MLB Hot Stove

[timdav]

Maybe the Mets are like the Indians: realistically too far away from legitimate World Series contention in the next 3 or 4 years.

[daingean]

Maybe the Mets are like the Indians: realistically too far away from legitimate World Series contention in the next 3 or 4 years.

I think the mets are still reeling financially from the Bernie Madoff scandal. They just don't have the $$$.

[GoTribe028]

From Rosenthal on the Twitter

@Ken_Rosenthal: Just asked official involved in four-team blockbuster to describe state of talks. His reply: “Nowhere.” We’ll see.

@Ken_Rosenthal: Another official involved in four-team discussions says nothing materially has changed in talks since start of meetings.

From Heyman

@JonHeymanCBS: 3-way and 4-way at standstill for moment. Dbacks need more than asdrubal for upton. Not sure what holdup is tho.

[A.Zajac]

I get the feeling Cabrera won't be traded by the end of the meetings. I won't go as far as saying he won't be dealt by Opening Day.. but from all indications, it seems like Arizona and Cleveland can't agree on many things.

On that note, I'd want Bauer over Skaggs. I know there seems to be a few more concerns with Bauer currently, but I feel like his upside might be slightly higher. That said, I still wouldn't do Cabrera for Bauer straight up.

I'm growing less and less optimistic Youkilis will sign with Cleveland.

I'd be extremely happy if Swisher signed in Cleveland, but I'm not optimistic with that either.

Mark Reynolds is an interesting case. Power and production to be had, but a strike out machine.

[GoTribe028]

Jim Bowden tweeting Indians demanding second pitcher in any Cabrera deal.

[GoTribe028]

Nick Cafardo tweeting

@nickcafardo: Looks like Indians stepping up their intensity on talks with Kevin Youkilis. Would love to land him for 1B.

[GoTribe028]

Jim Bowden tweeting the market for Swisher is Cleveland, Seattle & Phillie

[homerawayfromhome]

I'd prefer to land Reynolds or Swisher myself. Curious what kind of offer they'd make Swisher I could see him landing something like 4 yrs / $52 M. I'd probably offer Reynolds 2 yrs / $17 M to get him signed and try to land Nate Scheirholtz for LF with an offer of 2 yrs / $4 M with incentives.

I'd love to see the Tribe land Trevor Bauer, if Tyler Skaggs is the hold up maybe the Tribe could entice the Dbax to add Skaggs by adding in Marson or Smith.

Part of the mega deal I posted last night had Choo going to TB and the Tribe netting Chris Archer and Alex Cobb of the Rays, I don't see why the Tribe just doesn't try to work Choo for Archer and a prospect.

[GoTribe028]

I'd prefer to land Reynolds or Swisher myself. Curious what kind of offer they'd make Swisher I could see him landing something like 4 yrs / $52 M. I'd probably offer Reynolds 2 yrs / $17 M to get him signed and try to land Nate Scheirholtz for LF with an offer of 2 yrs / $4 M with incentives.

I'd love to see the Tribe land Trevor Bauer, if Tyler Skaggs is the hold up maybe the Tribe could entice the Dbax to add Skaggs by adding in Marson or Smith.

Part of the mega deal I posted last night had Choo going to TB and the Tribe netting Chris Archer and Alex Cobb of the Rays, I don't see why the Tribe just doesn't try to work Choo for Archer and a prospect.

Tampa isn't about to surrender Archer plus for 1 season of Choo. Tampa is all about value. They want hitting with little service time or plenty or team control just like the Indians want pitching of the same ilk.

Marson and/or Smith aren't that valuable.

I think I prefer Reynolds to Youkilis myself. Less questions, more power.

[criznit2009]

I'd prefer to land Reynolds or Swisher myself. Curious what kind of offer they'd make Swisher I could see him landing something like 4 yrs / $52 M. I'd probably offer Reynolds 2 yrs / $17 M to get him signed and try to land Nate Scheirholtz for LF with an offer of 2 yrs / $4 M with incentives.

I'd love to see the Tribe land Trevor Bauer, if Tyler Skaggs is the hold up maybe the Tribe could entice the Dbax to add Skaggs by adding in Marson or Smith.

Part of the mega deal I posted last night had Choo going to TB and the Tribe netting Chris Archer and Alex Cobb of the Rays, I don't see why the Tribe just doesn't try to work Choo for Archer and a prospect.

