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by **homerawayfromhome** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:57 pm

Nice deal if true, hope so.

by **Hermie13** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:00 pm

GoTribe028 wrote:@LindseyBaseball: Hearing Choo, Donald, Sipp, and Anderson traded in 3 team deal w AZ and CIN. CIN gets Choo. Tribe receives Stubbs and Bauer from AZ

I'm not a big Sipp fan but if he is included I like this deal less. Still though....Bauer and Stubbs is a nice haul. Anderson? Is that Chase Anderson of the D'backs? Or Lars Anderson of the Indians? Which team would really want/need Lars Anderson??

by **GoTribe028** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:00 pm

Still waiting for official deal but looks like Indians got Trevor Bauer

by **Rocky55** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:01 pm

GoTribe028 wrote:@LindseyBaseball: Hearing Choo, Donald, Sipp, and Anderson traded in 3 team deal w AZ and CIN. CIN gets Choo. Tribe receives Stubbs and Bauer from AZ

Lars Anderson?

by **homerawayfromhome** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:03 pm

Cody Anderson - RHSP ??? from the Tribe big time arm JUCO signing converted to SP last yr. hate to lose him but Bauer is big time landing and the Tribe kept ACab very good deal.

by **dazindiansfanuk** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:03 pm

Rocky55 wrote:
GoTribe028 wrote:@LindseyBaseball: Hearing Choo, Donald, Sipp, and Anderson traded in 3 team deal w AZ and CIN. CIN gets Choo. Tribe receives Stubbs and Bauer from AZ

Lars Anderson?

I'd assume so.... although I guess it could be Cody Anderson.... more likely Lars though.

by **Rocky55** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:06 pm

Hermie13 wrote:
GoTribe028 wrote:@LindseyBaseball: Hearing Choo, Donald, Sipp, and Anderson traded in 3 team deal w AZ and CIN. CIN gets Choo. Tribe receives Stubbs and Bauer from AZ

I'm not a big Sipp fan but if he is included I like this deal less. Still though....Bauer and Stubbs is a nice haul. Anderson? Is that Chase Anderson of the D'backs? Or Lars Anderson of the Indians? Which team would really want/need Lars Anderson??

So it would be 1 yr of Choo, an unneeded UIF, an unreliable LHRP, & a Norwegian corpse for Stubbs & Bauer? Where's the applause smilie?

by **Hermie13** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:07 pm

homerawayfromhome wrote:Cody Anderson - RHSP ??? from the Tribe big time arm JUCO signing converted to SP last yr. hate to lose him but Bauer is big time landing and the Tribe kept ACab very good deal.

Dang, didn't even think of him. Good catch.

by **Hermie13** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:08 pm

Rocky55 wrote:
Hermie13 wrote:
GoTribe028 wrote:@LindseyBaseball: Hearing Choo, Donald, Sipp, and Anderson traded in 3 team deal w AZ and CIN. CIN gets Choo. Tribe receives Stubbs and Bauer from AZ

I'm not a big Sipp fan but if he is included I like this deal less. Still though....Bauer and Stubbs is a nice haul. Anderson? Is that Chase Anderson of the D'backs? Or Lars Anderson of the Indians? Which team would really want/need Lars Anderson??

So it would be 1 yr of Choo, an unneeded UIF, an unreliable LHRP, & a Norwegian corpse for Stubbs & Bauer? Where's the applause smilie?

ha, man you really don't like Lars Anderson :razz

by **homerawayfromhome** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:08 pm

I'm hoping its Lars Anderson would be a move from the Tribes surplus of 1b. The Dbax had recently traded Ryan Wheeler -1b to Rockies so it could be.

by **GoTribe028** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:08 pm

@Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #Diamondbacks' Shaw, Albers among those going to #Indians. A. Cabrera COULD go to #Diamondbacks, with Gregorius staying in Cleveland

by **dazindiansfanuk** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:08 pm

@Ken_Rosenthal
Source: #Diamondbacks' Shaw, Albers among those going to #Indians. A. Cabrera COULD go to #Diamondbacks, with Gregorius staying in Cleveland

Who knows what's going on!?

by **GoTribe028** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:09 pm

@JeffPassan: Source: Diamondbacks would send pitcher Trevor Bauer to Cleveland as part of the proposed three-way trade.

