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[GeronimoSon]

Happy New Year peeps!

Now onto business....FWIW

@ProspectInsider: Hearing Mariners have progressed in trade talks for a hitter. Indications it's Ethier. Multiple players involved.

HNY backatcha and to everyone else who posts on these forums.. Let's look forward to a real Indian summer.. now.. back to the "whisper"...

Maybe multiple teams too?..when whoever the source is knows that it's multiple players, then the rumor usually isn't 'thin' on facts.. We'll see...

[GoTribe028]

Basically agree on the Ethier rumor, Jason Churchill is the only person who's posted anything about it, like I said, for what it's worth.

In other news

@JonHeymanCBS: miguel tejada signed a minor-league deal with #royals. gets invite to big-league camp.

[homerawayfromhome]

Heyman mentioned the other day the Mariners had interest, doesn't make the rumors legit. I would think it's safe to assume they probably have called about Either and probably did talk about what it would take...

Here's another thought to entertain, there are several known commodities that are available on the trade mkt. Justin Upton, Jason Kubel, ACab and maybe Either. The Mariners want to upgrade their offense and have a deep minor league system with young talent SP to deal. ACab could be a guy that is dealt at some point.

Draft pk comp. seems to holding the mkt on a number of guys / teams. Personally, this is where I think teams will look at secondary FA and look to continue to bolster their rosters via trades.

Here's a quick rundown of some of the more recognizable names that were moved prior to the start of Spring Training...
(During: January and February 2012).

Jason Frasor - RHRP from the WSox to Jays
Seth Smith - OF from the Rox to the A's
Jeremy Horst - LHRP from the Reds to the Phillies for Wilson Valdez - SS
Chris Carpenter - RHRP from the Cubs to the Red Sox
Jeremy Guthrie - RHSP from the O's to the Rox for Jason Hammel - RHSP and Matt Lindstrom - RHRP
AJ Burnett - RHSP from the Yanks to the Pirates
Russ Canzler - 1b from the Rays to the Tribe

The larger deals are probably done for the most part but teams will remain active up until Spring Training. Personally, I think the draft pk comp. has changed the landscape a bit and IMHO, teams will continue to shop to fill needs more aggressively in trades than previously.

[homerawayfromhome]

As the Tribe scours the mkt for pitching it seems they may have to be creative to either sign another FA or work another trade. Jake Westbrook's name really snagged my attention, he was mentioned by both Tony and Geronimo Son in the last wk as a possible trade target.

The Cards could look to move the veteran innings eater to free some cash to sign Kyle Lohse. The Tribe and Cards have supposedly discussed a number of trade options. The Cards were supposedly highly interested in ACab earlier this offseason. It seems like there could be some kind of match between the two clubs, if its a deal to land Westbrook and another young arm or something a bit smaller to land Westbrook, it seems there could be something go down between the clubs at some point.

The Tribe could also look to move ACab and / or Chris Perez to free some extra money to spend on another FA or two, while acquiring some young MLB ready talent - preferably another SP or two.

The Tribe could simply look to fill their pitching void through FA like Lohse, Marcum, Myers, Saunders. Lohse would cost the Tribe a third rd draft pk and the draft pool money associated with it. IMO, now would be the time to invest in another FA bc the penalty (draft pk comp) would be minimized, only a 3rd, instead of a 1st, in comparison to what it would / could be in 2014.

Here's a link to an article I read earlier today...
http://wahoosonfirst.com/2013/01/01/why ... yle-lohse/

[dazindiansfanuk]

Chris Cotillo ‏@TradeDeadliner
Seeing reports of Brett Myers signing with the #Indians. That is unconfirmed but seems to be a good possibility.

Not sure who this Chris Cotillo guy is..... some 17 year old kid according to his twitter page.

But, hey, it's a rumor.

[GoTribe028]

Chris Cotillo ‏@TradeDeadliner
Seeing reports of Brett Myers signing with the #Indians. That is unconfirmed but seems to be a good possibility.

Not sure who this Chris Cotillo guy is..... some 17 year old kid according to his twitter page.