I hate that offer for Reynolds.. I rather spend that money for Ross or even Youk

[GoTribe028]

Kenny Rosenthal reporting the Indians talking to Dodgers about Dee Gordon

[homerawayfromhome]

Big league replacement for ACab. What's the cost???

[homerawayfromhome]

Yanks reportedly talking to Reynolds agent. Reynolds wants $7.5 M he made last season. 2 yrs / $17 (8.5 per yr) could be enough to land the strike out king. I think the Tribe should move on him.

Dee Gordon has tremendous speed, a lead off hitter? I'm not sure what his stick is like though or what the cost would be for Gordon.

[GoTribe028]

Yanks reportedly talking to Reynolds agent. Reynolds wants $7.5 M he made last season. 2 yrs / $17 (8.5 per yr) could be enough to land the strike out king. I think the Tribe should move on him.

Dee Gordon has tremendous speed, a lead off hitter? I'm not sure what his stick is like though or what the cost would be for Gordon.

I wouldn't panic for Reynolds. His defense really isn't good at 3rd. He's as close to Adam Dunn from the right side as it gets though, I would prefer him over some of the other options being rumored.

Gordon was ranked as one of the top specs in baseball for a few seasons. Slick glove, tons of speed. Does make sense for a stop gap with potential if Asdrubal is flipped.

[homerawayfromhome]

I'd want Reynolds to play 1b where he's actually decent.

The Tribe must feel close on an ACab trade to be looking seriously at Gordon...just my thoughts. My. Concern is the cost to acq. Gordon I don't see the Dodgers wanting a number of prospects could be something like Chris Perez for Gordon and a prospect (I'd want Zach Lee or Yasel Puig) ---which seems unrealistic. I know the Dodgers have already extended League, but the Dodgers do have a ton of money spend literally.

[GoTribe028]

I'd want Reynolds to play 1b where he's actually decent.

The Tribe must feel close on an ACab trade to be looking seriously at Gordon...just my thoughts. My. Concern is the cost to acq. Gordon I don't see the Dodgers wanting a number of prospects could be something like Chris Perez for Gordon and a prospect (I'd want Zach Lee or Yasel Puig) ---which seems unrealistic. I know the Dodgers have already extended League, but the Dodgers do have a ton of money spend literally.

FWIW Jordan Bastian tweeted this

@MLBastian: Indians have met with free-agent corner infielder Mark Reynolds. Power-hitting righty for 1B. Yankees also in mix, plus others.

[homerawayfromhome]

I'm not a social media guy, so I really don't see a lot of tweets unless they are posted here or another web site.

[GoTribe028]

I'm not a social media guy, so I really don't see a lot of tweets unless they are posted here or another web site.

I understand, that tweet was literally just posted a few minutes ago. Twitter is good for sites like MLBTraderumors

[GoTribe028]

Kind of a surprise trade, Detroit traded Andy Oliver to Pittsburgh

@DKnobler: Tigers announce Andy Oliver to Pirates for Ramon Cabrera

[GoTribe028]

From Jon Heyman

@JonHeymanCBS: Dbacks still working to get adrubal. #indians looking at stephen drew, dee gordon as possible replacements

[GoTribe028]

@JonHeymanCBS: Big Pelf getting a lot of play: mariners, indians, twins, others

[Hermie13]

I'd prefer to land Reynolds or Swisher myself. Curious what kind of offer they'd make Swisher I could see him landing something like 4 yrs / $52 M. I'd probably offer Reynolds 2 yrs / $17 M to get him signed and try to land Nate Scheirholtz for LF with an offer of 2 yrs / $4 M with incentives.

I'd love to see the Tribe land Trevor Bauer, if Tyler Skaggs is the hold up maybe the Tribe could entice the Dbax to add Skaggs by adding in Marson or Smith.

Part of the mega deal I posted last night had Choo going to TB and the Tribe netting Chris Archer and Alex Cobb of the Rays, I don't see why the Tribe just doesn't try to work Choo for Archer and a prospect.

Tampa isn't about to surrender Archer plus for 1 season of Choo. Tampa is all about value. They want hitting with little service time or plenty or team control just like the Indians want pitching of the same ilk.

Marson and/or Smith aren't that valuable.

I agree on the Rays and Choo. I could see a fit with Choo but not for Archer.

I think I prefer Reynolds to Youkilis myself. Less questions, more power.

