seems like he could increase production / get better results in another uniform, and could be an expendable part for the Mariners.

[GeronimoSon]

Smoak hit much better on the road last season, here's a look at his splits per fan graphs...

Home .198 BA 4 hrs 18 RBI 232 PA
Road .235 BA 15 hrs 33 RBI 251 PA

The Mariners have depth in 1b / DH types and seemingly have grown inpatient with the young hitter. He's still young enough to get it together as a hitter. He seems like he could increase production / get better results in another uniform, and could be an expendable part for the Mariners.

Justin Smoak has a couple of oddities in his stats.. the home/away splits are pretty clear: He likes hitting anywhere but Safeco... There was also a note about his switch hitting.. something to the effect that he wasn't going to bat RH'd again (i.e. face LHP's). Did you see anything that would support that kind of statement?. When you look at his minor league splits and major league splits..it's pretty clear that he's always struggled batting RH'ds...

[Edible14]

I have to believe they will sign a DH. If the season started tomorrow, who would DH? The candidates would be Aviles, McGuiness, and Fedroff or Carrera. Am I missing anybody? Gomes? Marson? Come on.

If the DH rotates between Santana, Kipnis, Cabrera, Chisenhall, Brantley, Stubbs, and Swisher (depending on who is getting a day off), then in effect the DH is Aviles, Marson, or Fedroff/Carrera - whichever one is in the field that day.

That's ridiculous. They have to add another bat.

I think the theory goes that if you're constantly rotating people to DH to get them some rest, you'll see an uptick in their performance. You're also less likely to see them get injured, which would take away their overall production for chunks of the season. You'll also get better defensive production from rested guys. I'm not sure I buy it, but there's at least some logic to it.

The larger reason I don't buy it is that I'm not convinced that DH'ing really gives a "rest" that much. 95% of the "work" a player does on any given day is preparation (stretching, working out, drills, etc.). Baseball is actually a pretty low-intensity sport, it's not like playing shortstop involves so much that a professional athlete needs a day off from it. If you're the DH, aren't you still doing all the prep work to be ready for baserunning and whatnot?

[Prosecutor]

I think the theory goes that if you're constantly rotating people to DH to get them some rest, you'll see an uptick in their performance. You're also less likely to see them get injured, which would take away their overall production for chunks of the season. You'll also get better defensive production from rested guys. I'm not sure I buy it, but there's at least some logic to it.

The larger reason I don't buy it is that I'm not convinced that DH'ing really gives a "rest" that much. 95% of the "work" a player does on any given day is preparation (stretching, working out, drills, etc.). Baseball is actually a pretty low-intensity sport, it's not like playing shortstop involves so much that a professional athlete needs a day off from it. If you're the DH, aren't you still doing all the prep work to be ready for baserunning and whatnot?

That's a really good question and I've wondered that myself. But I think if you're the DH all you really have to do is stretch out and take some BP before the game. You don't have to be on your feet for nine innings when the team is in the field. This helps especially if you're a shortstop and you have to move around a lot even when the ball isn't hit to you; backing up throws, covering bases, taking relays from the outfield, etc.

I can see Francona having Asdrubal DH the day before an off day so he gets two days of rest. Then have Kipnis DH the day after the off day. They're giving Aviles $3 million this year, so he'll be playing a lot.

I like your point about how resting players increases their productivity both offensively and defensively. Hope it works out that way.

[homerawayfromhome]

I think the theory goes that if you're constantly rotating people to DH to get them some rest, you'll see an uptick in their performance. You're also less likely to see them get injured, which would take away their overall production for chunks of the season. You'll also get better defensive production from rested guys. I'm not sure I buy it, but there's at least some logic to it.

The larger reason I don't buy it is that I'm not convinced that DH'ing really gives a "rest" that much. 95% of the "work" a player does on any given day is preparation (stretching, working out, drills, etc.). Baseball is actually a pretty low-intensity sport, it's not like playing shortstop involves so much that a professional athlete needs a day off from it. If you're the DH, aren't you still doing all the prep work to be ready for baserunning and whatnot?