But, hey, it's a rumor.

He's a fraud. Makes up shit worse than the National Enquirer. Hes been doing this on Twitter for some time.

EDIT: FWIW if you want a guy who occasionally puts out rumors that have legs to the check out @incarceratedbob

He was actually Tweeting about Swisher signing with the Indians weeks before it really got heated up between them. He's a gambler apparently so if he's even a little legit he has some form of connections around the sports world.

[GoTribe028]

Chris Cotillo ‏@TradeDeadliner
Seeing reports of Brett Myers signing with the #Indians. That is unconfirmed but seems to be a good possibility.

Not sure who this Chris Cotillo guy is..... some 17 year old kid according to his twitter page.

But, hey, it's a rumor.

Matt Loede of 92.3 actually picked up the report too. Interesting. Ok I'll eat crow if it happens but that Cotillo kid has in the past put out A LOT of BS, especially when he doesn't claim a source. We shall see what happens.

[A.Zajac]

More reports seeming to indicate Myers will sign with us. Love the move if it becomes reality.

[GoTribe028]

More reports seeming to indicate Myers will sign with us. Love the move if it becomes reality.

Me too, just seems strange considering the source that first reported it

Hwres the original tweet that the kid got the story from

@GeneFrenette: Former Englewood H. pitcher Brett Myers declined option to stay with White Sox, will sign with #Indians tomorrow as starter pending physical

[GeronimoSon]

I just don't see the Brett Myers acquisition, if this story has any truth to it.. He's been a reliever for nearly for 2 1/2 years of the last 6.. He was a mediocre below average start in the NL prior to becoming a so-so reliever in both the AL and NL as he bounced between Philadelphia, Houston and Chicago. He only pitched 34 inning in 2012, all in relief. He had two bad outings in 2012 for the CWSox.. both against the Royals.. He made $ 11 MM for this pitching display.. He's not worth what the Rays gave Fausto on a one year deal..imho..

[homerawayfromhome]

If it's true, I like the Brett Myers signing for the Indians. Myers provides the Indians a serviceable innings eater starting pitcher. Based on what I've heard (speculation?), Myers was moved to the bullpen by the Astros provide them a trade chip as a closer. He was deemed only a middle of the rotation to back of the rotation type starting pitcher. For the Astros, Myers provided a more valuable trade piece as a closer.

I'm not sure what kind of contract that Myers would get from the Indians, but I would guess that it would probably be something like two years and $10 million. Similar to the deal Carlos Villanueva and Kevin Corriea recently signed.

Myers, IMO, could post similar numbers to other more costly FA's such as Joe Blanton, perhaps even BMcCarthy. Overall, he could be a good value signing IF things didn't work out he could always be a fall back as a replacement for Chris Perez if / when he is traded.

[GoTribe028]

@Loede923TheFan: Have confirmed through the #Indians that Brett Myers will indeed sign with the team after passing his physical

[A.Zajac]

@Loede923TheFan: Have confirmed through the #Indians that Brett Myers will indeed sign with the team after passing his physical

Jon Heyman has also confirmed.

[A.Zajac]

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
Myers deal w/ #indians is for 1 year plus club option

[Lloyd Christmas]

I just don't see the Brett Myers acquisition, if this story has any truth to it.. He's been a reliever for nearly for 2 1/2 years of the last 6.. He was a mediocre below average start in the NL prior to becoming a so-so reliever in both the AL and NL as he bounced between Philadelphia, Houston and Chicago. He only pitched 34 inning in 2012, all in relief. He had two bad outings in 2012 for the CWSox.. both against the Royals.. He made $ 11 MM for this pitching display.. He's not worth what the Rays gave Fausto on a one year deal..imho..

yeah this is the type of signing we are used to over the years. not a bad gamble though depending on the $. would be nice to upgrade the sp more than this. agreed on carmona.

[Edible14]

The Myers pickup isn't bad. He's essentially filling the role of Lowe last year. If he's good, he'll be a big boost to the team. If he's bad, he can be dumped without much thought and we make room for younger guys to get another shot. The option is interesting. If he's good enough to have it exercised, then obviously the Indians are likely making quite the coup here, getting a reliable starter at a likely discounted price for two years.