I disagree on Smith not being valuable. Has turned in back-to-back very good seasons in relief. Not expecting the moon for him, but he should have solid trade value. 67 innings in each of the past 2 seasons with WHIPs of 1.09 and 1.16..very solid. Can see Marson not having a lot of value though.

I'm torn on Reynolds vs Youk. Like them both and agree less questions on Reynolds and more power, plus younger and more athletic at this stage. Still like Youk a lot though, and wonder how he'd play with the old manager back, plus a move to 1B/DH to help keep him healthy.


Think some people are selling Reynolds short though. Getting compared to Dunn, which I don't agree with. More closely related to Carlos Pena than Dunn IMO. Reynolds is much more athletic than Dunn and a better defender. Sure he was terrible at 3B but ok at 1B and I bet he'd be a much better defensive OFer than Dunn if moved out there. 2yr/$17M or so seems fair IMO for Reynolds though would prefer a 1 year deal. Tribe offered Carlos Pena 1yr/$8M last year (reportedly) and think Reynolds could be worth the same (and is a better fit being RH). Career .809 OPS vs Pena's .822. 4 years younger than Pena was, and while Reynolds strikes out a ton, not like Pena doesn't as well (not as much but still). Pena struck out 161 times in 2011 before the Tribe signed him...Reynolds was at 196 in 2011. 35 more times is a lot but at that point does it make that big a difference if the guy puts up 25-35 HRs and posts a decent OBP for a 5/6 hole hitter?

[Hermie13]

From Jon Heyman

@JonHeymanCBS: Dbacks still working to get adrubal. #indians looking at stephen drew, dee gordon as possible replacements

I was wondering if we'd hear Drew's name linked to Cleveland if we moved Cabrera. Tribe was really high on him in the draft but passed due to concerns over bonus demands. There's a good family connection there too with the Tribe having had Tim in their system before and JD having played several years for Francona in Boston...

[Hermie13]

I'd want Reynolds to play 1b where he's actually decent.

The Tribe must feel close on an ACab trade to be looking seriously at Gordon...just my thoughts. My. Concern is the cost to acq. Gordon I don't see the Dodgers wanting a number of prospects could be something like Chris Perez for Gordon and a prospect (I'd want Zach Lee or Yasel Puig) ---which seems unrealistic. I know the Dodgers have already extended League, but the Dodgers do have a ton of money spend literally.

Not sure what they're asking for Dee Gordon, but doubt Chris Perez is a guy they'd target. They just signed Brandon League to a 3 year deal and are paying him closer money, plus still have Jansen around.

I'm starting to wonder if the Tribe is just not goign to be be able to find a trade partner for Perez with how much he makes...

[GoTribe028]

From Jon Heyman

@JonHeymanCBS: folks involved in 3- and 4-way w/ upton and asdrubal Not optimistic it'll get done here. 1 issue: JU > AC

[A.Zajac]

From Jon Heyman

@JonHeymanCBS: folks involved in 3- and 4-way w/ upton and asdrubal Not optimistic it'll get done here. 1 issue: JU > AC

From all indications, Upton has never been realistically considered for Cabrera.... It's always been Skaggs/Bauer/Bradley.. Not sure why some media are even paying attention to Upton to CLE. The only way Upton is involved in a deal with Cleveland is if it's a multi-team deal.

[BrianM]

I would be very curious to know what is actually being talked about in a 3 way deal between AZ, TX, and us. If the Dbacks are moving Upton, than that basically means Bauer/Skaggs would be completely off the table, right? Maybe if it were something like Acab-Olt-J Smith to Arizona, Perez-Bauer to Cleveland, Upton to Texas, it would work? Arizona kind of seems like theyre getting the shaft in this deal. I know Texas wants Upton, but it seems like things would be more realistic if they were just banished from the trade discussions. Teams like Atlanta and Seattle seem like a better fit...Seattle wants Kubel/Choo, and the Braves had showed interest in Choo, and both have good young pitching.

[BrianM]

From Jon Heyman

@JonHeymanCBS: folks involved in 3- and 4-way w/ upton and asdrubal Not optimistic it'll get done here. 1 issue: JU > AC

From all indications, Upton has never been realistically considered for Cabrera.... It's always been Skaggs/Bauer/Bradley.. Not sure why some media are even paying attention to Upton to CLE. The only way Upton is involved in a deal with Cleveland is if it's a multi-team deal.

I think the problem here is that AZ would be sending Upton away to Texas, and only getting Cabrera from the Indians in Return.

