Official 2012 Cleveland Indians game thread

by **Hermie13** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:32 pm

ironmike wrote:Hermie, another one run game.

Only allowed 3 runs; that loss definitely can go on the offense.

Still doesn't change the fact that pitching is this team's biggest weakness. No clue how you can still maintain that this team needs to score 850 runs to win.

Tribe is currently 11th in runs scored per game in the AL (out of 14 teams). Definitely not what you strive for...however, the Rays (currently a playoff team) are only 9th in runs per game (barely ahead of Cleveland). And Oakland (tied for last wild card spot currently) is actually WORSE offensively than the Indians being 13th in runs scored per game.

How are the Rays and A's so much better? PITCHING. Rays are currently FIRST in the AL in pitching. The A's? 2nd.

Even Baltimore who has only scored 3 more runs than the Tribe offensively all year (and also tied for last wild card spot) is at least 8th in pitching. O's staff isn't that good, but 8th vs 14th....huge difference. You're talking over 70 runs difference...could be 10 wins right there.

You can say we need a GM that can build a team to score 835 runs all day, but fact is no team is currently on pace to do that. Are you saying all 30 GMs should be fired since they can't grasp that "simple concept" of yours?

If you look at the 7 teams currently in/tied for the playoffs in the AL they all rank in the top 8 in pitching (Seattle is the only other team in there). 3 of those 7 teams rank in the bottom 6 in offense....

See a pattern?

The Red Sox have medicore pitchers (again, 11th 'best' pitching staff in AL)....are currently 3rd in runs per game in the AL....where are they in the standings? Not much ahead of the Tribe even with this horrific slide of ours (they are what 4.5 games ahead of us?). I'm sure what their problem is they need more offense though right? :rolleyes

Again, Tribe clearly needs help on offense, absolutely no argue there. Being 11th offensively is not good...though when you see a team like the Rays barely scoring more, proves that a small bump in offensive production can get you into the playoffs....IF you can pitch.

by **Hermie13** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:43 pm

daingean wrote:Both trades (IMO) were screwed up by Shapiro. He jumped on the CC trade early when the Dodgers were also in it. I think he could have and should have gotten more by being patient.

The Lee trade was for an already injured Knapp. Sure it was thought he had a bicep injury but in truth it was a shoulder and shoulder injuries kill pitching prospects. I'm not saying the Phillies deceived us because I think they really thought it was a bicep injury. A physical should have been demanded prior to sealing the deal. The C.Lee and V-Mart deals really were necessitated because the team was losing money after not contending when they spent to contend.

Those trades were bad but you have to also consider his good trades (i.e. Asdrubal, Choo, Sizemore/Lee, McCallister). Every GM makes good trades and bad trades. The problem about bitching here is that Shapiro isn't the GM any longer. CA is the GM.

Dodgers were reportedly in on CC, but they were also strapped financially. Plus who's to say that the best prospect offered in a CC package wasn't Carlos Santana who the Indians got a few weeks later? Indians ate all of Blake's salary, perhaps the Dodgers were hoping for some of that on CC (pure speculation there on my part). Rumors at the time did seem to indicate that LaPorta was the best prospect being bantered about in a CC deal. Tribe needed a RH bat. Obviously that hurt that he hasn't developed. Wouldn't give Shapiro a passing grade for either deal (though sadly do think he got the best of the 3 deals for Lee), but I think screwed up is a bit harsh personally.

by **Edible14** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:34 pm

ironmike wrote:All I know is at the moment Sale is 13-4 and we certainly could have used him.

Not interested in what other clubs did to pass over him that thinking is for losers. Good baseball people take advantage of these situations. If we have the right baseball talent evaluators we take him, Sale is obviously talented, great arm.

This alone tells me beware of Brad Grant.

Sale's a good pitcher. A lot of very good baseball people have issues with him. The knocks on him have nothing to do with spreadsheets, and everything to do with his mechanics suggesting that he'll be an injury case just like Prior and Reyes. That inverted W bit is not something that is just fixed with coaching either, that's just the way he throws.

by **JP_Frost** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:29 pm

ironmike wrote:All I know is at the moment Sale is 13-4 and we certainly could have used him.

Not interested in what other clubs did to pass over him that thinking is for losers. Good baseball people take advantage of these situations. If we have the right baseball talent evaluators we take him, Sale is obviously talented, great arm.

