2011 Kinston Indians Thread

by **Hermie13** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:47 pm

Night (or at least inning) to forget for Clayton Cook. Faced 7 batters in the 2nd inning and didn't retire a batter before being pulled.

by **JayAre** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:56 pm

Miller time in Kinston. Good luck, Adam!

http://www.jdnews.com/sports/-90601--.html

A face familiar to Kinston fans could soon return to Grainger Stadium.

Adam Miller, formerly the parent Cleveland Indians’ top prospect, will join the K-Tribe in Lynchburg today to continue his attempt to come back from a strange finger injury.

by **dazindiansfanuk** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:29 pm

And we have our first Adam Miller sighting.

A rough night for Adam first time out: - 1IP, 4H, 4R, 3ER, BB, K, HR

by **martyinnewyork** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:49 pm

Welcome back Adam Miller! Hope the health holds up!!!

by **TonyIBI** » Sun May 01, 2011 11:32 am

Not a good line for Miller, but not worried about that right now. Just nice to see him back out there.

by **buck84** » Sun May 01, 2011 12:40 pm

When does pomeranz pitch next?

by **dazindiansfanuk** » Sun May 01, 2011 12:44 pm

buck84 wrote:When does pomeranz pitch next?

Scheduled for today at 2:05pm ET

by **ClevelandBlues** » Sun May 01, 2011 3:37 pm

It is nice to see Miller pitching again. I am not too concerned over a one inning statline. It has been a long time since he has pitched in a real game and it may take a while to get his command back. Any word when Knapp is going to make his season debut? What about Alexander Perez?

by **dazindiansfanuk** » Sun May 01, 2011 3:56 pm

No ill effects for Pomeranz after leaving his last start early.

Finishes today with 5.1IP, 4H, 1R, 0ER, 2BB, 7K to lower his ERA to 1.54.

34K to just 7BB in 23.1IP this year

by **TonyIBI** » Wed May 04, 2011 11:20 pm

Soto left after facing just two batters tonight. Hopefully he is okay.

by **stoike** » Thu May 05, 2011 1:57 am

I hope I am not out in right field, Tony, (sorry..had to use a baseball analogy) but I think Soto only pitched 2/3 of an inning because the game was suspended from Tuesday night, when he started the game. The Indians did not want to use him to start the game the following night (Wed) which was picked up in the bottom of the 1st inning.

by **TonyIBI** » Thu May 05, 2011 8:54 am

stoike wrote:I hope I am not out in right field, Tony, (sorry..had to use a baseball analogy) but I think Soto only pitched 2/3 of an inning because the game was suspended from Tuesday night, when he started the game. The Indians did not want to use him to start the game the following night (Wed) which was picked up in the bottom of the 1st inning.

You are correct. I honestly did not realize that.....still not following all the games closely. I would have been on top of this a few weeks back! ha

by **martyinnewyork** » Thu May 05, 2011 8:17 pm

Brach with a one-hit shutout after 6...

by **TonyIBI** » Sat May 07, 2011 12:06 am

martyinnewyork wrote:Brach with a one-hit shutout after 6...

Brach is an interesting guy. Very under-rated and unheralded a la Josh Tomlin when he was in the lower levels because he lacks great stuff. But, maybe he is another Tomlin? I don't think so as he is not as athletic, but there are certainly some similarities.

by **criznit2009** » Sat May 07, 2011 8:41 pm

Pomeranz...

Think for now on we should be talking about him in the Akron Aero thread but obviously that is not my decision to make. If he has another couple of good starts though I think you HAVE to move him to Akron. He is just to good to be in Kinston anylonger IMO. Could they just end up swapping Packer with Pomeranz? I really doubt it, but with the all the talent at the top of system (can we please trade Huff???) whatever move is made will be interesting.

Now, he does seem to have one noticable weakness, controlling the running game. Working on that has got to be a priority. Is his delivery that long or? Also how is his pick-off move, most lefties have good ones, how does his rank?
Bottom line Kinston is not going to challenge Pomeranz and he would probably put up pretty similar numbers in Akron.

by **TonyIBI** » Sat May 07, 2011 11:14 pm

I believe Pomeranz will be in Akron by the end of the month. Remember, White was in Kinston until May 27th last year.

by **ironmike** » Sun May 08, 2011 8:15 am

Tony, regarding Pomerantz ... what are the specific things the Indians are asking him to work on?

1. Holding runners, the running game?

2. His secondary pitches? What are his secondary pitches?

3. Fastball location?

4. Other

by **allhailshapiro** » Mon May 09, 2011 12:21 am

Teams are starting to really run on Pomeranz. Probably isn't paying attention to the runner... :s_biggrin

Adam Miller with another outing- one inning, one walk and a K. Anyone know how he is looking otherwise? Velocity/stuff?

by **TonyIBI** » Mon May 09, 2011 5:42 pm

Mike, the Indians are asking Pomeranz to work on controlling the running game, his pickoff move, his fastball command, and developing his changeup. As for Miller, he has been up to 95 MPH. Slider is a work in progress as he is still trying to get the feel for it back as he can't bend his middle finger (the last digit is stationary).

by **Prosecutor** » Mon May 09, 2011 6:26 pm

Maybe with a stiff middle finger he can develop some kind of unhittable pitch. Didn't Bob Wickman have a partial finger or something that enabled him to throw a pitch most pitchers can't throw?

by **jellis** » Mon May 09, 2011 6:28 pm

Prosecutor wrote:Maybe with a stiff middle finger he can develop some kind of unhittable pitch. Didn't Bob Wickman have a partial finger or something that enabled him to throw a pitch most pitchers can't throw?