The theme they've been operating under is that they want guys who will help them contend both this year in the future. With the exception of Reynolds and Shaw, they've done a nice job of that. The thing is that Myers, Reynolds and Shaw are all the exact type of guys that will always be overvalued at the the trading deadline (power bat, back-end reliever, innings-eating starter), so the Indians also have created a situation where they can potentially get a few interesting prospects back for these guys as well.

All being said, there's other guys that might have been preferable (Marcum comes to mind), but it's a decent gamble depending on the money spent. It's not my dream scenario (that would have been trading for Capuano using our relief depth and a middle infield prospect or two), but I see no reason to be unhappy with it.

[homerawayfromhome]

Myers is probably at best the 4th SP for this club he adds a veteran addition and is easily an upgrade over other options such as Corey Kluber, David Huff and Jeanmar Gomez. Myers is a durable arm with the ability to log 200+ sound innings. He will probably pitch to an era somewhere around 4 with a 150 K's.

Here's some of his recent numbers...

Year...Age...team.....ERA...games...GS...CG...SV...IP.......hits...HR...BB...SO...
2010...29...Houston...3.14.....33.....33...2...........223.2...212...20....66...180
2011...30...Houston...4.46.....34.....33...2...........216.....226...31....57....160
2012...31...Hou/CWS..3.31....70..................19...65.2....65.....8.....15....41

Myers split 2012 with the Astros and White Sox his numbers were virtually identical with both clubs.

I don't recall where I read this, maybe at fan graphs but Myers posted a 89.4 mph FB as a SP and pitched at 93.4 mph FB out of the bullpen. Interestingly, his K ratio was better as a SP.

[TonyIBI]

I don't have a problem with Myers. He won't be sexy, but he should be durable, consistent and able to haul a lot of innings. Not an impact starter, but one of the things the Indians needed most with the rotation was a proven arm that provides some stability. Guys like Kluber et al don't provide that. I would rather Kluber be the Indians 7th or 8th starter next season as a depth guy.

They may not be done as I had heard after they signed Swisher that they wanted maybe two more starting pitchers. Myers is the first. He could be the only one, but there might be another move coming.

[homerawayfromhome]

Edible14,

Agreed the Tribe has given themselves more options. Btw, I think you meant Albers instead of Shaw both are RHRP and were in the same trade so I'd say it would be easy to confuse them. Shaw is the better of the two and is controllable for five more yrs. Matt Albers on the other hand is coming off of one of his best seasons and is a FA at yrs end.

As for Shaun Marcum, I'd guess he gets a similar deal to Myers in length with a team option. Although Marcum should get more $$$ than Myers, Marcum is anything but a certainty to be and remain healthy. I would go so far as to say there's legit concern with his elbow or he would already be off the mkt. If healthy, Marcum would be right behind Lohse in the SP mkt. Marcum did return for nearly a mth last season and seemed somewhat healthy. Perhaps an innings limit or extra rest here and there could benefit him, but he's a guy I wouldn't trust to take the mound every turn. Apparently, some of the teams don't either or he would have been signed by now.

IF the Tribe were to sign Marcum I'd expect they could aggressively look to free a little salary to address a cpl other needs. I'm not sure if the Tribe will have the cash to spend but maybe they pickup another bat as a few guys may remain unsigned for a while. Maybe the Tribe could pk up a bat like Delmon Young, Kelly Johnson or Carlos Lee to add a DH with some roster / position flexibility on the cheap. Definitely not a priority but could be a thought down the line. But I guess I'm getting ahead a bit.

[GoTribe028]

He only pitched 34 inning in 2012, all in relief..

Actually he pitched 65 innings...pitched 31 for Houston, another 34 for the White Sox

[Edible14]

Talk is out about the Indians not being done with starters. But I'm looking at the current rotation, seems like Myers/Masterson/Ubaldo would have to stay just because they're making the money and I believe out of options anyway. So who would go down if the Indians signed/traded another SP? McAllister was arguably the best SP on staff last year, it would seem a waste to put him down. Bauer could go down for a bit, but he's ready by all accounts and I don't see much benefit in delaying him.

