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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby homerawayfromhome » Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:06 pm

Agreed on both of those I'd throw out if the Tribe could sign Scott Hairston or Jonny Gomes for 2yrs /$6M and land Melky Cabrera at 1yr / $6M with an option and incentives.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby ironmike » Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:37 pm

End of story? Rogers is now out of baseball? A guy with an arm and the ability to throw strikes like Rogers will be around for a long time. He's a Mike Jackson type.

Geronimo, either of the four guys you listed won't duplicate Roger's year. I got a hundred dollar bill here on the table say they don't. Keep trying.

Roger's BB-K ratio was outstanding and he gave up less hits than innings pitched, he'll be missed.

Trading a solid bullpen guy who throws strikes for a 32 year old journeyman and an unproven minor leaguer is a stretch. This team needs three professional hitters and two really good starting pitchers. Now trading a Rogers in deal that helps fix those holes yes, not for the guys they got.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GoTribe028 » Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:45 pm

From Ken Rosenthal today

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/phil ... ncy-110412

*Don’t be surprised to hear the names of virtually every Indian in trade discussions this off-season. Club officials plan to gauge the market thoroughly, much as the Rays and other teams often do with their players.

The most likely Indians to be dealt: Right fielder Shin-Soo Choo, closer Chris Perez, shortstop Asdrubal Cabrera
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Nothing really surprising there IMO. Still don't believe they deal either Choo or Cabrera right now. I'm less uncertain about Perez. Just my opinion though.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby homerawayfromhome » Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:18 pm

I doubt Perez is off the table although I could see the Tribe look to add a low level FA arm in the pen OR as an add in to a trade OR potentially like last yr (Wheeler, Ray, Accardo).

I can see the Tribe bringing back Raffy Perez with hopes he's 100%. He's a low risk ($2 M) and has a good history.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GeronimoSon » Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:14 pm

I doubt that Tito Francona signed up for this.. but WFNY via Buster Olney has the solution:

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2012/ ... d-pestano/

This is the way to go?...
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby homerawayfromhome » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:29 pm

I'm not in on a complete tear down of this franchise. I would build to win now and more so in the future. That's said the window is smaller as a small mkt team. We all get that and it's been worn out. They have to draft right---I think they've done well in the Brad Grant era---but they need more and better pitching. Back to last yr, I get the approach for numerous upside talent. The Tribe has to be creative think outside the box take chances ie: Otani, Giolito. WOW! What if they went after 1, or even BOTH and 1 actually hits on his potential. Last yr th Tribe had the opportunity to draft young arms like Giolito, Stratton and Wacha but passes for Naquin? I like Brad Grant as I've said he's done well and that's my largest gripe with him. I hope Naquin turns out to be at least a Gerard Parra type.

Sorry for the diatribe, this team can build now and for the future -the rotation is the key- adding a balancing force like Edwin Jackson or Anibal Sanchez would be idea. I think it may be more realistic the Tribe tries to flip Choo or ACab for a solid now arm like Jon Niese, Derek Holland, Zack Wheeler, Tyler Skaggs, Patrick Corbin, Dan Straily, or Trevor Bauer. At the same time the team can go out and sign a guy like Joe Blanton or Francisco Liriano to take some pressure off the young guns.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby BrianM » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:59 am

GeronimoSon wrote:I doubt that Tito Francona signed up for this.. but WFNY via Buster Olney has the solution:

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2012/ ... d-pestano/

This is the way to go?...


Maybe. We either don't do it at all and try to compete right now, do it halfway by trading guys like Choo and Perez for prospects that would add to the 2015 talent wave while still putting a decent team on the field, or do it all the way and plan for our window of contention to be from 2015-2018.

I don't know what we should do, but whatever they go with, they need to be 100% dedicated to it. If we want to compete now, throw money at FA's. If we wanna halfway it, spend decent money on guys who actually have some upside and can give us at least a little bit of optimism. If we blow it up, do your research, and get the most valuable prospects you can find...no settling on a surplus of mid tier guys.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the FO has not made a choice yet. I believe Tony when he says the plan is to compete, but im sure we will be listening to every offer trying to get a sense of the market for our guys. If we can get more than we had anticipated, the plans may change quickly.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby ironmike » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:26 am

Lots of substance in this article, but one glaring statement.

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2012/ ... d-pestano/

Rival evaluators say our farm system is not capable of serving as a rebound tool which should be another reason our entire front office and the BS machine should be dismantled. Who should take the blame to this? Tony explained in a recent article Mirabelli is still very much apart of the selection process. Wow, all the same guys who put us in this jam.
Unbelievable. Pretty hard to sell season tickets, partnerships and sponsors when operating like this now that the front office has been exposed.

Trading away a teams best players hardly ever works. It plugs a hole but springs another. Without a defining, productive farm system no team can compete.

Until we get a Hank Greenberg / Hank Peters or John Hart back in our front office expect more of the same.

Don't see this ownership being to last another 3 years. They won't be able to overcome the apathy.

Realize fans are fanatics. Fanatics can't think rationally and defend their own ideas with their fragile egos. Facts are facts, there is a way to build and maintain a competitive team, it starts with the right owner, dictating the right business model and hiring the right people. None of what we have at this time.

Be careful about what you read and believe.

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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GeronimoSon » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:29 am

Homer/Brian.. First.. thanks for responding.. The 100% dedication to the "play", whatever that plan may be, makes sense. In basketball, the worst spot to be is stuck in the middle..not good enough to compete, not bad enough to acquire that front line, best player that impacts the team to greater glory. In football, the same thing exists.. In baseball..well, not so much. The only way a club can get better right now is spend incredible amounts of money and hope everyone stays healthy and plays up to or above their previous standards. The Indians "went for it" when they attempted to sign Jake Westbrook, Travis Hafner, and CC Sabathia.. with just under three months left in the season, CC, said no, was dealt to the Brewers and that started the spiral down. Instead of waiting for the last three months, the Indians FO decided to trade Cliff Lee when he'd have MUCH more value to the Indians.. Jason Knapp's injury history/risk bit the Indians, Carlos Carrasco showed promised, however ended up injured & needed surgery, Jason Donald didn't develop into a middle infield stud and Lou Marson became the Indians back up catcher..