[Hermie13]

I get the feeling Cabrera won't be traded by the end of the meetings. I won't go as far as saying he won't be dealt by Opening Day.. but from all indications, it seems like Arizona and Cleveland can't agree on many things.

On that note, I'd want Bauer over Skaggs. I know there seems to be a few more concerns with Bauer currently, but I feel like his upside might be slightly higher. That said, I still wouldn't do Cabrera for Bauer straight up.

Maybe it's just me but feel like Texas is the one that just seems to be messing things up here. I'm sure the D'backs and Indians are having issues agreeing on things, but Texas just keeps trying for Upton but won't give up a SS, keep trying to get a 3rd, 4th or hell maybe even a 5th team involved. Things just seem to make more sense if you take Texas out of the equation. I think even a 3-team deal of the d'backs, Indians, and Rays makes more sense than fooling around with the Rangers.

[Hermie13]

From Jon Heyman

@JonHeymanCBS: folks involved in 3- and 4-way w/ upton and asdrubal Not optimistic it'll get done here. 1 issue: JU > AC

From all indications, Upton has never been realistically considered for Cabrera.... It's always been Skaggs/Bauer/Bradley.. Not sure why some media are even paying attention to Upton to CLE. The only way Upton is involved in a deal with Cleveland is if it's a multi-team deal.

I think the problem here is that AZ would be sending Upton away to Texas, and only getting Cabrera from the Indians in Return.

That's my understanding as well Brian.

[A.Zajac]

Might be why earlier the Royals were reportedly involved...

Said this above, but I just don't feel as if this deal will get done by week's end. Not saying it won't by Opening Day.. but this thing is far from being done.

[Rocky55]

I get the feeling Cabrera won't be traded by the end of the meetings. I won't go as far as saying he won't be dealt by Opening Day.. but from all indications, it seems like Arizona and Cleveland can't agree on many things.

On that note, I'd want Bauer over Skaggs. I know there seems to be a few more concerns with Bauer currently, but I feel like his upside might be slightly higher. That said, I still wouldn't do Cabrera for Bauer straight up.

Maybe it's just me but feel like Texas is the one that just seems to be messing things up here. I'm sure the D'backs and Indians are having issues agreeing on things, but Texas just keeps trying for Upton but won't give up a SS, keep trying to get a 3rd, 4th or hell maybe even a 5th team involved. Things just seem to make more sense if you take Texas out of the equation. I think even a 3-team deal of the d'backs, Indians, and Rays makes more sense than fooling around with the Rangers.

I'm not sure why we don't just deal with AZ. Surely we can get two pitchers for Asdrubal. If not, we kick in a sweetener. They have what we want & we have what they want. We've known this for months. Wish they'd stop screwing around.

[GeronimoSon]

well.. the end of the third day of the winter meetings.. teams are beginning to go home and no real deal has been struck as the participants can't seem to agree on value. The Dbax are essentially unwilling or unable to get over the idea that they'd be receiving prospect and a SS for Upton. They want a prospect SS and prospects for Upton, which isn't happening.

This puts the DBax out of the mix as a trading partner, imho...

The best candidates for a trade are looking like the Cardinals & Mariners (my personal favorite from the outset).

First the Cardinals: There was a note that said the Indians had a Seth Blair, Matt Adams & Matt Carpenter for Asdrubal but the Indians turned this deal down. That was supposed to be a couple days before the start of the winter meetings. Then, to open the meetings, the Indians and Cardinals got together where the Indians asked for Lance Lynn, Seth Blair & Matt Adams. This time the Cardinals said no.. So it would appear that the difference in value between Matt Carpenter and Lance Lynn is the 'threshold' that made a difference to the Cardinals. Perhaps that is where the Indians original claim that they wanted 3 or 4 prospects for Asdrubal originated.. but I cannot be sure. If the Indians were to revisit the original trade proposed by the Cardinals or came to an amenable agreement on a player that would be withing the "value difference" of Carpenter and Lynn, then perhaps a deal can be struck...