[daingean]

IMO, Meyers is a nice signing. He's not an elite pitcher but a solid 6 inning guy and with our BP. With our BP, we can be successful with guys like that. My guess things will stack up like:

Masterson
Ubaldo
Meyers
Bauer
McCallister

I know we need to trim 2 guys from the 40 for both Swisher and Meyers. My guesses would be Neal and Hermann although I could see Huff. Maybe we can swing a trade for a lefty reliever. It would be a shame to lose Neal. Also note that Carrasco will probably be available by mid-May or June.

[dazindiansfanuk]

Myers gets $7m according to Jon Heyman.

No mention of the price/buy out for the option year.

[GeronimoSon]

Now that the Indians have added Brett Myers to the club, the 40 man roster is getting a bit over crowded. The 'time frame' to alleviate the overage, is fast approaching.. It has been speculating that Thomas Neal and or David Huff may be in jeopardy of losing their spots in lieu of Myers and Swisher.. Well, that makes sense.. the question becomes.. how do accomplish the feat? The first place to look might be where latest signee, Brett Myers, was being courted..

The San Diego Padres are said to be looking for an innings eating SP and have been linked to Ubaldo Jimenez. While David Huff would fill this role, he isn't any better than the group of pitchers the Padres already have. So, if a roster spot is to be filled using David Huff, it would be of the PTBNL variety, imo.. It is possible for the Padres and Indians to cobble a deal that works for both clubs. Well, before the name Carlos Quentin is raised & while he'd be a fine addition, it's doubtful the Padres have any interest in moving him. Ditto for Chase Headley.. Both of those guys aren't going anywhere. That doesn't leave a helluva lot in the Padres cupboard... The Padres have a youngster that is similar to Jason Kipnis waiting for his opportunity to play. Jedd Gyorko is currently blocked by a youngster, Logan Forsythe. Forsythe was, at one time, considered the heir apparent to Chase Headley who was, at that time, being discussed as a trade candidate. Well, baseball people stepped in and said Headley is going to be the face of the franchise, so Forsythe was moved to 2B.. He's still there.. and is still an interesting potential target. He absolutely crushed lefties in 2012 and has a decent glove. He'd be a lot like a much younger version of Mike Aviles if the Indians were to acquire him..

So, Forsythe along with a Birch Smith (remember the Indians drafting him?), or even Yasmani Grandal (if the Padres are inclined to view him with a jaundiced eye following his suspension) could be targets for the Indians in a trade with the Dads... just a thought..

[GoTribe028]

Yet again Harold Reynolds proving how useless he can be. On MLBNetwork, he was asked about Myers to Cleveland and said "I'm really shocked he didn't have a better market and had to go to Cleveland"

Seriously, first, he didn't have to do shit, just get paid 7 million bucks to do whatever his team asks of him. Second, he wanted a chance to start which the Indians obviously offered him. Yeah, he had NO other choice...even though Cleveland actually hadn't been linked to him by anyone relevant, but was linked to teams such as the Twinkies, Padres, and Orioles by some of the national guys.

Again...he just HAD to settle...right. Sure Harold.

[GoTribe028]

Now that the Indians have added Brett Myers to the club, the 40 man roster is getting a bit over crowded. The 'time frame' to alleviate the overage, is fast approaching.. It has been speculating that Thomas Neal and or David Huff may be in jeopardy of losing their spots in lieu of Myers and Swisher.. Well, that makes sense.. the question becomes.. how do accomplish the feat? The first place to look might be where latest signee, Brett Myers, was being courted..