Olney and Knobler tweeting same thing

by **Hermie13** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:09 pm

This is one reason I'm sad to see Donald Duck go:

(quote from Donald): "All I know is that Choo and me are going to the Reds."

ha, you and thousands of Tribe fans Jason.

by **GoTribe028** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:09 pm

Didi Gregorious tweeting he's going to DBacks

by **Rocky55** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:10 pm

dazindiansfanuk wrote:
Rocky55 wrote:
GoTribe028 wrote:@LindseyBaseball: Hearing Choo, Donald, Sipp, and Anderson traded in 3 team deal w AZ and CIN. CIN gets Choo. Tribe receives Stubbs and Bauer from AZ

Lars Anderson?

I'd assume so.... although I guess it could be Cody Anderson.... more likely Lars though.

Rather it was Lars although I still would like the deal if it was Cody. He's a long ways away. Like to keep him though.

by **GoTribe028** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:12 pm

@Ken_Rosenthal: #Dbacks' Shaw, Albers to #Indians, per source, along with Bauer, per reports. Gregorius @DidiG18 tweeted that he is indeed going to AZ.

by **GeronimoSon** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:13 pm

GoTribe028 wrote:@LindseyBaseball: Hearing Choo, Donald, Sipp, and Anderson traded in 3 team deal w AZ and CIN. CIN gets Choo. Tribe receives Stubbs and Bauer from AZ

This one is he classic.. there are parts missing.. like a shortstop to Az, perhaps?..

Oh.. here's who's missing: Didi is going to AZ. Just confirmed on his twitter

by **dazindiansfanuk** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:15 pm

@ZackMeisel
Indians will end up with Trevor Bauer, Drew Stubbs and relievers Bryan Shaw and Matt Albers. Will part w/ Choo, Sipp, Lars Anderson.

by **GoTribe028** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:15 pm

@SteveGilbertMLB: LHP Tony Sipp and 1B/OF Lars Anderson also going to #Dbacks

by **homerawayfromhome** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:16 pm

Wow, a lot of bullpen depth for the Tribe... Just saying who's on the move next?

by **GoTribe028** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:19 pm

GeronimoSon wrote:
GoTribe028 wrote:@LindseyBaseball: Hearing Choo, Donald, Sipp, and Anderson traded in 3 team deal w AZ and CIN. CIN gets Choo. Tribe receives Stubbs and Bauer from AZ

This one is he classic.. there are parts missing.. like a shortstop to Az, perhaps?..

Twitter is only 140 characters a tweet. She got every name involved correct

by **Hermie13** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:20 pm

GoTribe028 wrote:
homerawayfromhome wrote:Where do the Indians go in RF from here? Swisher, Ross, Hairston?

I'm hoping the tribe does what it takes (add a pen arm or prospects) to land either Bauer (instead) or both Bauer and Corbin.

Any of the 3. I know he's not a huge get, but I like Ryan Sweeney as a low cost stop gap or platoon type. I like him along with any of those 3

I'm sure some saw but apparently the Cubs and Phillies discussed Dominic Brown for Alfonso Soriano. Tribe doesn't have a bat like Soriano to move but the fact that it's being reported the Phillies thought about it suggests it may not be hard to get Brown from them. He's had his struggles but think he could be a nice change of scenery guy. If they end up getting Swisher, Hamilton or Ross, they may feel inclined to move Brown??

by **homerawayfromhome** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:21 pm

So here's the mega deal...
Reds - Choo and Donald
Dbax - Gregorius, Sipp, Lars Anderson
Indians - Stubbs, Bauer, Albers, Shaw

Talk about trading teams?!?!

by **Rocky55** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:23 pm

dazindiansfanuk wrote:@ZackMeisel
Indians will end up with Trevor Bauer, Drew Stubbs and relievers Bryan Shaw and Matt Albers. Will part w/ Choo, Sipp, Lars Anderson.