This alone tells me beware of Brad Grant.

Nobody ever denied Sale being talented. But I'm sure if we picked Sale and Pomeranz was pitching like him this season, we would've made a mistake as well.

It's obvious you loathe the ownership and FO. Thank you for spreading the word.

Now can we please have some insightful discussions on this board?

by **timdav** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:27 am

Paul Dolan's comments to the media on Thursday (at Manny Acta's charity bowling tournament) were amazing (and not amazing in a great way if you're a Tribe fan).

He has no idea how this collapse happened? "If" they get the time in the off-season they'll take a look at the 2012 season (that HAS to be a misspoken, il-chosen word).

Most of us fans can afford a baseballcard collection...not a major league baseball team...but, we all knew this team has huge holes...we we knew that in January....yet, they, the owners, don't have any idea what happened? Hello???????

It's a 323-million-dollar investment and they act like they are judging the results of a table's weekly sales at the Hartville Flea Market.

Gosh, I hope they have more passion in their law firm than they apparently have for their major league baseball team.

Can any ownership be more out of touch, or is it they are satisfied with their team as a business, and the on-field performance during their tenure (one good season in about 12)...that's OK?

Would it be OK if a team was in last or next to last place every season, but it made money? Apparently so.

I find it amazing that fans have to plead with multi-millionaires to please, show a little competitive fire...care a little bit about the team you own.

The Dolans are said to be good people...and I don't doubt that. But, jeesh: Mark Cuban and Dan Gilbert these folks are not.

by **ironmike** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:43 am

Hermie, we scored one run again, and again and again.

Just think folks not to long ago we had a line up better than the current Yankee cast.

by **GoTribe028** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:51 pm

ironmike wrote:Hermie, we scored one run again, and again and again.

Just think folks not to long ago we had a line up better than the current Yankee cast.

I assume you mean the Indians lineup from 15 not that long years ago.

by **timdav** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:51 pm

This current newspaper, radio, and TV sportstalk anger over the Indians situation will fade.

But, what might follow is total apathy...and that might be worse.

What's really sad to me as an Indians fan is this owership doesn't even act like they have an ounce of competitive passion.....only really caring about the financial side. Or, that's sure is how it seems.

by **Edible14** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:11 pm

timdav wrote:What's really sad to me as an Indians fan is this owership doesn't even act like they have an ounce of competitive passion.....only really caring about the financial side. Or, that's sure is how it seems.

It's kind of a toxic situation for them. They spoke out awhile back, something to the effect that this season has pained them greatly. The response was mostly sarcasm and anger. There is literally nothing that they can say that will go over well with the fans at this point. Realistically, there's only two things that are going to change the minds of Clevelanders on the Dolans, and that's spending an unrealistic amount of money a la Illitch, or somehow managing to win. Even if they cleaned house by firing Acta, Antonetti and Shapiro... it would only placate a select few fans. I guarantee that there would be articles written about how those guys were doing just fine, and were ultimately made into scapegoats.

by **GeronimoSon** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:21 pm

Tonight.. it's the Hiroki Kuroda show for the Yankees.. Kuroda has been just about as good as any starting pitcher the Yankees have sent to the hill.. He's going to be a tough customer.. Another low scoring game could be in the works.. Justin Masterson goes for the Indians at home where he's been pretty good.. Masterson needs to keep the Yankees off the board early and the Indians need to figure out how to get some runs posted early in the game..

Maybe it's time to put Choo back in the leadoff spot.. hmm?..

by **indians1** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:29 pm

Not that it is going to make a difference in the record, the switch of choo out of the leadoff spot has not been good. Both kipnis and choo's numbers have gone down since the switch.

Kipnis was comfortable in the 3 hole and choo was producing like one of the best leadoff hitters.

Another bonehead move by this team that is desperate.

by **Bearcatbob** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:38 pm

indians1 wrote:Not that it is going to make a difference in the record, the switch of choo out of the leadoff spot has not been good. Both kipnis and choo's numbers have gone down since the switch.

Kipnis was comfortable in the 3 hole and choo was producing like one of the best leadoff hitters.

Another bonehead move by this team that is desperate.

IMO the move was to show that Choo could be a run producer and hence worth more as a trade. Boras will have to be creative to sell his lousy show.

by **Bearcatbob** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:40 pm

Ole ACab damn near blew another key play with a bobble on a routine bouncer.

by **ironmike** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:06 pm

Hermie, how many runs did we score today?