That's a really good question and I've wondered that myself. But I think if you're the DH all you really have to do is stretch out and take some BP before the game. You don't have to be on your feet for nine innings when the team is in the field. This helps especially if you're a shortstop and you have to move around a lot even when the ball isn't hit to you; backing up throws, covering bases, taking relays from the outfield, etc.

I can see Francona having Asdrubal DH the day before an off day so he gets two days of rest. Then have Kipnis DH the day after the off day. They're giving Aviles $3 million this year, so he'll be playing a lot.

I like your point about how resting players increases their productivity both offensively and defensively. Hope it works out that way.

Some good points here, I think not having to go through the grind of the game defensively does keep players fresh. Ideally, using the DH spot this way enables the team to do exactly, that keeping guys fresh by alleviating innings on the field. Essentially, Mike Aviles is going to be an everyday player but his position will change day to day unless injury hits somewhere in the INF.

[Chip Davis]

The "grind" isn't limited to being an issue physically. The mental grind of a 162 game schedule is a larger hurdle than the physical aspect if healthy. Remember, most players play some sort of winter ball too, then there is spring training and the regular season with playoffs afterwords for some. I remember during a season of summer ball, we played 22 games in 16 days. I was mentally and emotionally sick of baseball while physically I felt no different, and I love the game. Of coarse I wasn't being paid to play either.

[homerawayfromhome]

The "grind" isn't limited to being an issue physically. The mental grind of a 162 game schedule is a larger hurdle than the physical aspect if healthy. Remember, most players play some sort of winter ball too, then there is spring training and the regular season with playoffs afterwords for some. I remember during a season of summer ball, we played 22 games in 16 days. I was mentally and emotionally sick of baseball while physically I felt no different, and I love the game. Of coarse I wasn't being paid to play either.

I think that's a excellent point, being away from friends family, home in general can be fatiguing mentally to some of these young guys. While a lot of these guys adapt its harder for some depending on what's going on back home some times, it does way heavily on their minds at time.

[homerawayfromhome]

I have to admit I really like the aggressive late approach by the Tribe scooping up some reasonable pieces as ST qkly nears. In the past 2 weeks I believe they've added a number of real depth options in Matt Capps, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Rich Hill and Jason Giambi.

An interesting side note Giambi interviewed for a managerial position with the Rockies, he seems like he could bring an interesting element for the bench. Giambi is 42, but I think the Tribe might get 250 AB's and some veteran presence on the bench, he's not just a PH either, he can still play the field a bit at 1b.

Rich Hill could be in the hunt for a LHRP spot if he's healthy. He posted some solid numbers at the end of last season but has dealt with some injuries in recent yrs which have truly hampered him.

Dice-K could be a serviceable arm for the 5th spot. He will have to pitch his way into the rotation, but he has a chance at the 5th SP coming out of ST. Ironically, I'm wearing a Dice-K shirt I found on the clearance rack for something like $2 a few yrs back...that's telling how his MLB career has went...

Matt Capps is a nice BP arm, he certainly gives the Tribe another option if he's healthy. He missed a large part of the end of last season struggling with some shoulder problems so he has to show it on the mound this spring.

In all, some nice late additions by the Tribe which should give them some depth to work with going forward.

[homerawayfromhome]

Of the four signings I mentioned above, I'm not sure I see the point on Giambi unless, it's entirely about a veteran bat for the bench. Seems like McGuiness, McDade, and even Gomes could have used those at bats. I like making them earn it, and it seems Giambi isn't a shoe in to get the spot, but at this point I think they may have provided similar production if given an opportunity.

[GeronimoSon]

Of the four signings I mentioned above, I'm not sure I see the point on Giambi unless, it's entirely about a veteran bat for the bench. Seems like McGuiness, McDade, and even Gomes could have used those at bats. I like making them earn it, and it seems Giambi isn't a shoe in to get the spot, but at this point I think they may have provided similar production if given an opportunity.