The Indians find themselves at a new crossroads.. They lack power/impact hitters. They lack power/impact pitchers. The problem is further exacerbated with a weak FA class and the 'concept' that Cleveland is NOT a destination city. Tough obstacles to overcome. Free Agency is not free. Free Agency has proven to be the worst and most expensive means to build a club. The Indians along with EVERY other team has found this to be true. If the Indians never sign another free agent in their history, it wouldn't affect the team's success one bit. Line in the movie "Moneyball", NO MORE BUNTING / STEALING.. For the Indians, NO MORE FREE AGENTS. They're not free and they waste considerable resources for limited and declining returns. That leaves impressive drafting & player development and astute trading. Well.. the 2008 through 2011 drafts look like they could be pretty good. The 2012 could be the worst draft in the last ten. There does not appear to be a single impact player coming from that draft at this time.. That could change.. The astute trades during that time..well some good ones.. some not so good. The jury is out on a couple of them. (Peralta/Garko/Lee/etc)

Competing.. even when the Indians aren't favored or don't seem to have the horses to compete, they are competing. Baseball is a funny game.. When every team wins 54 games.. and every team loses 54 games.. the difference in talent, luck and durability all become vastly more important. The Indians ALWAYS compete.. and always will. CA or MS were correct in pointing out that the Indians have occupied first place in the American League Central Division more than any other team in the last two years. It's a clear exhibition that they are competing.
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Rustymike..As far as re-posting the link.. keep up the childishness. Then find your crisp $ 100 bill when you watch as any one of the four RP's mentioned or the others on the farm post better numbers that Esmil Cy Rogers...lol
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GeronimoSon » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:24 pm

BR had a listing of potential trades to watch for during the coming GM and Winter Meetings. The detail of the listing was a bit scarce, but, interesting, none the less:

J-Upton to the Pirates: Reasoning: The Pirates fell apart after the All Star break primarily due to lack of offensive punch. The addition of J-Upton should help solve that problem..

Michael Cuddyer from the Rockies to the Red Sox: the Red Sox wanted Cuddyer last year. Now with their new found riches and voided spots in their lineup, they will rejoin their pursuit of Cuddyer who will be 'expendable' to the Rox...

Jason Vargas of the M's to the O's: O's need pitching and have a group of prospects who aren't ready..

Denard Span, Twins, to the Nats for Ian Desmond and an RP: Fills two teams needs and opens the door for blocked prospects

Matt Garza, Cubs / Jays: Jays are looking for SP depth and no better place to find it than at the front of the rotation.

Shin-soo Choo to the Phillies: Desperate times call for... Limited commitment works well with Phillies current window of contention.

James Shields to the Dodgers: Dodgers building to win now. Shields is a now kind of pitcher.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GoTribe028 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:15 pm

GeronimoSon wrote:BR had a listing of potential trades to watch for during the coming GM and Winter Meetings. The detail of the listing was a bit scarce, but, interesting, none the less:

J-Upton to the Pirates: Reasoning: The Pirates fell apart after the All Star break primarily due to lack of offensive punch. The addition of J-Upton should help solve that problem..

Michael Cuddyer from the Rockies to the Red Sox: the Red Sox wanted Cuddyer last year. Now with their new found riches and voided spots in their lineup, they will rejoin their pursuit of Cuddyer who will be 'expendable' to the Rox...

Jason Vargas of the M's to the O's: O's need pitching and have a group of prospects who aren't ready..

Denard Span, Twins, to the Nats for Ian Desmond and an RP: Fills two teams needs and opens the door for blocked prospects

Matt Garza, Cubs / Jays: Jays are looking for SP depth and no better place to find it than at the front of the rotation.

Shin-soo Choo to the Phillies: Desperate times call for... Limited commitment works well with Phillies current window of contention.

James Shields to the Dodgers: Dodgers building to win now. Shields is a now kind of pitcher.


NO offense to you, but Bleacher Report is awful. Probably the worst sites of sports rumors and commentary.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GoTribe028 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:19 pm

Ken Rosenthal wrote this today for what it's worth...

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/gene ... son-110612

2. How long until the first trade between the Indians and Red Sox?

It will be a mild surprise if the two franchises don’t strike at least one trade this winter.
The environment is ideally suited to a deal: The front offices know each other well, and they have been frequent trading partners. The Indians are coming off a 94-loss season and could begin another rebuild by trading the likes of outfielder Shin-Soo Choo, shortstop Asdrubal Cabrera, closer Chris Perez and starting pitcher Justin Masterson. Each could fill an area of need for the Red Sox, who have financial flexibility thanks to their August blockbuster with the Dodgers.

On top of that, new Cleveland manager Terry Francona has intimate knowledge of Boston’s prospects through his tenure with the Red Sox. John Farrell, the new skipper in Boston, had a good relationship with Masterson when the right-hander was a Red Sox prospect during Farrell’s time as the Boston pitching coach.

Stay tuned.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby BrianM » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:59 am

GoTribe028 wrote:Ken Rosenthal wrote this today for what it's worth...

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/gene ... son-110612

2. How long until the first trade between the Indians and Red Sox?

It will be a mild surprise if the two franchises don’t strike at least one trade this winter.
The environment is ideally suited to a deal: The front offices know each other well, and they have been frequent trading partners. The Indians are coming off a 94-loss season and could begin another rebuild by trading the likes of outfielder Shin-Soo Choo, shortstop Asdrubal Cabrera, closer Chris Perez and starting pitcher Justin Masterson. Each could fill an area of need for the Red Sox, who have financial flexibility thanks to their August blockbuster with the Dodgers.