The San Diego Padres are said to be looking for an innings eating SP and have been linked to Ubaldo Jimenez. While David Huff would fill this role, he isn't any better than the group of pitchers the Padres already have. So, if a roster spot is to be filled using David Huff, it would be of the PTBNL variety, imo.. It is possible for the Padres and Indians to cobble a deal that works for both clubs. Well, before the name Carlos Quentin is raised & while he'd be a fine addition, it's doubtful the Padres have any interest in moving him. Ditto for Chase Headley.. Both of those guys aren't going anywhere. That doesn't leave a helluva lot in the Padres cupboard... The Padres have a youngster that is similar to Jason Kipnis waiting for his opportunity to play. Jedd Gyorko is currently blocked by a youngster, Logan Forsythe. Forsythe was, at one time, considered the heir apparent to Chase Headley who was, at that time, being discussed as a trade candidate. Well, baseball people stepped in and said Headley is going to be the face of the franchise, so Forsythe was moved to 2B.. He's still there.. and is still an interesting potential target. He absolutely crushed lefties in 2012 and has a decent glove. He'd be a lot like a much younger version of Mike Aviles if the Indians were to acquire him..

So, Forsythe along with a Birch Smith (remember the Indians drafting him?), or even Yasmani Grandal (if the Padres are inclined to view him with a jaundiced eye following his suspension) could be targets for the Indians in a trade with the Dads... just a thought..

Could see anyone from Huff, Herrman, Neal, McDade, McGuiness, Gomez, and Phelps in one way another not being on the 40 man whenever the signings become official.

[GhostofTedCox]

Now that the Indians have added Brett Myers to the club, the 40 man roster is getting a bit over crowded. The 'time frame' to alleviate the overage, is fast approaching.. It has been speculating that Thomas Neal and or David Huff may be in jeopardy of losing their spots in lieu of Myers and Swisher.. Well, that makes sense.. the question becomes.. how do accomplish the feat? The first place to look might be where latest signee, Brett Myers, was being courted..

The San Diego Padres are said to be looking for an innings eating SP and have been linked to Ubaldo Jimenez. While David Huff would fill this role, he isn't any better than the group of pitchers the Padres already have. So, if a roster spot is to be filled using David Huff, it would be of the PTBNL variety, imo.. It is possible for the Padres and Indians to cobble a deal that works for both clubs. Well, before the name Carlos Quentin is raised & while he'd be a fine addition, it's doubtful the Padres have any interest in moving him. Ditto for Chase Headley.. Both of those guys aren't going anywhere. That doesn't leave a helluva lot in the Padres cupboard... The Padres have a youngster that is similar to Jason Kipnis waiting for his opportunity to play. Jedd Gyorko is currently blocked by a youngster, Logan Forsythe. Forsythe was, at one time, considered the heir apparent to Chase Headley who was, at that time, being discussed as a trade candidate. Well, baseball people stepped in and said Headley is going to be the face of the franchise, so Forsythe was moved to 2B.. He's still there.. and is still an interesting potential target. He absolutely crushed lefties in 2012 and has a decent glove. He'd be a lot like a much younger version of Mike Aviles if the Indians were to acquire him..
.

No question he has been a bust. But I would be very wary of trading Ubaldo at this time. He is in his FA season, so there is plenty of incentive to get straightened out. Also, right now, we would be selling low on whatever return we would be offered.
But we do need roster spots. So Huff, Tomlin, and a host of RP should be available.

[GoTribe028]

Regarding potential 40 man moves...

@TonyIBI: Sounds like chance both the Swisher and Myers signings will be officially announced by #Indians tomorrow (Thurs) plus a press conference.

If the signings are official by then moves regarding the 40 should be made by tomorrow.

[homerawayfromhome]

Geronimo son, I think, mentioned this the other day but the tribe could package several of these extra parts for a useful return.

1 player I would be interested in the tribe acquiring would be Justin Turner of the Mets. Turner played 10 or more games at every infield position last season. I think something like Frank Herrman and one of Ezekiel Carrera or Tim Fedroff may be enough to acquire Turner.

Another thought, perhaps, the tribe could acquire the full rights to Chris McGuinness by sending Frank Herrman or another piece to the Texas Rangers. This would allow the Tribe to be able to send McGuinness down to AAA (if need be) and it would provide them an open roster spot.