It could be inferred from the interview Francona did on the MLB Network (..when he stated: "..Jeter is my favorite player that wasn't on my team...") that the same kind of respect/admiration may exist between Giambi and Francona. Tito may be allowing Giambi one more chance to play in the big leagues as nothing more than a show of respect.. If it doesn't work out, then no harm done.. or, Giambi makes his move to the coaching/managing side of the business while wearing chief wahoo on his sleeve. Either way, the Indians organization is enriched because of the relationship...

You don't think admitting to owning and or wearing a Dice-K shirt is embarrassing???????????

[Edible14]

I like the signings, as depth signings at least. I think if the season started now Dice-K isn't in the rotation, but who knows what will happen in spring training with injuries and whatnot. He's a better fall-back option than Corey Kluber. I wonder how much is left in the tank for Giambi. He basically has to beat out McGuinness (who would be given back if he doesn't make the team, so we know where Giambi's spot would come from), and that's not even a sure thing.

Capps, and now Rich Hill, are good adds to the bullpen mix. Not just if people get hurt, either. I can see a scenario where Hill makes the bullpen over Huff, with Barnes as the longman lefty.

[homerawayfromhome]

Of the four signings I mentioned above, I'm not sure I see the point on Giambi unless, it's entirely about a veteran bat for the bench. Seems like McGuiness, McDade, and even Gomes could have used those at bats. I like making them earn it, and it seems Giambi isn't a shoe in to get the spot, but at this point I think they may have provided similar production if given an opportunity.

It could be inferred from the interview Francona did on the MLB Network (..when he stated: "..Jeter is my favorite player that wasn't on my team...") that the same kind of respect/admiration may exist between Giambi and Francona. Tito may be allowing Giambi one more chance to play in the big leagues as nothing more than a show of respect.. If it doesn't work out, then no harm done.. or, Giambi makes his move to the coaching/managing side of the business while wearing chief wahoo on his sleeve. Either way, the Indians organization is enriched because of the relationship...

You don't think admitting to owning and or wearing a Dice-K shirt is embarrassing???????????

Lol, it's was only $2 and I bought it as an under shirt for work...

Agreed, it doesn't hurt to add a vet like Giambi on a minor league deal. Could break his teeth somewhere in the org. as a coach one day, maybe that was part of the idea.

[Prosecutor]

Rich Hill pitched very well for the Red Sox last year after returning from TJ surgery he underwent in June, 2011. He had a 1.83 ERA and gave up no earned runs in his last ten appearances with an average of 10.6 K's per 9. His BB rate was a little high at 5.0 per 9, but that's normal after TJ.

This is an under-the-radar signing that could pay off nicely for the Tribe, especially with the loss of Raffie, and especially if Barnes and Hags aren't ready yet.

Dice K is another guy coming off TJ, so maybe he can make it back, but I think he's going to need more time.

[GeronimoSon]

Rich Hill pitched very well for the Red Sox last year after returning from TJ surgery he underwent in June, 2011. He had a 1.83 ERA and gave up no earned runs in his last ten appearances with an average of 10.6 K's per 9. His BB rate was a little high at 5.0 per 9, but that's normal after TJ.

This is an under-the-radar signing that could pay off nicely for the Tribe, especially with the loss of Raffie, and especially if Barnes and Hags aren't ready yet.

Dice K is another guy coming off TJ, so maybe he can make it back, but I think he's going to need more time.

Dice-K was about a year and a week from the time he had TJ Surgery to the time he started his first game back for the Red Sawx. His MiLB numbers in preparation for the return to the major leagues were above average/ok.. but nothing that could be interpreted as ready to regain the form he showed in his rookie season with the Red Sox. In fact, since his rookie season, he's been the epitome of mediocre.. Perhaps, in a new venue, now more than 20 months removed from TJ surgery, the bite on his breaking pitches and the form he showed commanding his pitches will return. If it does, good for the Indians..If it doesn't, then it's just a MiLB signing that didn't work out..

[homerawayfromhome]

Thinking out loud here a bit...

What will the Tribe do if Jimenez looks erratic this spring and others such as, Matsuzaka and Kazmir look good?

