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Corner of Carnegie & Ontario Bound Prospects 2012

Postby GeronimoSon » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:38 am

The depletion of the Indians minor league system by promotion & trade has a number of fans concerned about the future depth of the club going into and playing in 2012. The Indians have a number of prospects that are on the cusp of contributing to the Indians chances in the coming season. Here is a short list of "call ups", in no particular order, that could be coming to the corner of Carnegie and Ontario in the coming 2012 season:

Position Players:

Chun-Hsiu Chen: has as much offensive potential as any player not names Weglarz in the upper levels of the Indians minor league system. In the event a Lou Marson Bon Voyage party is needed, Chun could be learning his craft at a much higher level than he's ever seen. Chun's strike zone discipline seems to be the only thing holding him back as his defensive skills as a backstop appear to be well developed and continue to evolve.

Nick Weglarz: After spending the vast majority of the past two seasons rehabbing injuries, Weglarz is due for a bout of good health. If he can stay healthy, his strike zone discipline and easy power may give him a chance to get some time, albeit later in the season, at the corner of Carnegie and Ontario as a corner OF'er. He's still just 24 years old, so, his youth is waning. A monster spring training will aid in his efforts to realize his potential.

Cord Phelps: Had a first 'go round' in the majors with the Indians in 2011. His results were somewhat mixed. He was responsible for one of the 12 walk off wins by the Indians, however, was unable to sustain the numbers that made him an appealing prospect prior to 2011. There are about 100,000 guys like Cord Phelps: guys who's first foray into the major leagues resulted in being demoted back to the minors. Phelps' next go around in the ML's, should be better.. MUCH better..

Thomas Neal: Suffered through a series of injuries in 2011 that zapped his power stroke. The shoulder and foot injuries are now history. If Thomas Neal is able to regain the form that made him a top two prospect in the SF Giants system (ahead of guys like Brandon Belt & Buster Posey & behind Madison Bumgarner), he could become a force with the Indians at the corner of Carnegie and Ontario later in the 2012 season. As of now, there appears to be a serious concern over Neal's ability to regain that form.

Pitchers:

Bryce Stowell: Blazing fastball/slider combination has produced K-rates that are unmatched in the minors for the Indians. His next challenge will be continuing his growth in command of these two devastating pitch offerings. Hundred mile an hour fastballs with drop off the table slider combinations are a rare and wonderful commodity.

C.C. Lee: with a low/mid 90's fastball, slider and split change, CC Lee has all the tools needed to become a bullpen stalwart. His three pitch combination has generated increasing K/9 numbers (13.4 K/9 in 2011, up from 10.4 k/9 in 2010 & 2009, combined) while continuing to maintain less than 3 BB/9 during his three years in the minors. He is solidly in the mix for a spot in the 2012 bullpen, either directly out of ST or in the event of a trade or injury.

Scotty Barnes: A breakout during the 2010 AFL season was followed by continued excellent performances at AAA Columbus makes Scott Barnes perhaps theeee number one prospect in the Indians system not named Lindor. A knee injury sidelined Barnes efforts late in the 2011 season, but, shouldn't delay his chances for contributing in 2012. The numbers he posted, 11 k/9 and 3.3 BB/9 had as much to do with his 'stuff'. A mid 90's moving/tailing/sinking fastball, late breaking slider, and a change up that he throws for strikes in any count using his unorthodox & deceptive windup has confounded minor league hitters. While there is no guarantee, that same repertoire in the major leagues should produce, at the very least, consistently good results, as well.

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Re: Corner of Carnegie & Ontario Bound Prospects 2012

Postby ClevelandBlues » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:53 pm

I never thought I would say this, but the Indians really need to go out and sign some 4A type hitters for depth. Phelps and Carrera are ready to contribute if needed, but it gets a little sketchy after that. Neal and Weglarz need to stay healthy if they are going to contribute. It would probably be best for Chen's development to keep him in the minors in 2012. Beau Mills could get the call sometime this season if he continues to build on his 2011, and if Laporta, Duncan, etc, do not work out at first. Goedert and Fedroff could also be a possibilites if enough injuries start to pile up.

There are a lot of pitchers who could make their debut this year. CC Lee, Adams, Stowell, Barnes, Rondon and Bryson are strong candidates. DeLaCruz, Burns, Espino, Mcfarland and Langwell could be darkhorse candidates if everything lines up for them. The Columbus bullpen could get crowded though when you factor in Putnam, Kluber, Judy, Hagadone and Hermann. It might be a good idea to trade some of the bullpen depth for some upper minor league level position players.
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Re: Corner of Carnegie & Ontario Bound Prospects 2012

Postby Prosecutor » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:39 am

Any idea why there is "serious concern" over Neal's ability to regain his pre-injury form? Did he have a potentially career-altering injury? He's only 24 years old, right?

As for your list, it looks pretty thin for position players. Phelps is blocked by Kipnis and Donald. Chen is an offensive-oriented catcher who is blocked by Santana. Weglarz's next fairly healthy season will be his first.

I like the pitching, though.
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Re: Corner of Carnegie & Ontario Bound Prospects 2012

Postby TonyIBI » Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:22 pm

Prosecutor wrote:Any idea why there is "serious concern" over Neal's ability to regain his pre-injury form? Did he have a potentially career-altering injury? He's only 24 years old, right?


I'm unaware of any serious injury. I think his injuries from the 2011 season are being misinterpreted some. He is expected to be ready for spring training.
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Re: Corner of Carnegie & Ontario Bound Prospects 2012

Postby GeronimoSon » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:57 pm

Prosecutor wrote:Any idea why there is "serious concern" over Neal's ability to regain his pre-injury form? Did he have a potentially career-altering injury? He's only 24 years old, right?

As for your list, it looks pretty thin for position players. Phelps is blocked by Kipnis and Donald. Chen is an offensive-oriented catcher who is blocked by Santana. Weglarz's next fairly healthy season will be his first.

I like the pitching, though.


The injuries Thomas Neal has suffered through, a hand, foot and shoulder soreness issue appear to be contributing to exposing Thomas Neal as either injury prone or just not able to compete at the highest levels of baseball. The seriousness of that concern may be overstated. A completely healthy and productive season is needed for him to become more than a "fourth outfielder" type, i.e. a potential starting corner OF'er in the Major Leagues.
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Re: Corner of Carnegie & Ontario Bound Prospects 2012

Postby ktriber » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:14 pm

I believe Phelps and Lee will do a solid job in 2012 if a role opens up for them.

I believe Weglarz has done very little to earn a shot. He needs to really pick it up or this might be his swan song.

I would like to see Goedert get a chance in 2012 at some point. His right handed power could be a big help.
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