On top of that, new Cleveland manager Terry Francona has intimate knowledge of Boston’s prospects through his tenure with the Red Sox. John Farrell, the new skipper in Boston, had a good relationship with Masterson when the right-hander was a Red Sox prospect during Farrell’s time as the Boston pitching coach.

Stay tuned.


"On top of that, new Cleveland manager Terry Francona has intimate knowledge of Boston’s prospects"

Well, I had not considered the reality of this wonderful statement. Geronimo, throw some realistic indians/sox trades out there please (or anybody else who has knowledge of the sox system).
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:43 am

BrianM wrote:
GoTribe028 wrote:Ken Rosenthal wrote this today for what it's worth...

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/gene ... son-110612

2. How long until the first trade between the Indians and Red Sox?

It will be a mild surprise if the two franchises don’t strike at least one trade this winter.
The environment is ideally suited to a deal: The front offices know each other well, and they have been frequent trading partners. The Indians are coming off a 94-loss season and could begin another rebuild by trading the likes of outfielder Shin-Soo Choo, shortstop Asdrubal Cabrera, closer Chris Perez and starting pitcher Justin Masterson. Each could fill an area of need for the Red Sox, who have financial flexibility thanks to their August blockbuster with the Dodgers.

On top of that, new Cleveland manager Terry Francona has intimate knowledge of Boston’s prospects through his tenure with the Red Sox. John Farrell, the new skipper in Boston, had a good relationship with Masterson when the right-hander was a Red Sox prospect during Farrell’s time as the Boston pitching coach.

Stay tuned.


"On top of that, new Cleveland manager Terry Francona has intimate knowledge of Boston’s prospects"

Well, I had not considered the reality of this wonderful statement. Geronimo, throw some realistic indians/sox trades out there please (or anybody else who has knowledge of the sox system).


Oh.. you want realistic trades..well, that's a bit of a fly in the ointment...

The Red Sox had what might be considered one of the premier drafts in 2011, getting Matt Barnes, Jackie Bradley, Blake Swihart and Henry Owens. These four picks are now in the Red Sox top ten prospects moving through their system. The Sox 2010 draft started with a dud with their regular pick (Kolbren Vitek), then improved with three risky, yet promising youngsters in Bryce Brentz, Anthony Ranaudo, & Brandon Workman. The Sox 2009 draft wasn't all, but their IFA signings are beginning to show why IFA's are so valuable. The Sox # 1 prospect, Xander Bogaerts, came in this group that includes Jose Vinicio, Keury de la Cruz, and Jose Iglesias, all position players. For whatever reason, the Sox seem to shy away from pitching IFA's for the most part (Stolmy Pimentel in 2006 and Simon Mercedes in 2012) are the only two ranked prospects in the sox top 40. Both of those guys are marginal/fringe prospects at best. Maybe there's a lesson there...

The Red Sox haven't had, or, perhaps kept a shortstop for more than two years since the departure of Nomar Garciaparra when he was traded to the Cubs part way through the 2004 season. Their problem continues to this day. They are RIPE for a trade involving an offensive SS like Asdrubal Cabrera. The Sox are also a large market team that will not have a restraint on extending a player who performs. The Sox have the same problems in LF and 1B as the Indians and don't have ready replacements. The Sox OF consists of Ellsbury who is in his contract walk year along with "two/three" other guys. So, a need exists there. The biggest area of concern for the Red Sox is their pitching staff. They are at least two SP's and two RP's short of a full deck. What does this mean regarding the needs of the Indians (SP, OF, & 1B ) & Red Sox (SS, SP, RP, 1B) as far as trades go? It means they fit and fit pretty well, especially when urgency is considered. The Red Sox are always in a "win now" mode. The Indians, well, not so much, but definitely that pressure still exists. What this means is the Indians can afford to be a bit more patient. The Sox can't.

A trade of any one of Justin Masterson (who John Farrell is alleged to be enamored of), Vinnie Pestano/Chris Perez/Cody Allen and Shin-soo Choo should net the Indians a bountiful return that could include any where from all 11 guys mentioned above for "The Three Little Indians" to a combination of two for one's or three for ones depending on who the Indians find to be irresistible. Sorry, this is as realistic as I can make it.. Otherwise, it would be a mere guess. Not that this diatribe isn't much more than that...

edit: MLB Trade Rumors had a posting regarding the Indians and the GM Meetings. In the comments section there were a number of suggested trades between the Indians and other clubs. How realistic those were..IDK.. no more or less than my posting, I suppose. Here's the link: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/i ... qus_thread

..and we all know MLB TR is the worst site for trade rumors too....rme...
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:58 pm

Yasmani Grandal, the Padres catcher obtained in the Matt Latos trade to Cincinnati, has been suspended by MLB for violating substance abuse rules.. The Padres may be interested in a recently bolstered catching staff, specifically, Lou Marson. It would be a minor'ish deal. The Padres played pretty well in the second half and could be a team looking for a defense minded immediate replacement that wouldn't break the bank and wouldn't be expected to hit 20 homers.. Sounds sort of like Sweet Lou. The Padres have a group of players in their far system that may be of interest including: Matt Clark, Andrew Cashner, and Rhymer Liriano (who would take more than just Marson to acquire)...
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GoTribe028 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:29 pm

Jerrod Goedert signed a minor league contract with the Pirates per Kenny Rosenthal.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:56 pm

A DBax fan wanted to know if there were any trade ideas out there..


This is my response: The Dbax are in need of an offensive SS that can cover the spot and remain in Arizona for more than a season at a reasonable price. The Indians Asdrubal Cabrera fits this profile as he's signed through 2014 for $ 8 MM/yr. Droobs can pick it at SS.. and he can hammer the ball. He's an all star for a reason there. The Indians can also offer some intersting bullpen arms. They include guys like Cody Allen, Vinnie Pestano and even Nick Hagadone. Just about anyone on the Indians not named Santana and Kipnis would be on the table, per se'. The Indians are in need of a RH hitting corner IF'er, an OF'er that can play LF, & of course, upside starting pitching arms.