The Mariners offer a very similar package of young SP's that interest the Indians & they have a BUNCH of them. The Indians match up particularly well with the M's in as much as the M's need a SS. Asdrubal Cabrera would very much fit into the M's profile for what they're looking at. It would allow them to give Nick Franklin another year to develop fully in the minors. It would make Brendan Ryan a sure handed defensive replacement back up (where he belongs) and it returns a guy who the M's let get away. Karma can be a bitch, but not in this case. The Ms can offer any number of possible iterations for a trade. One of Paxton/Mauer, one of Pryor/Capps and one of Stefen Romero/Leon Landry/Francisco Martinez would make the three part deal. Personally, I'd also love to see the return of Gutierrez) IF the M's want Choo as well. This would complete the return of their lost players, take more of these prospects. The M's would protect the long list of their best SPs and their coveted Z-man and Nick Franklin, as well.. It's a trade where everyone wins now.. wins tomorrow and wins in the future...

[Hermie13]

I would be very curious to know what is actually being talked about in a 3 way deal between AZ, TX, and us. If the Dbacks are moving Upton, than that basically means Bauer/Skaggs would be completely off the table, right? Maybe if it were something like Acab-Olt-J Smith to Arizona, Perez-Bauer to Cleveland, Upton to Texas, it would work? Arizona kind of seems like theyre getting the shaft in this deal. I know Texas wants Upton, but it seems like things would be more realistic if they were just banished from the trade discussions. Teams like Atlanta and Seattle seem like a better fit...Seattle wants Kubel/Choo, and the Braves had showed interest in Choo, and both have good young pitching.

ha. Looks like we think alike here. Texas seems to want Upton but just seems to want steal him away from the Dbacks or make a 3rd team deal their SS for him. I really don't see why the D'backs are that motivated to move Upton to the Rangers. I know they'd love a guy like Andrus, but if he's off the table and the Rangers are trying to get Cabrera dealt there as part of a 3-team deal, why not look at moving Upton to someone else? Like the Rays, Mariners, Braves, or even Phillies?

[GeronimoSon]

Btw.. if the Indians complete a deal (with the Mariners or Cardinals) I'd suggest trading Choo to Cincinnati for Didi Gregorius and perhaps Neftali Soto unless a bona fide young SP is possible..

[Hermie13]

I get the feeling Cabrera won't be traded by the end of the meetings. I won't go as far as saying he won't be dealt by Opening Day.. but from all indications, it seems like Arizona and Cleveland can't agree on many things.

On that note, I'd want Bauer over Skaggs. I know there seems to be a few more concerns with Bauer currently, but I feel like his upside might be slightly higher. That said, I still wouldn't do Cabrera for Bauer straight up.

Maybe it's just me but feel like Texas is the one that just seems to be messing things up here. I'm sure the D'backs and Indians are having issues agreeing on things, but Texas just keeps trying for Upton but won't give up a SS, keep trying to get a 3rd, 4th or hell maybe even a 5th team involved. Things just seem to make more sense if you take Texas out of the equation. I think even a 3-team deal of the d'backs, Indians, and Rays makes more sense than fooling around with the Rangers.

I'm not sure why we don't just deal with AZ. Surely we can get two pitchers for Asdrubal. If not, we kick in a sweetener. They have what we want & we have what they want. We've known this for months. Wish they'd stop screwing around.

Agree.

It almost seems like the D'backs are just deadset on moving Upton this winter and don't want to deal for a SS til they rule out moving Upton for one.

Honestly can't remember this much chatter about a potential offseason Tribe trade since the Coco Crisp to Boston deal and all those talks.

[Hermie13]

Btw.. if the Indians complete a deal (with the Mariners or Cardinals) I'd suggest trading Choo to Cincinnati for Didi Gregorius and perhaps Neftali Soto unless a bona fide young SP is possible..

If the Reds end up getting Ludwick though as reports are suggesting not sure Choo is a fit in Cincy. Think it'd be a stretch to move Bruce to CF to accommodate Choo in RF.

[BrianM]

Ok...Here's an option. This would not be my preference, because I would like either Skaggs/ Bauer

Indians get: Derek Holland, Martin Perez, Archie Bradley
Dbacks get: Acab, Mike Olt, Joe Smith, D. Paulino
Rangers get: J Upton

I don't know how Derek Holland is valued by the Rangers or in the industry, but I have always liked him. Hard throwing Lefty.

The Dbacks get to hang on to both Skaggs and Bauer. The Indians get 2 now type pitchers, and a VERY good young prospect without adding one of their other major trade chips. Texas gets their man without giving up one of their SS and shed a little bit of payroll by dealing Holland.

I'm sure there is a reason this wouldn't fly, but I'm just trying to be creative and fairly realistic.