During a childhood farming accident, Wickman lost part of his index finger on his right hand, to which he credited much of the sinking motion on his fastball from wiki

by **danh8** » Mon May 09, 2011 11:32 pm

jellis wrote:
Prosecutor wrote:Maybe with a stiff middle finger he can develop some kind of unhittable pitch. Didn't Bob Wickman have a partial finger or something that enabled him to throw a pitch most pitchers can't throw?

During a childhood farming accident, Wickman lost part of his index finger on his right hand, to which he credited much of the sinking motion on his fastball from wiki

I believe the obvious thing to do here, is amputate that last digit on that finger and get that ball sinking..

by **jellis** » Mon May 09, 2011 11:52 pm

danh8 wrote:
jellis wrote:
Prosecutor wrote:Maybe with a stiff middle finger he can develop some kind of unhittable pitch. Didn't Bob Wickman have a partial finger or something that enabled him to throw a pitch most pitchers can't throw?

During a childhood farming accident, Wickman lost part of his index finger on his right hand, to which he credited much of the sinking motion on his fastball from wiki

I believe the obvious thing to do here, is amputate that last digit on that finger and get that ball sinking..

+1, I mean what use is it at this point anyways

by **homerawayfromhome** » Tue May 10, 2011 6:16 am

It should have been done 3 yrs ago. He could have went through rehab and been pitching in the bigs by now. :good:

by **ClevelandBlues** » Wed May 11, 2011 11:52 pm

It could turn him into a hall of fame pticher.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordecai_Brown

by **catfish** » Thu May 12, 2011 9:49 pm

Maybe miller already cut off the finger 4 k 1 hit in 2 shutout innings tonight. Anyone know how hard he is throwing and when his going to akron?

by **jellis** » Fri May 13, 2011 4:06 pm

catfish wrote:Maybe miller already cut off the finger 4 k 1 hit in 2 shutout innings tonight. Anyone know how hard he is throwing and when his going to akron?

I bet no Akron till July at the absolute earliest, coming back from such a long time off I am sure he gets a lot of time in the lower levels to shake off rust and refine his approach

by **TonyIBI** » Fri May 13, 2011 10:23 pm

jellis wrote:
catfish wrote:Maybe miller already cut off the finger 4 k 1 hit in 2 shutout innings tonight. Anyone know how hard he is throwing and when his going to akron?

I bet no Akron till July at the absolute earliest, coming back from such a long time off I am sure he gets a lot of time in the lower levels to shake off rust and refine his approach

Actually, the Indians plan to move quickly with him. If he puts another 2-3 good outings together, he's likely to go to Akron very soon.

by **jellis** » Fri May 13, 2011 10:48 pm

TonyIPI wrote:
jellis wrote:
catfish wrote:Maybe miller already cut off the finger 4 k 1 hit in 2 shutout innings tonight. Anyone know how hard he is throwing and when his going to akron?

I bet no Akron till July at the absolute earliest, coming back from such a long time off I am sure he gets a lot of time in the lower levels to shake off rust and refine his approach

Actually, the Indians plan to move quickly with him. If he puts another 2-3 good outings together, he's likely to go to Akron very soon.

color me surprised, do they think he could help this year?

by **MadThinker88** » Fri May 13, 2011 10:50 pm

jellis wrote:
TonyIPI wrote:
jellis wrote:
catfish wrote:Maybe miller already cut off the finger 4 k 1 hit in 2 shutout innings tonight. Anyone know how hard he is throwing and when his going to akron?

I bet no Akron till July at the absolute earliest, coming back from such a long time off I am sure he gets a lot of time in the lower levels to shake off rust and refine his approach

Actually, the Indians plan to move quickly with him. If he puts another 2-3 good outings together, he's likely to go to Akron very soon.

color me surprised, do they think he could help this year?

If Miller is healthy and effective, do you really want him still pitching in the minors?? I think he gets up to the show so he can be utilized/ used before the next injury happens.

by **TonyIBI** » Fri May 13, 2011 11:03 pm

MadThinker88 wrote:
jellis wrote:
TonyIPI wrote:Actually, the Indians plan to move quickly with him. If he puts another 2-3 good outings together, he's likely to go to Akron very soon.

color me surprised, do they think he could help this year?

If Miller is healthy and effective, do you really want him still pitching in the minors?? I think he gets up to the show so he can be utilized/ used before the next injury happens.