Nice, nice, nice return. No mention of Donald though.

by **GeronimoSon** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:24 pm

Hermie13 wrote:
GoTribe028 wrote:
homerawayfromhome wrote:Where do the Indians go in RF from here? Swisher, Ross, Hairston?

I'm hoping the tribe does what it takes (add a pen arm or prospects) to land either Bauer (instead) or both Bauer and Corbin.

Any of the 3. I know he's not a huge get, but I like Ryan Sweeney as a low cost stop gap or platoon type. I like him along with any of those 3

I'm sure some saw but apparently the Cubs and Phillies discussed Dominic Brown for Alfonso Soriano. Tribe doesn't have a bat like Soriano to move but the fact that it's being reported the Phillies thought about it suggests it may not be hard to get Brown from them. He's had his struggles but think he could be a nice change of scenery guy. If they end up getting Swisher, Hamilton or Ross, they may feel inclined to move Brown??

..and the phillies were looking for BP help to bridge to Jonathan Papelbon. Sort of makes some sense....

by **A.Zajac** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:25 pm

I LOVE this deal. The Indians were able to keep Cabrera, got Bauer and Stubbs, plus still two more prospects who aren't sloutches. And all we gave up was Choo, Lars, Sipp, Donald. I will gladly take that. Now if we can sign Swisher... what an off-season!

by **Hermie13** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:29 pm

A.Zajac wrote:I LOVE this deal. The Indians were able to keep Cabrera, got Bauer and Stubbs, plus still two more prospects who aren't sloutches. And all we gave up was Choo, Lars, Sipp, Donald. I will gladly take that. Now if we can sign Swisher... what an off-season!

Shaw and Albers aren't prospects but could be nice pieces to the pen. Gotta wonder how much info Francona was feeding CA on Albers (pitched for Francona for a few years in Boston). Shaw has a nice arm. Kinda surprised we moved Sipp and got 2 righties. Let more speculation begin...adding pieces for a possible CP, Pestano, or Smith deal?

Agree though, very good deal. Obviously Bauer can't bust as he's still got some big risk with him but if he pitches anywhere near his ceiling this could be a huge, huge deal. And if we could add Swisher to replace Choo? wow...

by **GoTribe028** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:29 pm

Love it for the Indians. Will have to read up on Bryan Shaw but he had a solid season for the DBacks but we all know the real get here, Bauer.

Have to wonder if the Indians have more moves in play with their bullpen.

by **Rocky55** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:30 pm

A.Zajac wrote:I LOVE this deal. The Indians were able to keep Cabrera, got Bauer and Stubbs, plus still two more prospects who aren't sloutches. And all we gave up was Choo, Lars, Sipp, Donald. I will gladly take that. Now if we can sign Swisher... what an off-season!

No shit. When's the last time we had an offseason even close to this? The Colon to Montreal deal?

by **A.Zajac** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:30 pm

Hermie13 wrote:
A.Zajac wrote:I LOVE this deal. The Indians were able to keep Cabrera, got Bauer and Stubbs, plus still two more prospects who aren't sloutches. And all we gave up was Choo, Lars, Sipp, Donald. I will gladly take that. Now if we can sign Swisher... what an off-season!

Shaw and Albers aren't prospects but could be nice pieces to the pen. Gotta wonder how much info Francona was feeding CA on Albers (pitched for Francona for a few years in Boston). Shaw has a nice arm. Kinda surprised we moved Sipp and got 2 righties. Let more speculation begin...adding pieces for a possible CP, Pestano, or Smith deal?

I want to see Swisher in Cleveland now and I'll be happy. I don't think Pestano is going anywhere, but wouldn't be surprised to see Smith/CP traded. Don't even rule out Cabrera being traded at some point somewhere else.

by **GeronimoSon** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:31 pm

A.Zajac wrote:I LOVE this deal. The Indians were able to keep Cabrera, got Bauer and Stubbs, plus still two more prospects who aren't sloutches. And all we gave up was Choo, Lars, Sipp, Donald. I will gladly take that. Now if we can sign Swisher... what an off-season!

Giving up Choo is a lot.. but it is a very good looking trade so far. Both the RP's from the DBax have weapons..

by **homerawayfromhome** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:31 pm

Just think Lars Anderson probably wasn't far from getting DFA truth be told. I love this deal for the Tribe.