Would they relegate Jimenez to a long relief spot or try to flip him?

[GeronimoSon]

Thinking out loud here a bit...

What will the Tribe do if Jimenez looks erratic this spring and others such as, Matsuzaka and Kazmir look good?

Would they relegate Jimenez to a long relief spot or try to flip him?

Flipping him would mean some other team's GM has lost his mind or they think they can fix whatever ails Ubaldo...I wouldn't even try to guess what little value he'd have in trade right now.....

Now.. If Dice-K and Kazmir both look good, I think it's time to buy a lotto ticket, perhaps even bet on some long shots in the Santa Anita. In any event Tito would love to have that problem.. It might even wake up some of the town.. we'll see.. It's still spring training.. Truthfully, what will happen will be the completion of Spring Training before deciding if one or both of these guys, Kazmir or Dice-K, have regained their form and give the Indians the best chance to win...then I can see one of two things happening:

-Tito puts Ubaldo and his inability to throw strike one in the bullpen.. with that, Indian fans are going to be thrilled with springs of Z-Mac, Carrasco, Myers and Masterson. I certainly hope this is the case, regardless of how Ubaldo looks in the Spring.

or

-Tito gives Ubaldo at least the first few months of the season, while perhaps Kazmir and / or Dice-K continue to prepare in extended Spring Training in Arizona. It will give either or both of them an opportunity to truly prepare for a full season. We have to resign ourselves to the notion that Ubaldo is making this team even if he can't find home plate with a map and a guide dog.. He might be stuck in the pen to straighten himself.. but only after a number of starts to begin the season..

Tito, like most of the Tribe fans know: IF Ubaldo doesn't pitch well, the Indians have a much more difficult season w/r to being successful.. So, if he's gonna need time, better now, that is, earlier in the season than later in the season, when it might really matter.. The first month or two of the season seems to be the most likely time to find out just exactly what Ubaldo will be bringing to the table in the 2013 season..

It should be interesting & fun seeing how he does to start the new season...

[homerawayfromhome]

I'm looking forward to see spring training begin to fire up. Hopefully, the Tribe will be in the spot light a bit more this yr with the recent additions of Swisher, Bourn, Stubbs, Bauer and others.

Looking at the bench the Tribe will certainly have a number of options. As of right now I'm going to assume the lineup will primarily consist of the following:

CF Bourn
2b Kipnis
SS Cabrera
RF Swisher
C Santana
DH Reynolds
LF Brantley
3b Chisenhall
RF Stubbs

That leaves a projected bench of:

Aviles
Marson
Giambi
Carrera
Raburn

Right now, I'd project Marson as the backup C solely on his defensive prowess. Aviles is a lock as a super UTL and could become a starter on a moments notice for whatever reason. Giambi is certainly no lock for a roster spot, but is an intriguing guy bc he's interested in managing and adds a veteran LH bat / pinch hitter. Carrera is out of options and I doubt the Tribe will simply dump him, Carrera seems likely to serve as a pinch runner / 4th OF. Raburn seems like he could snag a bench spot but will have to earn it, Raburn will have impress with his bat and show some versatility in the field.

Others:

Yan Gomes
Cord Phelps
Juan Diaz
Chris McGuiness
Tim Fedroff
Mike McDade

It seems likely one these guys won't be on the roster much longer, as adding Michael Bourn to the 40 man roster seems to be imminent. Gomes seems likely to end up in AAA as the starting C, although he will be in the competition for a bench spot. Phelps seems like he has minimal value and is a DFA candidate at this point, but does SH which could mean he is kept over Diaz. Diaz seems to eventually find himself elsewhere, the only question at this point seems to be when, but has some value bc he plays SS and might still fill out his frame. McGuinness will have to earn a spot in the 25 man roster or go back to the TX Rangers, it is possible the Tribe acq. his full rights from the Rangers to send him to AAA. Fedroff seems like a lock to land in AAA, but may be an option at a later point. McDade could be a DFA candidate, he SH and seems likely to open in AAA.