Don't let those Ivy League Spreadsheet guys try to figure it out, they don't know how.

by **timdav** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:12 pm

Russ Canzler is 26 years old...not 32, as somebody posted here (born in April of 1986). Not that he's a big prospect...just not 32.

by **Hermie13** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:28 pm

indians1 wrote:Not that it is going to make a difference in the record, the switch of choo out of the leadoff spot has not been good. Both kipnis and choo's numbers have gone down since the switch.

Kipnis was comfortable in the 3 hole and choo was producing like one of the best leadoff hitters.

Another bonehead move by this team that is desperate.

I wasn't a huge fan of the switch, but did understand it. Kipnis was really scuffling before the move. In the previous 36 starts before he had 0 HRs with only a .233 BA and .631 OPS. Had a respectable .344 OBP but not driving the ball at all. Moving him to the leadoff spot could get him some better looks (with AC and Choo behind him, should see better pitches) plus could take the pressure off of him trying to hit HRs. In the month of July he hit .250 with a mere .321 SLG...but .373 OBP. Only 6 extra base hits in 24 games....those are leadoff kind of numbers. Tribe's skid hadn't cost them the season quiet yet when the move was made either. And on the flip side Choo from the end of June to the begginning of August was hitting .322 with a .554 SLG and .960 OPS, along with 6 HRs in 31 games. The .406 OBP looked great in the leadoff spot, but I can understand wanting to try and get the power behind guys like Kipnis and Cabrera. Plus it's not like Choo hasn't had a ton of success in his career from the 3-hole.

I also not so sure about Kipnis being comfortable in the 3-hole. He was in the 3-hole for most of June,all of July, and beginning of August...in that time frame he posted an OPS of .678 with 2 HRs and only 11 extra base hits in 48 games (over 200 plate appearances).

Kipnis has obviously been terrible since moving to the leadoff spot...but he was struggling even before the move. I don't think it's a comfort thing as much as a young, near rookie hitting an August wall...

I'd definitely move Choo back to the leadoff spot...but Kipnis IMO should drop down do the 5-6 spot til he can get things going. You dropped Santana for struggling and seemed to help some. I'd really like to see a top 5 of Choo leading off, then Cabrera, Brantley, Santana, Kipnis here the next few weeks...

by **ironmike** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:21 am

Hermie, it ain't gonna matter who hits lead off on this cast of characters.

Choo, .257 BA, 13 HRS and 50 RBI's that is really mediocre at best, lots of ML's better than him. Besides he has had chances to be a leader here and has chosen to follow. Not a big loss when he goes to another team. For Choo to flourish he needs to be part of a winning team, he wants no part of leadership. An underachiever.

by **Edible14** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:23 pm

ironmike wrote:Choo, .257 BA, 13 HRS and 50 RBI's that is really mediocre at best, lots of ML's better than him. Besides he has had chances to be a leader here and has chosen to follow. Not a big loss when he goes to another team. For Choo to flourish he needs to be part of a winning team, he wants no part of leadership. An underachiever.

Woah... woah... woah... let's not go saying things that are just untrue.

First off, his batting average is .278, he has 15 HRs, and RBIs are a useless stat (especially for a guy who's spent a good portion of the year hitting leadoff).

I get that you consider yourself an "old school" guy, and you don't like newer stats, but Choo is not mediocre. Choo is the 36th best hitter in all of baseball right now if you go by wOBA, out of 141 qualified hitters. He's far and away the best Indian. He has the 2nd highest BA, best OBA, and best slugging (3rd best ISO). He will undoubtedly be hard to replace.

For a guy whose entire gameplan for making the Indians better is to improve their offense, you seem rather flippant about getting rid of our best offensive player.

by **Bearcatbob** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:22 pm

Down 4 - game over and getting worse with Duncan!

by **ironmike** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:29 pm

Okay Edible I stand corrected, Choo doesn't seem to have his heart into it as a Cleveland Indian. Expected more from him, but losing wears players down.

by **timdav** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:59 pm

OMG, this is so awful.

This team has a lot of holes, but they aren't THIS bad. The losing has gotten into their heads.

by **MadThinker88** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:17 pm

ENOUGH!!! Acta needs to go and the sooner the better. Playing Duncan at this time is pointless. It reminds me of Wedge playing I think Valbuena at first base instead of either LaPorta or Brown.