The Dbax have quite a bit of depth in a couple of spots both at the ML level as well as their minor league system that are of considerable interest to the Indians. Guys that meet these requirements include but are not limited to SP candidates Tyler Skaggs & Andrew Chafin, Matt Davidson and Ryan Wheeler as the corner infielders and Gerardo Parra as the OF'er that can play LF. All of these guys would be likely to be considered from the DBax in a potential trade.

-Then I asked: What that specific trade would look like?.
-His response: IDK at this point, but it's a starting point.

I suggested: For Cabrera, DBax trade ideas might look something like: One of Skaggs/Chafin;
-If Skaggs, then add Wheeler and Parra.
- If Chafin then add Davidson and Parra.
DBax Fan: I'd do the chaffin trade for sure, skaggs has too much potential to risk

I'd do the Chafin trade too..
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:37 pm

According to reports, the D'backs are willing to listen to offers on Trevor Bauer...
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby JP_Frost » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:43 pm

There must be some kind of Asdrubal for Bauer scenario possible. Heck you could even package Choo with in there as well and make a blockbuster.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:45 pm

JP_Frost wrote:There must be some kind of Asdrubal for Bauer scenario possible. Heck you could even package Choo with in there as well and make a blockbuster.


Upton and Bauer for Choo, Asdrubal, and spec? One can dream right? :cool
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby Rocky55 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:56 pm

JP_Frost wrote:There must be some kind of Asdrubal for Bauer scenario possible. Heck you could even package Choo with in there as well and make a blockbuster.

Okay, Asdrubal & Choo for Skaggs & Bauer.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:31 pm

Rocky55 wrote:
JP_Frost wrote:There must be some kind of Asdrubal for Bauer scenario possible. Heck you could even package Choo with in there as well and make a blockbuster.

Okay, Asdrubal & Choo for Skaggs & Bauer.


Skaggs and Bauer would be an amazing pairing for us....not sure the plain dealer/cleveland.com could survive such a trade. Getting 2 rookies with ERAs over 5 (one over 6) for 2 of your best players....you think you've seen some wild posts there before, can't even imagine what'd be said there lol.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby Rocky55 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:48 pm

Hermie13 wrote:
Rocky55 wrote:
JP_Frost wrote:There must be some kind of Asdrubal for Bauer scenario possible. Heck you could even package Choo with in there as well and make a blockbuster.

Okay, Asdrubal & Choo for Skaggs & Bauer.


Skaggs and Bauer would be an amazing pairing for us....not sure the plain dealer/cleveland.com could survive such a trade. Getting 2 rookies with ERAs over 5 (one over 6) for 2 of your best players....you think you've seen some wild posts there before, can't even imagine what'd be said there lol.

Yeah. Three yrs later, when they were dominating. the same guys would say that they liked the trade from the start. :rolleyes
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GoTribe028 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:57 pm

Hermie13 wrote:
Rocky55 wrote:
JP_Frost wrote:There must be some kind of Asdrubal for Bauer scenario possible. Heck you could even package Choo with in there as well and make a blockbuster.

Okay, Asdrubal & Choo for Skaggs & Bauer.


Skaggs and Bauer would be an amazing pairing for us....not sure the plain dealer/cleveland.com could survive such a trade. Getting 2 rookies with ERAs over 5 (one over 6) for 2 of your best players....you think you've seen some wild posts there before, can't even imagine what'd be said there lol.


Screw the CleCom crowd. I thought Bleacher Report was bad enough, the Hoynes lemmings are a different breed.

Now back to the topic, I'm not too sure it would only be the CleCom crowd that would question that deal. Skaggs & Bauer are not without their warts. For a team that needs a lot, trading 2 of your better assets for just 2 pitching prospects (more or less still prospects) would probably be scrutinized by many, I would think anyway.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby homerawayfromhome » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:16 pm

If I'm the Tribe I'd offer ACab, Hannahan and Marson for Bauer and Parra.

What about Bauer for Lindor?

If Trevor Bauer is really available the Tribe has to try to land him. He has top of the rotation potential (2) and the Tribe reportedly had serious interest in him in the past. Not sure if that was just smoke but I'd go for it.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:25 pm

GoTribe028 wrote:
Hermie13 wrote:
Rocky55 wrote:
JP_Frost wrote:There must be some kind of Asdrubal for Bauer scenario possible. Heck you could even package Choo with in there as well and make a blockbuster.

Okay, Asdrubal & Choo for Skaggs & Bauer.


Skaggs and Bauer would be an amazing pairing for us....not sure the plain dealer/cleveland.com could survive such a trade. Getting 2 rookies with ERAs over 5 (one over 6) for 2 of your best players....you think you've seen some wild posts there before, can't even imagine what'd be said there lol.


Screw the CleCom crowd. I thought Bleacher Report was bad enough, the Hoynes lemmings are a different breed.

Now back to the topic, I'm not too sure it would only be the CleCom crowd that would question that deal. Skaggs & Bauer are not without their warts. For a team that needs a lot, trading 2 of your better assets for just 2 pitching prospects (more or less still prospects) would probably be scrutinized by many, I would think anyway.


I'm with you on this one. Skaggs and Bauer are two great young pitching talents but a lot of scouts have called Skaggs a #3 (though many others like him as a FOR guy) and Bauer is undersized with some baggage it seems (at least according to reports). And what about that workout of his between starts? Still doing it or did the D'backs make him stop (maybe leading to the rift)?
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:30 pm

homerawayfromhome wrote:If I'm the Tribe I'd offer ACab, Hannahan and Marson for Bauer and Parra.

What about Bauer for Lindor?