[Hermie13]

Ok...Here's an option. This would not be my preference, because I would like either Skaggs/ Bauer

Indians get: Derek Holland, Martin Perez, Archie Bradley
Dbacks get: Acab, Mike Olt, Joe Smith, D. Paulino
Rangers get: J Upton

I don't know how Derek Holland is valued by the Rangers or in the industry, but I have always liked him. Hard throwing Lefty.

The Dbacks get to hang on to both Skaggs and Bauer. The Indians get 2 now type pitchers, and a VERY good young prospect without adding one of their other major trade chips. Texas gets their man without giving up one of their SS and shed a little bit of payroll by dealing Holland.

I'm sure there is a reason this wouldn't fly, but I'm just trying to be creative and fairly realistic.

I think the D'backs are winning huge in that scenario. Can't see the Rangers giving up that much for Upton. An interesting idea though. Not a big fan of trading Paulino though Tribe does need pitching.

[homerawayfromhome]

@ Brian,
that seems like a pretty sound scenario, I'll tweak that a bit though...

Tribe gets Bauer, Mperez, Olt
Dbax gets Holland, ACab
Rangers get JUpton

[GeronimoSon]

Btw.. if the Indians complete a deal (with the Mariners or Cardinals) I'd suggest trading Choo to Cincinnati for Didi Gregorius and perhaps Neftali Soto unless a bona fide young SP is possible..

If the Reds end up getting Ludwick though as reports are suggesting not sure Choo is a fit in Cincy. Think it'd be a stretch to move Bruce to CF to accommodate Choo in RF.

The Reds don't have Ludwick. He's a free agent.

edit.. and IF the reds get Jason Heyward who they're not trading for, they they don't need Ludwick either.. either way they don't have Ludwick, who might end up in Baltimore as a likely destination.

[BrianM]

Ok...Here's an option. This would not be my preference, because I would like either Skaggs/ Bauer

Indians get: Derek Holland, Martin Perez, Archie Bradley
Dbacks get: Acab, Mike Olt, Joe Smith, D. Paulino
Rangers get: J Upton

I don't know how Derek Holland is valued by the Rangers or in the industry, but I have always liked him. Hard throwing Lefty.

The Dbacks get to hang on to both Skaggs and Bauer. The Indians get 2 now type pitchers, and a VERY good young prospect without adding one of their other major trade chips. Texas gets their man without giving up one of their SS and shed a little bit of payroll by dealing Holland.

I'm sure there is a reason this wouldn't fly, but I'm just trying to be creative and fairly realistic.

I think the D'backs are winning huge in that scenario. Can't see the Rangers giving up that much for Upton. An interesting idea though. Not a big fan of trading Paulino though Tribe does need pitching.

I agree the Dbacks are winning big. I'm still trying to put myself in the position of all three GM's and trying to figure out what everyone would want. I'm not a big Upton fan personally, but Arizona should feel like they're winning big if they deal Upton. I don't think a deal will get done for them that includes Upton unless it brings in a pretty massive haul. Kinda similar to how we value ACab. I think everyone win's big in this. I was debating on adding Paulino. Obviously I would like to keep him, but the 3 pitchers we would be receiving seem like it would be worth the risk.

I like your trade better Homer. It would come down to whether or not the Dbacks thought they were getting enough in return for Upton.

[GeronimoSon]

@ Brian,
that seems like a pretty sound scenario, I'll tweak that a bit though...

Tribe gets Bauer, Mperez, Olt
Dbax gets Holland, ACab
Rangers get JUpton

Like this version of Brian's trade suggestion. No Paulino being thrown away..

[GeronimoSon]

Ok...Here's an option. This would not be my preference, because I would like either Skaggs/ Bauer

Indians get: Derek Holland, Martin Perez, Archie Bradley
Dbacks get: Acab, Mike Olt, Joe Smith, D. Paulino
Rangers get: J Upton

I don't know how Derek Holland is valued by the Rangers or in the industry, but I have always liked him. Hard throwing Lefty.

The Dbacks get to hang on to both Skaggs and Bauer. The Indians get 2 now type pitchers, and a VERY good young prospect without adding one of their other major trade chips. Texas gets their man without giving up one of their SS and shed a little bit of payroll by dealing Holland.

I'm sure there is a reason this wouldn't fly, but I'm just trying to be creative and fairly realistic.

I think the D'backs are winning huge in that scenario. Can't see the Rangers giving up that much for Upton. An interesting idea though. Not a big fan of trading Paulino though Tribe does need pitching.