Who makes up the 2013 bullpen?
Perez
Pestano
Allen
Smith
Albers
Shaw
Barnes
Hagadone

That's some tremendous depth for the Tribe to work with. GOOD JOB by CA and company!

by **Rocky55** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:32 pm

GoTribe028 wrote:Love it for the Indians. Will have to read up on Bryan Shaw but he had a solid season for the DBacks but we all know the real get here, Bauer.

Have to wonder if the Indians have more moves in play with their bullpen.

If it's that Bryan Shaw he was a big spec in the draft like 4/5 yrs ago. Not sure though.

by **A.Zajac** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:32 pm

Rocky55 wrote:
A.Zajac wrote:I LOVE this deal. The Indians were able to keep Cabrera, got Bauer and Stubbs, plus still two more prospects who aren't sloutches. And all we gave up was Choo, Lars, Sipp, Donald. I will gladly take that. Now if we can sign Swisher... what an off-season!

No shit. When's the last time we had an offseason even close to this? The Colon to Montreal deal?

The exciting thing is we're still not done.

by **Hermie13** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:33 pm

GoTribe028 wrote:Love it for the Indians. Will have to read up on Bryan Shaw but he had a solid season for the DBacks but we all know the real get here, Bauer.

Have to wonder if the Indians have more moves in play with their bullpen.

Here's BA's take from their 2011 book (was AZ's 27th ranked spec), obviously a little old but here it is:

"His 90-94 mph fastball has plus movement and sink. His curveball has the potential to be a plus pitch, and he throws a good slider with cut action." Liked how his stuff played up in the pen (typical starter to reliever stuff mostly). Was 2nd round pick in 2008 and closed for LBSU.

by **A.Zajac** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:34 pm

GeronimoSon wrote:
A.Zajac wrote:I LOVE this deal. The Indians were able to keep Cabrera, got Bauer and Stubbs, plus still two more prospects who aren't sloutches. And all we gave up was Choo, Lars, Sipp, Donald. I will gladly take that. Now if we can sign Swisher... what an off-season!

Giving up Choo is a lot.. but it is a very good looking trade so far. Both the RP's from the DBax have weapons..

Not necessarily. If the Indians can sign Swisher or even another bat, we'll be okay. We didn't have to give up Cabrera. We got an ace in return. Plus... Choo was only staying one more year anyway.

by **Rocky55** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:35 pm

GeronimoSon wrote:
A.Zajac wrote:I LOVE this deal. The Indians were able to keep Cabrera, got Bauer and Stubbs, plus still two more prospects who aren't sloutches. And all we gave up was Choo, Lars, Sipp, Donald. I will gladly take that. Now if we can sign Swisher... what an off-season!

Giving up Choo is a lot.. but it is a very good looking trade so far. Both the RP's from the DBax have weapons..

Choo didn't get much closer to the Left Coast, did he?

by **dazindiansfanuk** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:35 pm

Rocky55 wrote:
GoTribe028 wrote:Love it for the Indians. Will have to read up on Bryan Shaw but he had a solid season for the DBacks but we all know the real get here, Bauer.

Have to wonder if the Indians have more moves in play with their bullpen.

If it's that Bryan Shaw he was a big spec in the draft like 4/5 yrs ago. Not sure though.

It is

Here's his MiL numbers for people to peruse

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.js ... pid=543766

by **GeronimoSon** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:37 pm

A.Zajac wrote:
Hermie13 wrote:
A.Zajac wrote:I LOVE this deal. The Indians were able to keep Cabrera, got Bauer and Stubbs, plus still two more prospects who aren't sloutches. And all we gave up was Choo, Lars, Sipp, Donald. I will gladly take that. Now if we can sign Swisher... what an off-season!

Shaw and Albers aren't prospects but could be nice pieces to the pen. Gotta wonder how much info Francona was feeding CA on Albers (pitched for Francona for a few years in Boston). Shaw has a nice arm. Kinda surprised we moved Sipp and got 2 righties. Let more speculation begin...adding pieces for a possible CP, Pestano, or Smith deal?