If Trevor Bauer is really available the Tribe has to try to land him. He has top of the rotation potential (2) and the Tribe reportedly had serious interest in him in the past. Not sure if that was just smoke but I'd go for it.


Depending just how far he's "fallen out of favor" with the D'backs this may not be an unreasonable trade. I'd think the D'backs would pass though as Bauer at least has gotten to the bigs and Lindor is a ways away but guess crazier things have happened.

Personally I'd pass on that though I am probably higher on Lindor than anyone.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GoTribe028 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:30 pm

Hermie13 wrote:
GoTribe028 wrote:
Hermie13 wrote:
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JP_Frost wrote:There must be some kind of Asdrubal for Bauer scenario possible. Heck you could even package Choo with in there as well and make a blockbuster.

Okay, Asdrubal & Choo for Skaggs & Bauer.


Skaggs and Bauer would be an amazing pairing for us....not sure the plain dealer/cleveland.com could survive such a trade. Getting 2 rookies with ERAs over 5 (one over 6) for 2 of your best players....you think you've seen some wild posts there before, can't even imagine what'd be said there lol.


Screw the CleCom crowd. I thought Bleacher Report was bad enough, the Hoynes lemmings are a different breed.

Now back to the topic, I'm not too sure it would only be the CleCom crowd that would question that deal. Skaggs & Bauer are not without their warts. For a team that needs a lot, trading 2 of your better assets for just 2 pitching prospects (more or less still prospects) would probably be scrutinized by many, I would think anyway.



I'm with you on this one. Skaggs and Bauer are two great young pitching talents but a lot of scouts have called Skaggs a #3 (though many others like him as a FOR guy) and Bauer is undersized with some baggage it seems (at least according to reports). And what about that workout of his between starts? Still doing it or did the D'backs make him stop (maybe leading to the rift)?


From what Buster Olney was tweeting about today on The twitter it does sound as though Bauer's personality and routine has rubbed a lot of the D-Backs brass the wrong way.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby homerawayfromhome » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:56 pm

Here's a hot stove video link from espn on the AL / NL central...
http://espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove12/story ... ue-central

Do we Tribe fans over rate our talent? Doesn't seem like Stark thinks so...
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Postby GoTribe028 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:22 am

Hoynes on The Twitter

GM Chris Antonetti on report that St. Louis is interested in SS Asdrubal Cabrera: "It's news to me." #Indians.


Somehow I doubt that.
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Postby GoTribe028 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:33 am

Arizona could end up looking elsewhere for a shortstop. Texas has expressed strong interest in Justin Upton but thus far Arizona is asking for either Elvlis Andrus or Jurickson Profar.

Texas will break eventually. If they want there man, they'll get him. Few teams have a better starting point than either Profar or Andrus to offer up for Upton. Talk about dealing from a strength.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby Edible14 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:57 am

I get the feeling that the team won't tear down completely. I don't know how secure the jobs are in that front office, but external pressure to have them canned is already pretty high. I can't imagine that Shapiro/Antonetti would be given yet another complete cycle to rebuild. It wouldn't surprise me if they only kept their jobs for this next season, and if they don't perform then a new group would be brought in to rebuild.

So I doubt Asdrubal is traded, and I doubt Choo is traded. There's no good replacements internally for those guys. If the season started now, those replacements would be Aviles and Russ Canzler. Perez is a possibility, but I mostly doubt other teams are really that willing to overpay for him just because he's a closer.
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Postby ironmike » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:57 am

Edible14, you make some very good points.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GoTribe028 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:03 am

Edible14 wrote:I get the feeling that the team won't tear down completely. I don't know how secure the jobs are in that front office, but external pressure to have them canned is already pretty high. I can't imagine that Shapiro/Antonetti would be given yet another complete cycle to rebuild. It wouldn't surprise me if they only kept their jobs for this next season, and if they don't perform then a new group would be brought in to rebuild.

So I doubt Asdrubal is traded, and I doubt Choo is traded. There's no good replacements internally for those guys. If the season started now, those replacements would be Aviles and Russ Canzler. Perez is a possibility, but I mostly doubt other teams are really that willing to overpay for him just because he's a closer.


First off, fantastic avatar. Episode was around the end of the Simpsons golden years IMO.

Anyway, I agree with you. I expect some moves this offseason. Chris Perez almost is a certainty IMO,but I don't see a crazy overhaul. There are some interesting players in the minors the dangle out there not named Lindor/Paulino. It might not fulfill the fantasies of some around here who seem overly infatuated with prospects, but it could be quite a productive offseason yet.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GeronimoSon » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:37 am

Musings on the eve of perhaps the nicest weekend we'll see for a while...

-"..news to me.." there's a pretty good certainty that the source of the rumored interest by the Cards in Asdrubal is a media source who got it either directly or indirectly from Alan Nero's office.. Peter Kozma proved he could play a little, but under the bright lights, he was a not ready for prime time SS. Something the Cards won't allow a repeat performance of. The additional continuing physical problems / limitations of Rafael Furcal & the destination city allure of St Louis would make this a prime target for Droob's agent.. Now.. has a discussion taken place between John Mozeliak and Chris Antonetti or would CA actually respond to a Paul Hoynes lead in question? "Responding to Hoynes".. now that would be news.. CA got 'burnt' pretty good about a potential deal that never came to pass. The details of the deal were never revealed, however, he's been queried on the subject about a thousand times and continues to be queried. CA, if nothing else, learns from his mistakes, it's just so sad that he has to make all of the mistakes to learn...

-The Dbax have stated they intend to go into the 2013 season with an aggregate of two bench players and a starter, McPennQuist, at shortstop.. Somehow, a liar will emerge regarding this pronouncement..