As soon as CBus is done playing, can Acta and name Sandy the interim manager. Call up Saurbaugh to fill in the spot on the coaching staff & a bunch of the players. Stop giving at bats to Duncan, Kotchman & Lillibridge. Play more of LaPorta, Juan Diaz, Jason Donald & Cord Phelps.

by **criznit2009** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:35 pm

MadThinker88 wrote:ENOUGH!!! Acta needs to go and the sooner the better. Playing Duncan at this time is pointless. It reminds me of Wedge playing I think Valbuena at first base instead of either LaPorta or Brown.

As soon as CBus is done playing, can Acta and name Sandy the interim manager. Call up Saurbaugh to fill in the spot on the coaching staff & a bunch of the players. Stop giving at bats to Duncan, Kotchman & Lillibridge. Play more of LaPorta, Juan Diaz, Jason Donald & Cord Phelps.

I pretty much agree with ya.. I am certainly not against canning Acta (he wasn't any good in washington either) but this team stinks stinks STINKS. When you have runners on 3rd (Duncan oddly) and 2nd (Lillibridge-even crazier) with NO outs and you cant even get ONE run... My god. DOLAN needs to step up and clean house... If Antonetti somehow has his job for 2013 I would be beyond shocked.

The starting pitching staff is HORRIBLE..... And barring a mircle, doesn't look like it has much if any chance to be any better in 2013. Before all you optimists come at me... At this point, we will be depending on Masterson, McAllister, Carrasco/Gomez and god knows who else. DO YOU THINK ANTONETTI KNOWS???? If his decisions over the course of 2012 are any indication he DOES NOT.........Don't argee??? Please tell me why I could use a laugh.

by **Rocky55** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:05 pm

criznit2009 wrote:
MadThinker88 wrote:ENOUGH!!! Acta needs to go and the sooner the better. Playing Duncan at this time is pointless. It reminds me of Wedge playing I think Valbuena at first base instead of either LaPorta or Brown.

As soon as CBus is done playing, can Acta and name Sandy the interim manager. Call up Saurbaugh to fill in the spot on the coaching staff & a bunch of the players. Stop giving at bats to Duncan, Kotchman & Lillibridge. Play more of LaPorta, Juan Diaz, Jason Donald & Cord Phelps.

I pretty much agree with ya.. I am certainly not against canning Acta (he wasn't any good in washington either) but this team stinks stinks STINKS. When you have runners on 3rd (Duncan oddly) and 2nd (Lillibridge-even crazier) with NO outs and you cant even get ONE run... My god. DOLAN needs to step up and clean house... If Antonetti somehow has his job for 2013 I would be beyond shocked.

The starting pitching staff is HORRIBLE..... And barring a mircle, doesn't look like it has much if any chance to be any better in 2013. Before all you optimists come at me... At this point, we will be depending on Masterson, McAllister, Carrasco/Gomez and god knows who else. DO YOU THINK ANTONETTI KNOWS???? If his decisions over the course of 2012 are any indication he DOES NOT.........Don't argee??? Please tell me why I could use a laugh.

Welcome to the club. Wanted to get rid of Acta when he threw Radinsky under the bus. Looks kinda silly in hindsight to blame Rad for this pitching staff. Want to keep Acta now though, as I mentioned before, he's really improving our Draft position.

MT, you didn't mention Fedroff out of the guys you want to bring up. Jason Donald can stay in CBus. Goedert's kinda scuffling but deserves a cup. Couldn't be worse than what's up there now.

by **artgold** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:55 pm

I saw the game on the Oakland feed, since I live now out here in Northern California. During the 2nd or 3rd inning, the A's announcers, especially Cleveland supporter Ray Fosse, mentioned that the Indians dugout looked really dead. He mentioned that the A's were standing at the rail and into the game, while the Indians were all just sitting on the bench and only getting up to get into the on deck circle.

Ray Fosse frequently mentions the Tribe throughout the season, clearly still a supporter of the city and team. He seemed to lament the lack of spark in the Tribe, and that except for McAllister they didn't really seem all that much into the game.

Just wanted to toss in the perspective of someone from outside the organization, who really isn't a critic.

by **GhostofTedCox** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:39 am

This team has quit. They've quit a long time ago. Yet, there a still a month of games left to play.