I don't think David Huff would be enough to acquire Logan Forsythe, maybe the tribe could put together a package of players for Forsythe. Another name or two from the Padres that I think the Indians may have interest in trading for would be Joe Thatcher and Jesus Guzmán. Thatcher would provide the left-handed relief pitcher that the Indians need and Guzmán would be a position flexible right-handed bat with a little bit of pop for the Indians bench.

[GeronimoSon]

Not a bad choice of guys, homer...

Jesus Guzman could be a nice addition..can and has played pretty darn well at 1B.. and is athletic enough to fill in at a corner OF spot.. he'd be a better "Duncan" defensively ..at least..

IDK about Logan Foysythe's availability.. but he, like Justin Turner and Murphy would be similar players who could contribute at several spots on the field and wouldn't be Aaron Cunningham in the batters box... The guys mentioned in trade.. Frank Supe'Herrmann would be a great get for the Mess...

The Chris McGuinness thing makes some sense from the Indians' perspective..I guess it would matter how the Rangers viewed him.. as a legitimate prospect who is slow in developing.. or roster fodder..

[GoTribe028]

Geronimo son, I think, mentioned this the other day but the tribe could package several of these extra parts for a useful return.

1 player I would be interested in the tribe acquiring would be Justin Turner of the Mets. Turner played 10 or more games at every infield position last season. I think something like Frank Herrman and one of Ezekiel Carrera or Tim Fedroff may be enough to acquire Turner.

Another thought, perhaps, the tribe could acquire the full rights to Chris McGuinness by sending Frank Herrman or another piece to the Texas Rangers. This would allow the Tribe to be able to send McGuinness down to AAA (if need be) and it would provide them an open roster spot.

I don't think David Huff would be enough to acquire Logan Forsythe, maybe the tribe could put together a package of players for Forsythe. Another name or two from the Padres that I think the Indians may have interest in trading for would be Joe Thatcher and Jesus Guzmán. Thatcher would provide the left-handed relief pitcher that the Indians need and Guzmán would be a position flexible right-handed bat with a little bit of pop for the Indians bench.

Don't see how the Indians can package together a bunch of roster filler ("extra parts") and net something useful for them.

[GoTribe028]

Not a bad choice of guys, homer...

Jesus Guzman could be a nice addition..can and has played pretty darn well at 1B.. and is athletic enough to fill in at a corner OF spot.. he'd be a better "Duncan" defensively ..at least..

IDK about Logan Foysythe's availability.. but he, like Justin Turner and Murphy would be similar players who could contribute at several spots on the field and wouldn't be Aaron Cunningham in the batters box... The guys mentioned in trade.. Frank Supe'Herrmann would be a great get for the Mess...

The Chris McGuinness thing makes some sense from the Indians' perspective..I guess it would matter how the Rangers viewed him.. as a legitimate prospect who is slow in developing.. or roster fodder..

McGuinness is roster fodder. He's also a burden on the roster unless his rights are fully acquired and quite frankly, he's not worth much. I still have no idea what they like about him. I guess cause they were thin on 1B options and wanted depth so they could trade Lars Anderson (sarcasm).

[A.Zajac]

Indians re-claim Russ Canzler and designate Jeanmar Gomez.

[dazindiansfanuk]

Indians re-claim Russ Canzler and designate Jeanmar Gomez.

Very strange.

Gomez is nothing special, but you have to think he has more value to the Indians than Canzler.

[GoTribe028]

Indians re-claim Russ Canzler and designate Jeanmar Gomez.

Said it a couple times recently, not shocked at all about Gomez.

[homerawayfromhome]

Got to admit I'm confused by this one...why re-claim Canzler and DFA Gomez? That opens no spots, maybe they turn right back around and DFA Canzler tomorrow with hopes he clears waivers tomorrow...

Gomez likely gets claimed, only question is by who? Astros, Rocks, Jays?

[GoTribe028]

Indians re-claim Russ Canzler and designate Jeanmar Gomez.

Very strange.

Gomez is nothing special, but you have to think he has more value to the Indians than Canzler.

Could be a paper move, team like Houston could have interest.