-Bauer: At the end of the day, Bauer made it perfectly clear that he was not going to follow any other workout and training regime than the one that got him to where he was at on draft day. All teams were aware of this "tude". The marriage between the DBax and Bauer has been like any other marriage: When one spouse tries to fix the other, it fails, even when the newlyweds are still in the glow of their recent nuptials. If I were the DBax and believed as strongly as draft day that Bauer had the "right stuff", I'd back off any attempts at fixing him and learn from his regimen until it had proven it would not work. Putting a square peg into a round hole will work, only if it's forced.

Homer's Trade Idea: ACab, Hannahan and Marson for Bauer and Parra. or Bauer for Lindor: Good insight into including Marson. The DBax DFA'd their backup C when he came off the DL last August. The Dbax have a kid, Styker Trahan (what a great baseball name!) who's about three years away that could become their everyday catcher, but, that's ALL they have in their system. I'm not so sure the Dbax have a need for Hannahan (FWIW, if the DBax are enamored of Hanny, a one for one Hanny for Chris Johnson trade would light the lights)... Maybe Jason Donald would make more sense as he could cover 3B, 2B, some SS and CF/OF?. The Bauer for Lindor straight up deal is more than a little interesting, but, is 'doubtful' as the Dbax current situation at SS, McPennQuist, isn't going to cut it..

Cle.com crowd..I wonder who waters those guys and takes them in at night...
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby homerawayfromhome » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:19 am

There's a lot of rumors right now the Dbax want Profar or Andrus for Justin Upton, ultimately I can see the Rangers and Dbax working out a deal there.

Now as the Tribe I don't stand by...IF the Tribe really liked Bauer in the draft do they like him enough to go get him? Maybe the Tribe comes in with ACab for Bauer. IMO that could be deal to build around ie: I suggested maybe Marson and Hannahan as add. pieces knowing the DBax need a backup C and want to add a 3b, Hannahan would be a platoon option with Johnson at 3b.

I'm really intrigued by the rumors the Cards Lance Lynn and / or Matt Adams could be discussed in a deal for ACab. Lynn would be a solid add straight up and this could be a realistic deal and one the Tribe should kick around.

As for trading Lindor for Bauer, it wouldn't be a trade that answers the Dbax need right now but it could intrigue them long term. Would they consider it a value trade bc Bauer is ready now, while Lindor needs another 2/3 yrs. Lindor is so advanced he could succeed on the major league level qkly and other teams might be provoked to advance a kid of Lindor's ability even faster.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GoTribe028 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:44 am

Where in the blue hell did these supposed rumors of Lance Lynn & Matt Adams come from?
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Postby GeronimoSon » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:53 am

homerawayfromhome wrote:There's a lot of rumors right now the Dbax want Profar or Andrus for Justin Upton, ultimately I can see the Rangers and Dbax working out a deal there.

Now as the Tribe I don't stand by...IF the Tribe really liked Bauer in the draft do they like him enough to go get him? Maybe the Tribe comes in with ACab for Bauer. IMO that could be deal to build around ie: I suggested maybe Marson and Hannahan as add. pieces knowing the DBax need a backup C and want to add a 3b, Hannahan would be a platoon option with Johnson at 3b.

I'm really intrigued by the rumors the Cards Lance Lynn and / or Matt Adams could be discussed in a deal for ACab. Lynn would be a solid add straight up and this could be a realistic deal and one the Tribe should kick around.

As for trading Lindor for Bauer, it wouldn't be a trade that answers the Dbax need right now but it could intrigue them long term. Would they consider it a value trade bc Bauer is ready now, while Lindor needs another 2/3 yrs. Lindor is so advanced he could succeed on the major league level qkly and other teams might be provoked to advance a kid of Lindor's ability even faster.


The Cards could be more than interested in the Rangers SS.. the question becomes, do the Rangers want what the Cardinals are offering? The Rangers know that Ian Kinsler will remain deep in the heart for a loooonnnnggg time, but, his health has been directly affected by playing second base. Their solution is to move him from the everyday grind at 2B to the OF & 2B. This opens the door for Elvis Andrus understudy, Jurickson Profar, to get meaning playing time at SS on days Kinsler plays 2B and Andrus rests, play 2B on days Kinsler rests and to play all three w/ Kinsler in the OF. It's about the most perfect solution that can be found for 'up the middle' strength for the Rangers. The contract status of Kinsler makes him virtually unmovable. Add contract status of Andrus/Profar, & this trio becomes an affordable value of highly skilled players.

Whenever a player is 'said to be available, you always have to look for reason. In Bauer's case, he's got an attitude and a work out regimen that isn't "customary" In Lance Lynn's situation, he's a fat body. St Louis FO and management think he needs to be in MUCH better shape. He doesn't fit their profile and from this, a rift appears to be 'brewing'. Will moving from one team to another improve Lance Lynn's physical conditioning?. I D K.. but if a man can pitch, he can pitch. David Wells would applaud Lynn's penchant for St Louis BBQ (which is waaaaaay better than North Carolina BBQ). I wonder if Lynn would be just as enamored of Cleveland Pierogi?...
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GeronimoSon » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:58 am

GoTribe028 wrote:Where in the blue hell did these supposed rumors of Lance Lynn & Mike Adams come from?


Joe Strauss of the St Louis Post Dispatch started it:

....QUESTION: With Asdrubal Cabrera apparently on the trade block, what is the likelihood of the Cards inquiring about his availability? Do you think guys like Lance Lynn and Matt Adams could serve as the pillars of a deal with the Indians? Do you think 'Mo' would trade from our RH pitching strength to find a long-term solution at SS?...


The link: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball ... um=twitter

The blogosphere has run with it.. including Viva El Birdo...and others..
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GoTribe028 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:17 am

GeronimoSon wrote:
GoTribe028 wrote:Where in the blue hell did these supposed rumors of Lance Lynn & Mike Adams come from?


Joe Strauss of the St Louis Post Dispatch started it:

....QUESTION: With Asdrubal Cabrera apparently on the trade block, what is the likelihood of the Cards inquiring about his availability? Do you think guys like Lance Lynn and Matt Adams could serve as the pillars of a deal with the Indians? Do you think 'Mo' would trade from our RH pitching strength to find a long-term solution at SS?...