The team, and the organization, are a disgrace to the town, the fans, MLB, and everybody on this board.

Note to management: Please remove the "C" from the caps. They don't deserve it. Replace it with a big "Q".

Sorry, I've gotta vent.

by **ironmike** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:47 am

Hermie, another game with no runs.

by **homerawayfromhome** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:25 am

From the inning I stomached watching, the team is lackadaisical and not really in the game...to me that was easy to see. Right now this team is just going through the motions.

I think heads should begin to roll. Acta clearly, has lost this team IMO and he won't get it back. I believe he could be a winning mgr but not with this team, i wish him the best and let him walk. I'd make the move now and bring up Mike Sarbaugh as bench coach and let Sandy Alomar take the reigns now.

I just don't understand running guys like Kotchman, Duncan out there anymore. Give some of the kids a chance to prove they won't make it on the big league level.

Have any of the Indians been placed on trade waivers? I havent heard a name, although I know the Tribe frequently has done this in the pat to gage interest from other teams, and. Also to identify potential trade partners.

The lone good thing(s) that may occur bc of the Tribes recent COLD streak is change may finally come to this FO and the Tribe may end up with a top 5 draft pk next June. Although that brings an entirely different dilemma...does the Tribe reach a little again? Or will they simply draft the BPA?

by **artgold** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:49 am

Well, to just state something positive, Guthrie, Pomeranz and White are a combined 6-22 for the Rockies

by **daingean** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:06 am

1. Acta has lost the team and I also believe the FO lost the team too.
2. I think the FO is waiting until Sept to call up some of the guys that way they don't accumulate service time.

by **timdav** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:16 pm

Daingean: I totally agree with your last post.

by **homerawayfromhome** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:33 pm

I think the FO was lost trying to put a team together. Look at the holes that have been successfully filled...my point exactly.

by **MadThinker88** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:49 pm

Rocky55 wrote:Welcome to the club. Wanted to get rid of Acta when he threw Radinsky under the bus. Looks kinda silly in hindsight to blame Rad for this pitching staff. Want to keep Acta now though, as I mentioned before, he's really improving our Draft position.

MT, you didn't mention Fedroff out of the guys you want to bring up. Jason Donald can stay in CBus. Goedert's kinda scuffling but deserves a cup. Couldn't be worse than what's up there now.

Rocky, your correct I didn't mention Fedroff and there was a reason for that: he isn't on the 40 man roster.
September needs to be used to play those with a chance of being here next year or proving who should be a roster casualty to add players like Fedroff and Neal. I had to draw a line somewhere and I stuck to the current 40 man roster.

By using this it means Jared Goedert doesn't get a call up either. They need to figure out who stays between Phelps and Donald. Also if playing Canzler, Rottino, LaPorta and Zeke most of the time in September are there actual at bats and time left for Fedroff and Goedert??

by **danh8** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:50 pm

For about the third or fourth time in the past month Carlos Santana non-chalantly attempts to simply backhand a ball in the dirt with a runner at third, letting a catchable ball get past him and a needless run to score. Watching at the game our coaches never even approach the guy on the dugout, just let his lackadaisical defensive efforts at catcher pass. I'm sure Sandy works with him on it, but this is mental... This is just lazy effort. At a point a person needs to be put in line and wonder if this gets done with our coaches and their laid back personalities... Sandy , being very similar in temperament to Manny may not be the best of personality mixes on our bench.. IMHO.

by **Edible14** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:17 pm

The entire team looks to have checked out a bit. I've been an Acta supporter, but I'm not so sure anymore. I usually think it's ridiculous to say that a team has quit, but it's hard to argue with what the Indians are putting up right now.

by **Bearcatbob** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:24 pm

More torture!

by **MadThinker88** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:09 pm

Edible14 wrote:The entire team looks to have checked out a bit. I've been an Acta supporter, but I'm not so sure anymore. I usually think it's ridiculous to say that a team has quit, but it's hard to argue with what the Indians are putting up right now.