[GeronimoSon]

Indians re-claim Russ Canzler and designate Jeanmar Gomez.

Very strange.

Gomez is nothing special, but you have to think he has more value to the Indians than Canzler.

Could be a paper move, team like Houston could have interest.

DFA'ing him for the second time also affords Canzler with the opportunity to refuse the assignment thereby becoming a free agent.... This starts the roster machinations. The next ones coming are going to be a bit odd.. to say the least

[homerawayfromhome]

GoTribe,

To clarify my earlier statement about using "extra parts" for something useful. Here's an idea of what I meant...

1) trading Matt Albers and EZ Carrera to the Mets for Justin Turner - INF / UTIL.

2) trading Albers / Herrman for the full rights to McGuiness, it would clear a roster spot.

3) trading Diaz and Carrera for a non-40 prospect like Kevin Plaweski-C (Mets)

[homerawayfromhome]

Any rumors of trades involving the Tribe? Weird to see them reclaim Canzler...

[GoTribe028]

GoTribe,

To clarify my earlier statement about using "extra parts" for something useful. Here's an idea of what I meant...

1) trading Matt Albers and EZ Carrera to the Mets for Justin Turner - INF / UTIL.

2) trading Albers / Herrman for the full rights to McGuiness, it would clear a roster spot.

3) trading Diaz and Carrera for a non-40 prospect like Kevin Plaweski-C (Mets)

Albers is better kept right now. Silly to move him right now, he essentially replaces Esmil Rogers and could hold value at the deadline.

Also don't get the love for Turner when you have Aviles in house and still are sitting on Cord Phelps/Juan Diaz. You can make moves to make moves or make moves that make sense.

[homerawayfromhome]

I think the Blue Jays are 9th in claiming priority, could be the Tribe was talking a deal with a team below that 10-30 in claiming priority and simply reclaimed him to flip him elsewhere. Only speculation on my part...

[homerawayfromhome]

Turner is simply a Utility guy, I'm not a huge fan. Simply, pointing out the Tribe could pkg a few pieces to strengthen the bench. Turner was simply an example. Personally, I'd prefer any of the Padres players discussed above (Forsythe, Guzman, Thatcher!).

[GoTribe028]

Turner is simply a Utility guy, I'm not a huge fan. Simply, pointing out the Tribe could pkg a few pieces to strengthen the bench. Turner was simply an example. Personally, I'd prefer any of the Padres players discussed above (Forsythe, Guzman, Thatcher!).

I like Guzman, not sure he fits now IF IF IF IF IF Canzler stays this time plus whoever from McDade, McGuinness make it through the offseason on the roster.

Thatcher or lefty relievers in general are who I can see the Indians targeting in deals.

[homerawayfromhome]

Besides Joe Thatcher of the Padres, a lefty I'd like to see the Tribe snag for the pen would be Jake Diekman of the Phillies.

Here's a brief look at him...
http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/vi ... 1&c_id=mlb

Btw, the Phillies have the following lefties in their bullpen...
Antonio Bastardo
Jeremy Horst
Raul Valdes
Mauricio Robles

[GoTribe028]

@eddymk: #Indians sign 2B Matt Antonelli to minors deal following rough Triple-A season for #Yankees & #Orioles, but 853 OPS for #Nationals in ’11.

[Edible14]

Turner is simply a Utility guy, I'm not a huge fan. Simply, pointing out the Tribe could pkg a few pieces to strengthen the bench. Turner was simply an example. Personally, I'd prefer any of the Padres players discussed above (Forsythe, Guzman, Thatcher!).

Eh, I'm okay on the bench for the Indians. Carerra and Aviles are very good for their roles, Marson is pretty much exactly what you want out of a backup C (cheap, good D) and I'm sure we'll find something between McDade/McGuinness/Canzler to like. I don't see them finding an upgrade for Zeke or Aviles. And realistically nobody is going to want to give up a corner utility player much better than Russ Canzler unless they're getting something useful back. I mean, Casey Blake got Carlos Santana, Austin Kearns got a serviceable starter and how many good prospects have we gotten from the Mariners for our crappy corner utility guys? The Indians aren't likely getting any upgrades there for guys that are on the edge of being DFA'd anyway.