The link: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball ... um=twitter

The blogosphere has run with it.. including Viva El Birdo...and others..


Hmmm....well I would think if St Louis ever actually mentioned those names the Indians would be damn near blown away. Lynn isn't ever going to be a front line starter, but he'd be a damn solid addition to the rotation. He and Masterson would be 2 great big hard throwing work horses. Adams has some good pop, lefty or no lefty, but I wonder about his chances to stay on the field and not end up clogging the DH spot.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby GeronimoSon » Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:07 pm

GoTribe028 wrote:
GeronimoSon wrote:
GoTribe028 wrote:Where in the blue hell did these supposed rumors of Lance Lynn & Mike Adams come from?


Joe Strauss of the St Louis Post Dispatch started it:

....QUESTION: With Asdrubal Cabrera apparently on the trade block, what is the likelihood of the Cards inquiring about his availability? Do you think guys like Lance Lynn and Matt Adams could serve as the pillars of a deal with the Indians? Do you think 'Mo' would trade from our RH pitching strength to find a long-term solution at SS?...


The link: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball ... um=twitter

The blogosphere has run with it.. including Viva El Birdo...and others..


Hmmm....well I would think if St Louis ever actually mentioned those names the Indians would be damn near blown away. Lynn isn't ever going to be a front line starter, but he'd be a damn solid addition to the rotation. He and Masterson would be 2 great big hard throwing work horses. Adams has some good pop, lefty or no lefty, but I wonder about his chances to stay on the field and not end up clogging the DH spot.


When it comes to John Mozeliak, you'll never hear a word from that guy unless he wants it to be heard. He's all about misdirection and misinformation. You'll only hear from him when the ink on the deal has been dried and is in need of carbon dating to determine it's age...

W/R to Matt Adams: If a guy can hit.. a guy can hit.. be that as a defensively challenged 1B or as a DH. Adams rates as one of the best power bats in the minors, something the Indians are sorely in need of. As far as Lynn being a solid addition to the SP staff, I agree fully..
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Postby GeronimoSon » Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:11 pm

SB Nation seems to think the Indians will be the "belle of the ball":
...The Cleveland Indians are being "open-minded" this off-season and they might be fielding offers for Shin-Soo Choo, Adrubal Cabrera and Justin Masterson, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com.

Indians general manager Chris Antonetti said he's not looking to move his key players but is being "open-minded" this off-season. Clevleand finished with a 68-94 record in 2012.

Choo is a free agent after the 2013 season and Heyman lists the Pirates, Red Sox, Yankees, Tigers and Phillies as potential matches for the outfielder. Choo batted .283 with 16 home runs and 67 RBIs last season for the Indians.

The Blue Jays, Royals and Twins might be interested in Masterson while the Red Sox, Tigers, Athletics and Rays could be a fit for Cabrera.

Masterson was 11-15 with a 4.93 ERA and 159 strikeouts in 34 starts for the Indians last season.

Cabrera hit .270 with 16 home runs and 68 RBIs for Cleveland in 2012.


In an apparent response to this clap-trap of rattling sabers by non-baseball FO's, the BR (notorious for their inaccuracy and credibility) has proposed a lising of the "best fits" for this soon to be started Indians Fire Sale:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1400 ... rade-chips

Once the feeding frenzy starts, it's impossible to let it go until only the bones remain...
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Postby Hermie13 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:45 pm

Edible14 wrote:I get the feeling that the team won't tear down completely. I don't know how secure the jobs are in that front office, but external pressure to have them canned is already pretty high. I can't imagine that Shapiro/Antonetti would be given yet another complete cycle to rebuild. It wouldn't surprise me if they only kept their jobs for this next season, and if they don't perform then a new group would be brought in to rebuild.

So I doubt Asdrubal is traded, and I doubt Choo is traded. There's no good replacements internally for those guys. If the season started now, those replacements would be Aviles and Russ Canzler. Perez is a possibility, but I mostly doubt other teams are really that willing to overpay for him just because he's a closer.


I could very easily be wrong, but I highly disagree with you on Shapiro and Antonetti. They just brought in Francona and he is a big fan of both of them. He even got that opt out clause put in. I know some think that he could be kept around by being made GM or whatnot but think that's just wishful thinking. He WANTS to work with Antonetti and Shapiro. I think all 3 have at least 3-4 years now to work with...if not more.

I am still 50-50 on AC being traded. He could have more trade value at the deadline so they may hold on if they don't like any offers. Though I don't think the Tribe will see that huge a dropoff at SS if they went with Aviles at SS (in the event they did trade AC). Posted a WAR of about 2 last year (AC didn't reach 3). He is pretty underrated.

Choo...I would try to extend him this winter first. I know the odds of him agreeing to it just south of slim to none but suppose miracles happen. At least show the fanbase you tried before trading him. I would like to see some kind of MLer brought over in a deal, somone like Reddick last year. A guy that has potential but maybe struggled to that point and could be a breakout guy. That or have a real backup plan like maybe a Melky Cabrera (better LF fit I know) or someone like that.

And as far as Perez....personally think you should be right that teams wouldn't be willing to overpay for him as a closer...but we still see teams that are willing to overpay for closers, or at least give up good value for a closer. Granted seems like a lot of times it's the Red Sox (Gagne, Melancon and Bailey) but still think some team could give you a solid return (hell, maybe the Red Sox do it again! lol).
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Re: MLB Hot Stove

Postby Hermie13 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:03 pm

Definitely not as big a fan of Lynn or Adams as some are, but I do think it'd be a nice haul for Cabrera. Cards do still have Furcal under contract next year (for $7M I think) don't they though? Obviously AC would be an upgrade but Cards may need to find a taker for Furcal before making a deal...unless they want to move one of them to 2B possibly?