I was in a similar position as you but Tuesday nite and usage of Duncan was the end of it for me. Not sure what will push you over the edge but I'm sure it will happen before the end of the season.

by **Edible14** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:54 am

I'm not sure that cutting Duncan, one of Acta's reported favorites, wasn't a harbinger of what's to come for Acta. It seems to me that if Acta had been insisting on Duncan being his guy, and they're no longer allowing him to stay on in favor of Matt LaPorta, it shows that the front office isn't in agreement with Acta on some things anymore. Maybe. Just speculation on my part.

by **GhostofTedCox** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:27 pm

remember this,,,

"Losing is a Disease,,,"

http://vimeo.com/29065866 :lol

by **timdav** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:23 pm

While it's frustrating and embarrassing to think the '12 Indians players have "quit"....does it really matter THAT much if they finish in last place with 100 losses because they quit, or if they kept trying hard and still went 77-85 or so because that's the limit of their collective talent?

Maybe the players think the ownership and front office quit on them because of the way they put the team together last off-season, and did nothing at this year's July 31st trade deadline...so, they thought..."what the hell..." and gave up. Isn't that possible?

Technically speaking coming in 3rd or 4th is better than last place...but: this team had no real shot to go deep into the playoffs, and cetainly no chance to win the 2012 World Series going back to opening day this year.

The core problem is the decisions made on major trades and free agent singings for more than 5 years has been poor. The quality of the Indians minor league system has been bad with few exceptions since the late 90's.

The Cleveland Indians today are about as close to winning a world series as most of us are to being movie stars, right?

The front office's poor judgement and the razor-thin budgets they have to work with...isn't that what really has hurt this franchise the most?

by **martyinnewyork** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:36 pm

This team will be lucky to win 5 more games this year. Watching them is like having a colonoscopy...

by **Rocky55** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:54 pm

martyinnewyork wrote:This team will be lucky to win 5 more games this year. Watching them is like having a colonoscopy...

I slept through mine Marty. Then when I woke up I blew out the longest, most satisfying fart in my whole life...come to think about it, that's a LOT like watching this team.

by **GeronimoSon** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:06 pm

Rocky55 wrote:
martyinnewyork wrote:This team will be lucky to win 5 more games this year. Watching them is like having a colonoscopy...

I slept through mine Marty. Then when I woke up I blew out the longest, most satisfying fart in my whole life...come to think about it, that's a LOT like watching this team.

..or reading another one of RustyMike's drivel infested rants about how the Indians needs to score 850 runs while getting unavailable McCutchen from the Pirates...

by **GeronimoSon** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:11 pm

Wednesday's series finale with the tigers... Tremendous play by Jason Donald going over the shoulder and over the rail to catch that foul pop up.. KUDOS!! for the effort there !!..

by **ironmike** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:19 pm

Hey Heronimo, you keep trying to put me down, you can't, knowledge and experience wins over ignorance every time.

Did you read Chris Perez today? Just remember where you heard it first. And almost time to peak at our annual predictions, you lose again, get the toliet paper out for your keyboard you're gonna need it.

Yes, absolutely players like McCutcheon, absafrickingloutley.

by **GeronimoSon** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:19 pm

ironmike wrote:Hey Heronimo, you keep trying to put me down, you can't, knowledge and experience wins over ignorance every time.

Did you read Chris Perez today? Just remember where you heard it first. And almost time to peak at our annual predictions, you lose again, get the toliet paper out for your keyboard you're gonna need it.

Yes, absolutely players like McCutcheon, absafrickingloutley.

pffft...

The sky is falling.. the sky is falling.. everything is going into the crapper..

Go get McCutchen.. (didn't happen)..

Go get Beltran.. (didn't happen)..

Score 850 runs.. (didn't happen)..

Trade for Billy Hamilton.. (didn't happen)..

Go get _____________________ with more to come..(fill in the blank of someone else that didn't come here)...didn't happen..

Your rants are shallow and insignificant.. You're not right because you set unreachable mandates then sit back and whine "..see, I told you so.." Attempting to "SHOW" how Chris Perez agrees with you by association is all about you being boorish.. morosely, so.. A pessimistic diatribe after the fact on what shoulda, woulda, coulda is juvenile and petty.. So sad.. when you have a chance to be great or at least fake it, you choose to be petty.. BTW.. Chris Perez's rant is in direct agreement with just about every poster on this site...except you.. you're not bright enough to see that, though... so sad for you..

by **ironmike** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:31 am

Geronimo, the more you post, the more you expose yourself.

by **Bearcatbob** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:14 pm

2 - 0 - game over?
Bob

by **Bearcatbob** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:45 pm

I now know why teams pay Omar to be their utility infielder. This pain is unbearable.

by **Bearcatbob** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:02 pm

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