I agree the Dbacks are winning big. I'm still trying to put myself in the position of all three GM's and trying to figure out what everyone would want. I'm not a big Upton fan personally, but Arizona should feel like they're winning big if they deal Upton. I don't think a deal will get done for them that includes Upton unless it brings in a pretty massive haul. Kinda similar to how we value ACab. I think everyone win's big in this. I was debating on adding Paulino. Obviously I would like to keep him, but the 3 pitchers we would be receiving seem like it would be worth the risk.

I like your trade better Homer. It would come down to whether or not the Dbacks thought they were getting enough in return for Upton.

Brian.. yes.. the Dbax have to be more content to receive a ML SP to go with an All Star SS.

The DBax haven't won anything (huge or otherwise) by holding onto Upton at this point. Until they decide to blink, nothing is going to happen for them. They also don't have any "winning" options for SS other than the Winkin Blinkin and Nod..

[homerawayfromhome]

I could see the Dbax wanting more if that were the deal maybe the Tribe kicks in Tony Wolters to the Dbax, while the Rangers send them Wilmer Font. So here's how that would look...

Tribe - Trevor Bauer, Martin Perez, Mike Olt
Dbax - Derek Holland, Asdrubal Cabrera, Wilmer Font, Tony Wolters
Rangers - Justin Upton

[homerawayfromhome]

The Cubs make another low key move signing Nate Schierholtz to a 1 yr $2.25 M deal with 500 k in incentives. The Cubs having seemingly done well making several low risk / short term type signings Baker, Feldman and Fujikawa.

[GeronimoSon]

Brian/OB.. there would be one tweak to this...

Tribe gets Trevor Bauer, Mike Olt and two of Tepesch, Guzman and Brinson
Dbax gets Derek Holland, Asdrubal Cabrera
Rangers get Justin Upton

Personally, I'd rather NOT see Martin Perez as a starting pitcher at the next level. He should NOT be part of this deal going to the Indians. I would prefer a group of far away prospects with moderate to huge upside like Tepesch, Guzman and or Brinson

[GeronimoSon]

I could see the Dbax wanting more if that were the deal maybe the Tribe kicks in Tony Wolters to the Dbax, while the Rangers send them Wilmer Font. So here's how that would look...

Tribe - Trevor Bauer, Martin Perez, Mike Olt
Dbax - Derek Holland, Asdrubal Cabrera, Wilmer Font, Tony Wolters
Rangers - Justin Upton

I'd be okay with this as well.. with the exclusion of Martin Perez for the trio listed in the posting right above..

[Rocky55]

I could see the Dbax wanting more if that were the deal maybe the Tribe kicks in Tony Wolters to the Dbax, while the Rangers send them Wilmer Font. So here's how that would look...

Tribe - Trevor Bauer, Martin Perez, Mike Olt
Dbax - Derek Holland, Asdrubal Cabrera, Wilmer Font, Tony Wolters
Rangers - Justin Upton

Texas giving up a lot for Upton here. I like this one better, minus Paulino. Add anyone but Paulino & Lindor.

Ok...Here's an option. This would not be my preference, because I would like either Skaggs/ Bauer

Indians get: Derek Holland, Martin Perez, Archie Bradley
Dbacks get: Acab, Mike Olt, Joe Smith, D. Paulino
Rangers get: J Upton

I don't know how Derek Holland is valued by the Rangers or in the industry, but I have always liked him. Hard throwing Lefty.

The Dbacks get to hang on to both Skaggs and Bauer. The Indians get 2 now type pitchers, and a VERY good young prospect without adding one of their other major trade chips. Texas gets their man without giving up one of their SS and shed a little bit of payroll by dealing Holland.

I'm sure there is a reason this wouldn't fly, but I'm just trying to be creative and fairly realistic.

Minus Paulino, this one might actually work.

Edit: Oh yeah, I don't want Perez either. I do want Holland & Bradley...I'm confused.

[Hermie13]

Btw.. if the Indians complete a deal (with the Mariners or Cardinals) I'd suggest trading Choo to Cincinnati for Didi Gregorius and perhaps Neftali Soto unless a bona fide young SP is possible..

If the Reds end up getting Ludwick though as reports are suggesting not sure Choo is a fit in Cincy. Think it'd be a stretch to move Bruce to CF to accommodate Choo in RF.

The Reds don't have Ludwick. He's a free agent.

Yup, hence the part where I said IF they end up getting him.