I may be wrong but I just am not sold that Lynn is as good as he was this year. Would be a big improvement for our rotation but really think in the AL his ceiling is a decent #3. And Adams...love the power, but guess after LaPorta I'm a bit scared off by guys who are mostly just big power guys (though Adams has hit decent in the minors).
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Postby GoTribe028 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:13 pm

Per Jon Morosi on The Twitter

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbb ... o/12160756

The Boston Red Sox have expressed interest in acquiring right-handed starter Justin Masterson and outfielder Shin-Soo Choo from the Cleveland Indians, major-league sources said.

It’s not clear how advanced the talks are, but the fit is obvious: The Red Sox have the ability to take on payroll after unloading roughly $250 million in contracts three months ago, and the Indians are willing to listen to offers for virtually every player on their roster.

Boston’s farm system has strengthened over the past 12 months, partially because of prospects obtained from the Dodgers in the August blockbuster. Thus, the Red Sox can afford to move the necessary minor leaguers to bring back Masterson, Choo, or both.

An intriguing dynamic could develop if the Masterson talks intensify: He broke into the majors with the Red Sox in 2008, when Terry Francona was the Boston manager and John Farrell the Boston pitching coach. Last month, Francona was hired to manage the Indians while Farrell became the new skipper in Boston. Both are said to admire Masterson. If Farrell pushes for the Red Sox to acquire him, Francona might try just as hard to keep him in Cleveland.

Choo, meanwhile, would add immediate punch to a Boston outfield that presently includes center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury and a collection of platoon players. The Red Sox would be more enthused about Choo if he had more than one year left before free agency, but their newfound payroll flexibility could make it more feasible to keep him after 2013.

Choo, like Ellsbury, is represented by influential agent Scott Boras. Ellsbury also is headed for free agency after the coming season.

— Jon Paul Morosi


I will say, I am not a fan of moving Masterson. I think there is more of 2011 than 2012 coming....but Boston does have enough pieces to make me comfortable with the idea.
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Postby GeronimoSon » Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:43 pm

Hermie13 wrote:Definitely not as big a fan of Lynn or Adams as some are, but I do think it'd be a nice haul for Cabrera. Cards do still have Furcal under contract next year (for $7M I think) don't they though? Obviously AC would be an upgrade but Cards may need to find a taker for Furcal before making a deal...unless they want to move one of them to 2B possibly?

I may be wrong but I just am not sold that Lynn is as good as he was this year. Would be a big improvement for our rotation but really think in the AL his ceiling is a decent #3. And Adams...love the power, but guess after LaPorta I'm a bit scared off by guys who are mostly just big power guys (though Adams has hit decent in the minors).


Hermie.. you're not alone in regard to Lance Lynn. The good folks in St Louis seem to believe that Lynn is a head case (sort of in the mold of Chris Perez). He allows things to get to him.. He was moved from the Starting Rotation to the pen in late August (through the second week in September) for this expressed reason. In essence, he was bypassed as a starter for nearly three weeks during the Cards crucial pennant chase. He returned in September (13th) and nailed down five straight starts & wins helping the Cards to the playoffs. He was an essential/crucial part of the Cards run.. The Cards FO has to be aware of his propensity to allow things to get to him (like FAUSTO.. one bad bounce and he falls apart). Being as young as he is.. that's not an unusual personality trait..

Matt Adams just doesn't have anyplace to play. With both Allen Craig healthy (First base) and Carlos Beltran returning and the emergence of Oscar Taveras.. there is not place for Matt Adams.. He could be a trade chip because the Cards know that he doesn't have any more development needs with the bat. The Indians would be wise to capitalize on this guys serious light tower power...
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Postby homerawayfromhome » Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:41 pm

If the Tribe could pull out Lance Lynn and Matt Adams for ACab I'd be satisfied. I get the concerns with Lynn but the Tribe has to optimize ACabs value potentially bringing back a qlty young starter and potentially the much needed 1b / DH of the future.

As for moving Masterson and Choo to Boston the Tribe would have to bring back some now players in that kind of deal, however IF they could get 2 of 3: Matt Barnes, Xander Bogarts and Bryce Brentz they almost have to make the deal... This could be a deal where the Tribe might bring back Daniel Bard or Felix Doubront. I could also see the Tribe TRYING to make a play for Clay Bucholz or even Jon Lester in that kind of deal.

Btw, I think someone asked why STL wanted ACab... Raffy Furcal had an elbow injury late last season and could be having elbow surgery (TJ) ??? That's why StL is so hot for ACab.
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Postby criznit2009 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:52 pm

Ok got another name to throw out there.... Brett Myers. Says he wants to return to a starting role. Wonder what kind of contract/$$ he wants.. I would look into it for sure. Also gives you another quality BP arm if needed - AKA isn't a successful SP or Cperez/Pestano are traded.



I am not going to elaborate right now (at work) but I hate how C.A addresses rumors/the media... He needs poker lessons and a pair of testicles. I dont like him - havent for awhile obviously. Please don't blow another off-season...
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Postby daingean » Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:28 pm

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/11/07/braves-might-trade-pitching-for-lineup-needs/

Guys I'd list as possible Braves pitchers:

Sean Gilmartin
Julio Tehran
Randall Delgado

2 of those 3 for Choo maybe?
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Postby TonyIBI » Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:02 pm

I don't take that Morosi story at Fox Sports to be much. It seems every national writer unfamiliar with the Indians situation is assuming that they are having a fire sale this offseason. Is it possible? Yes. Likely? No. Everything I have heard is that they plan to contend next season and if they trade their veteran players that they want ML players back and not just prospects. The smart thing may be to just blow it up and rebuild by prospect hunting, but after the Francona hiring and some of the stuff I have heard I just don't get that feeling. I still only see guys like Choo, Cabrera, and Perez being dealt for impact pieces that help them not only in the future but in 2013 right out of the gates.
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