Similarly, nobody is going to want to trade a big league lefty reliever. Those needs for the Indians are going to have to be filled either through free agency or internally (probably through spring training invites, I'd guess. With the winners getting the spots cleared by Tomlin going on the 40 day DL and whoever needs to be DFA'd or DL'd). It seems that unless the Indians are able to find a suitor for someone like Neal/Phelps/Herrman, they're just going to have to try to sneak someone through waivers. I'd lean towards McDade, since McGuinness is considered a better defender and had a better year at AA last year. I want them to keep Canzler, because I actually liked what I saw last year and his numbers are really only bad because he didn't walk (but his minor league walk rates show that that should be better than what he showed in ~100 PA so far in the majors).

[TonyIBI]

DFA'ing him for the second time also affords Canzler with the opportunity to refuse the assignment thereby becoming a free agent.... This starts the roster machinations. The next ones coming are going to be a bit odd.. to say the least

That's not true. It is not how many times a guy is DFAed.....it is how many times a player is outrighted to the minors. Canzler can be DFAed 50 more times but as long as teams continue to claim him, he still has yet to clear waivers and be outrighted to the minors. When/if he clears waivers and is outrighted......THEN the next time he is DFAed he could choose free agency if he clears waivers.

Also, I think there is a chance that Canzler is one of the DFAs today.

[GeronimoSon]

Musing on a frosty Thursday morning while watching the promotion of the start of the PGA season at the Kapalua resort on Maui...

Going back to some previous posting.. the Indians may not be done with this hot stove season. There is still work to be done and that could include a couple of three oppotunities:

1. The Seattle Mariners/Cleveland Indians Fit: The latest "opportunity" for a blockbuster trade for the Mariners involved alleged discussions with the Dodgers regarding Andre Ethier. This was somewhat dashed when a report by, I believe it was, John Heyman said the two sides haven't spoken in weeks. ho hum for that.. The PacNW w/ Lookout Landing and USS Mariner are both screaming for Jack Z to upgrade an offense, that, frankly, make the Indians offense look potent. The Mariners have three big problems with their offense: No one hits w/RISP, No one hits for average & no one hits for power. The Mariners are dreadful, but, there may be some hope. They've acquired Kendrys Morales ! ugh.. The worst of the worst for the M's was their SS, Brendan Ryan who hit a paltry .194 for the season. Six other primary players for the M's didn't crack .230. The Indians w/ Asdrubal as a trade chip would be a perfect fit for the M's going into the 2013 season. Part of the compesation returning, imho, should be Franklin Gutierrez.. Here is what Guti is doing in the VWL.. The M's remain the best option available for the Indians to make a trade. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/ ... er-league/

2. The St Louis Cardinals/Cleveland Indians Fit: The Cardinals are going into the second half of the Hot Stove under the premise that Rafael Furcal is going to be healthy.. For their sake, I hope they're right. The Indians may not make a huge trade with the Cardinals, but they may be able to work a 'smaller' deal in a one for one for Matt Adams. Adams appears to be the odd man out in the Cardinals plans. A B- to C+ type prospect may be more than enough to land him, if the Indians FO believe he's a gem covered in St Louis BBQ... The bigger trade mentioned several times is still appealing..

3. LoMo and what it takes: The "listening" that is going on for Giancarlo Stanton will be good stuff for selling interest on websites and other media outlets. The real target for the Indians with the Marlins could be/should be Logan Morrison. He is in his last pre-arbitration year entering 2013 and would be a perfect fit for a deep prospect (B range) going forward..

thoughts?

[homerawayfromhome]

Edible14,

The larger part of the discussion was utilizing these "extra parts" in correlation with someone of use to fill a need or acquire something of use for the Tribe. A pkg deal that of clears a spot for the Tribe.

As for getting a LHRP it won't be easy, and in fact it might take an overpay to get it done. There are teams with a number of LH in the bullpen the A's, Mariners, Phillies are a few who could possibly move an arm.