A final small note, the Tribe has continued interest in Ryan Theriot as a bench / UTL type on a minor league deal. If signed he'd add a veteran presence to the bench and would seem likely to win a spot, if signed.

[daingean]

Here's how I think the opening 25 will look:

C. Santana
N. Swisher
J. Kipnis
L. Chisenhall
A. Cabrera
M. Brantley
M. Bourn
D. Stubbs
M. Reynolds

Bench: Marson, Aviles, Carrera, Gomes

Masterson, Jimenez, McAllister, Meyers, Bauer

C.Perez, Pestano, J. Smith, Albers, Shaw, Kasmir, Carrasco

I see the Indians treating Carrasco like the Braves treated Medlen (Braves) and using him in relief until mid season. 1 lefty pitcher on the entire staff will be a weakness but I'd rather have the best pitchers on the roster. I could see a move of a relief pitcher (i.e. J. Smith or Albers) for a lefty towards the end of ST. This is taking into account who is on the roster now.

[GeronimoSon]

Dain.. interesting POV:

...I see the Indians treating Carrasco like the Braves treated Medlen (Braves) and using him in relief until mid season...

Another "path" to the major leagues might include having Carrasco stay in the warmth of AZ for extended ST while the squad heads north. As a TJ returnee, he can be placed on the DL without issue. This would give the two vet studs a chance to show their wares early.. and further reduce the overall workload on Carrasco in his return season..but I do like the idea that he'd be in the pen to start his way back to the rotation.. that makes a lot of sense...

[homerawayfromhome]

Dain.. interesting POV:

...I see the Indians treating Carrasco like the Braves treated Medlen (Braves) and using him in relief until mid season...

Another "path" to the major leagues might include having Carrasco stay in the warmth of AZ for extended ST while the squad heads north. As a TJ returnee, he can be placed on the DL without issue. This would give the two vet studs a chance to show their wares early.. and further reduce the overall workload on Carrasco in his return season..but I do like the idea that he'd be in the pen to start his way back to the rotation.. that makes a lot of sense...

Living in ATL Braves country I thought the same thing...

Btw, agree with Daingean we could see the Tribe make a move for a LH during ST. Personally, I hoping Rich Hill looks solid and the Indians are able to invest resources else where.

[Prosecutor]

I have to believe they will sign a DH. If the season started tomorrow, who would DH? The candidates would be Aviles, McGuiness, and Fedroff or Carrera. Am I missing anybody? Gomes? Marson? Come on.

If the DH rotates between Santana, Kipnis, Cabrera, Chisenhall, Brantley, Stubbs, and Swisher (depending on who is getting a day off), then in effect the DH is Aviles, Marson, or Fedroff/Carrera - whichever one is in the field that day.

That's ridiculous. They have to add another bat.

Guess I was right. They added a bat. Expecting a group consisting of Aviles, Marson, and Carrera to effectively share the DH duties is like having a group consisting of Damon, Duncan, and Cunningham to platoon in left field.

[homerawayfromhome]

Having Reynolds as the (nearly) everyday DH should benefit him. While I think they'll rotate guys there still as planned, Id guess Reynolds now gets about 60-80 games at DH unless there is a trade of Brantley / Stubbs or an injury.

Fwiw,

My 2013 projections for Reynolds...
.230 BA 30 hrs 30 dbls 85 RBI 180 K

[Hermie13]

Here's how I think the opening 25 will look:

C. Santana
N. Swisher
J. Kipnis
L. Chisenhall
A. Cabrera
M. Brantley
M. Bourn
D. Stubbs
M. Reynolds

Bench: Marson, Aviles, Carrera, Gomes

Masterson, Jimenez, McAllister, Meyers, Bauer

C.Perez, Pestano, J. Smith, Albers, Shaw, Kasmir, Carrasco

I see the Indians treating Carrasco like the Braves treated Medlen (Braves) and using him in relief until mid season. 1 lefty pitcher on the entire staff will be a weakness but I'd rather have the best pitchers on the roster. I could see a move of a relief pitcher (i.e. J. Smith or Albers) for a lefty towards the end of ST. This is taking into account who is on the roster now.