I want to see Swisher in Cleveland now and I'll be happy. I don't think Pestano is going anywhere, but wouldn't be surprised to see Smith/CP traded. Don't even rule out Cabrera being traded at some point somewhere else.

The bounty of RP's coming in should be thinned. I could see Hermie's idea of Dominic Brown to the Indians for a couple of the bullpen arms, probably Albers & Huff?

by **JP_Frost** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:39 pm

Very nice deal. Love Bauer's potential. And Stubbs, despite the K's, is valuable centerfielder and great baserunner.

Plus we still have Acab and Perez as potential trade chips.

by **homerawayfromhome** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:40 pm

I know all the trade talk was boring to some... As a number of us speculated crazy things like the Tribe landing a FOR arm like for Choo.
Tremendous deal for the Tribe. They added a talented potential FOR starter in Trevor Bauer, two nice pen arms in Albers and Shaw and added Drew Stubbs to the OF.
I think we might be able to even forgive CA for trading Steven Wright, well unless he becomes the next great story and wins a Cy Young - as we know anything can happen.

The Tribe could still move ACab for pitching or even for an OF. How about ACab for Cespedes anyone?

by **GoTribe028** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:41 pm

@Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #Indians to send #Reds approximately $3.5M to account for differences in projected salaries between Choo, Stubbs.

by **homerawayfromhome** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:42 pm

Interesting note, I had heard the Tribe might have to pick up some cash in the Choo trade. A little ore than I expected honestly.

by **Hermie13** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:44 pm

A.Zajac wrote:
Hermie13 wrote:
A.Zajac wrote:I LOVE this deal. The Indians were able to keep Cabrera, got Bauer and Stubbs, plus still two more prospects who aren't sloutches. And all we gave up was Choo, Lars, Sipp, Donald. I will gladly take that. Now if we can sign Swisher... what an off-season!

Shaw and Albers aren't prospects but could be nice pieces to the pen. Gotta wonder how much info Francona was feeding CA on Albers (pitched for Francona for a few years in Boston). Shaw has a nice arm. Kinda surprised we moved Sipp and got 2 righties. Let more speculation begin...adding pieces for a possible CP, Pestano, or Smith deal?

I want to see Swisher in Cleveland now and I'll be happy. I don't think Pestano is going anywhere, but wouldn't be surprised to see Smith/CP traded. Don't even rule out Cabrera being traded at some point somewhere else.

I don't think Pestano is going anywhere either, but never say never. Didn't think we'd get Bauer without moving Cabrera so maybe a team would give up soemthing crazy for VP. Definitely think a guy like CP is more likely to be dealt though salary could be restrictive.

A lineup to ponder...

1. Brantley - LF
2. Swisher - RF
3. Cabrera - SS
4. Santana - C
5. Kipnis - 2B
6. Reynolds - 1B
7. Chisenhall - 3B
8. Stubbs - CF
9. Canzler/McGuiness - DH

Not a bad looking lineup.... :cool

by **homerawayfromhome** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:44 pm

As JP Frost pointed out excellent deal for the Tribe to pull this off w/o giving up ACab, Chris Perez and may I add Lindor too bc he was rumored to be on the mkt.

by **A.Zajac** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:46 pm

The Indians do need to sign/trade for one more bat, though, to make up for Choo's departure. Like I said, crossing my fingers for Swisher...

by **Rocky55** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:47 pm

JP_Frost wrote:Very nice deal. Love Bauer's potential. And Stubbs, despite the K's, is valuable centerfielder and great baserunner.

Plus we still have Acab and Perez as potential trade chips.

Stubbs has a career .821 OPS vs lefties.

by **BrianM** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:50 pm

Does anyone know where a huge Diamondbacks forum is? I'd like to see their reaction to this. They should be furious.

by **GeronimoSon** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:51 pm

homerawayfromhome wrote:As JP Frost pointed out excellent deal for the Tribe to pull this off w/o giving up ACab, Chris Perez and may I add Lindor too bc he was rumored to be on the mkt.

..and Masterson, who was rumored as a potential target. If Choo and three guys can bring back a FOR SP, maybe the Indians should continue talking.. Hello Jack Z?....

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