I agree with your position players as of now though think Giambi could knock Carrera or Gomes out.

I still think Bauer opens in AAA. Tribe has added enough pitching depth that I think they'll keep him down til May. Also think Hagadone has to be a front runner for a bullpen job.

[homerawayfromhome]

Here's my guess on the EARLY 25 man roster barring trade / injury...

Lineup:

CF Bourn
2b Kipnis
SS ACab
1b Swisher
C Santana
DH Reynolds
LF Brantley
3b Chisenhall
RF Stubbs

Bench:

Aviles
Marson
Giambi
Carrera
Raburn

SP:

Masterson
Jimenez
Myers
McAllister
Carrasco

RP:

Perez
Pestano
Smith
Capps
Hill
Albers
Huff

I think some others like; Gomes, Shaw, Allen, Matsuzaka, and Bauer could all open in AAA.

[daingean]

I'm not real optimistic with Giambi a 42 year old power hitter that lost his power. I'd rather have a stronger BP by carrying an extra arm than Giambi unless he really lights it up in ST.

[dazindiansfanuk]

Homer..... that's a 26-man roster.

Probably gonna just be a 4-man bench, so drop one and you're there.

[Hermie13]

I'm not real optimistic with Giambi a 42 year old power hitter that lost his power. I'd rather have a stronger BP by carrying an extra arm than Giambi unless he really lights it up in ST.

Giambi's power did vanish but still put up a solid OBP last year, and the Tribe still like guys like that. Carrying an extra bullpen arm doesn't necessarily mean its a stronger pen. Too many guys in a pen can lead to lack of work and struggles with inconsistency. I don't doubt at some point you'll see an 8 man pen but makes very little sense to open with one IMO.

Not overly thrilled with Giambi though. Would prefer a guy like Carp or a whole host of other lefties to add to the bench (someone with some power), but just have a feeling that Giambi will sneak onto this roster.

[GeronimoSon]

Jerry Crasnick at ESPN has a story about Drew Stubbs up from yesterday afternoon. (link: http://espn.go.com/blog/spring-training ... rew-stubbs ) essentially the article says..keep it simple stupid. What a great idea !!

[homerawayfromhome]

Homer..... that's a 26-man roster.

Probably gonna just be a 4-man bench, so drop one and you're there.

that's funny...

I'm doing the juggling act right now, was trying to hurry up before I went to a morning class. Taking five grad level courses can be time consuming with other responsibilities too.

I'd simply drop Giambi off that list, he's a guy I could see making it early and fading...

[Prosecutor]

Jerry Crasnick at ESPN has a story about Drew Stubbs up from yesterday afternoon. (link: http://espn.go.com/blog/spring-training ... rew-stubbs ) essentially the article says..keep it simple stupid. What a great idea !!

It makes sense for him to try and simplify his approach to make more consistent contact. It's ridiculous for a guy with his speed to use a leg kick and go for home runs. He needs to get on base.

At the moment everything is wonderful. Stubbs spent the offseason working on cutting down on his strikeouts and making better contact. Asdrubal showed up noticably lighter and said he worked out the entire offseason. Kazmir is supposed to be throwing 95 mph, and so is Carrasco. Bourn and Swisher are thrilled to be here and ready to rock-and-roll. Dice K is re-energized by playing for Francona again. All is wonderful in Tribeland.

Just wondering how long until reality smacks us in the face.

Anyway, if McGuiness doesn't make the team we lose him. So why would they keep a 42-year-old left-handed power hitter (or possibly a former power hitter) if it's going to cost them a 25-year-old left-handed power hitter who could realistically have a future in the bigs?

It's not like they have a young team and need a "clubhouse presence". The team is all veterans now, with the exceptions of Chiz, Bauer, and maybe Hags or Barnes if they make it. Swish, Bourn, Reynolds, Droobs, Stubbs, Brantley, Masterson, Ubaldo, Myers, Santana, Rage...all these guys have been in the league for a while. Why do we need Giambi, unless they think McGuiness can't play at this level?