Correct. Miller is a FA at end of year....plus no idea when injury may resurface. They are on record as saying if he pitches well in 4-5 game stint at Kinston he will quickly move to Akron (and Columbus).

by **jellis** » Fri May 13, 2011 11:24 pm

TonyIPI wrote:
MadThinker88 wrote:
jellis wrote:
TonyIPI wrote:Actually, the Indians plan to move quickly with him. If he puts another 2-3 good outings together, he's likely to go to Akron very soon.

color me surprised, do they think he could help this year?

If Miller is healthy and effective, do you really want him still pitching in the minors?? I think he gets up to the show so he can be utilized/ used before the next injury happens.

Correct. Miller is a FA at end of year....plus no idea when injury may resurface. They are on record as saying if he pitches well in 4-5 game stint at Kinston he will quickly move to Akron (and Columbus).

Fair enough, who knows maybe he can be our version of Price, Krod, Joba seems every year their is one amazing arm at the back of the pen that has an impact in Sept and Oct

by **homerawayfromhome** » Fri May 13, 2011 11:44 pm

I'd rather see Miller on the hill than Germano, and maybe Hermann and Durbin.

by **criznit2009** » Sat May 14, 2011 9:21 pm

what a night for Soto 7IP 3H 1BB 8K!! Really starting to like this kid!

by **MadThinker88** » Sat May 14, 2011 11:39 pm

I really think the Tribe got a good deal moving Peralta to Detroit. If nothing else, its one more possible arm into the equation.

While we know not every prospect/ pitcher will make it, the more good possibilities there are, the better chance a few will pan out and be something.

by **Lloyd Christmas** » Mon May 16, 2011 9:04 pm

Another good outing for Miller. 2IP OH OBB 3K

by **artgold** » Mon May 16, 2011 11:38 pm

In his last four outings, Miller has pitched 6 innings, giving up 2 hits and 2 walks while striking out 9 batters.

Hate to get excited again about him, but...

by **TonyIBI** » Mon May 16, 2011 11:48 pm

artgold wrote:In his last four outings, Miller has pitched 6 innings, giving up 2 hits and 2 walks while striking out 9 batters.

Hate to get excited again about him, but...

Indians said if he strung together 4-5 good outings in a row he'd move up....we'll see what happens here soon. (Though it should be noted that good outings are not always considered to be statistical good outings.)

by **GeronimoSon** » Tue May 17, 2011 9:22 am

criznit2009 wrote:what a night for Soto 7IP 3H 1BB 8K!! Really starting to like this kid!

The Indians trade of Jhonny Peralta to the tigers for Giovanni Soto, a 19 year old, 6'3 155 pound string bean lefty with five pitches, didn't look like much at the time of the trade. If anything, it was called a salary dump and was so panned by the less than optimistic Friends of the Feather. Since then, Gio has added 25 pounds of muscle and has raised his FB velo from the mid 80's to the low 90's while maintaining good command of four pitches for his age.. You can't ever have enough pitching..and you certainly can't ever have enough lefty starters of Soto's projected caliber. At the start of this season, he was ranked the 27th best prospect in the Indians system by our group of 17 amateurs.. his star is on the rise.. While it would be "homer-esque" to call this trade in favor or the Indians, the trade is moving more towards a "draw", imho...

by **Prosecutor** » Tue May 17, 2011 10:30 am

GeronimoSon wrote: The Indians trade of Jhonny Peralta to the tigers for Giovanni Soto, a 19 year old, 6'3 155 pound string bean lefty with five pitches, didn't look like much at the time of the trade. If anything, it was called a salary dump and was so panned by the less than optimistic Friends of the Feather. Since then, Gio has added 25 pounds of muscle and has raised his FB velo from the mid 80's to the low 90's while maintaining good command of four pitches for his age.. You can't ever have enough pitching..and you certainly can't ever have enough lefty starters of Soto's projected caliber. At the start of this season, he was ranked the 27th best prospect in the Indians system by our group of 17 amateurs.. his star is on the rise.. While it would be "homer-esque" to call this trade in favor or the Indians, the trade is moving more towards a "draw", imho...

Call me "homeresque" then, because I disagree about the trade moving towards a draw. It was a win for the Indians from the beginning. Peralta is making $5.25 million for Detroit this year. No way the Tribe would have paid him that much to play 3B for one season as a placeholder for Chiz. They got Hannahan instead for a fraction of the cost and he's working out very well.

What they gave up for Soto was one-half season of having to watch Nix and Valbuena attempting to play 3rd base in place of Peralta. It was brutal but it didn't matter since they were playing for 4th place. Trading the last half of Peralta's 2010 season for a 19-year-old lefty with four pitches and a major league upside was a win from the beginning, and it's only going to get better.

By the way, Peralta is off to a great start for perhaps the first time in his career. A notoriously slow starter, he's hitting .305 with an OPS of .882. He's on pace for 24 HRs and 91 RBI, which would be the best year of his career. And he's still only 28. It was a good trade for both teams, assuming the Tribe would never have signed Jhonny to a $5 million deal.

by **Bearcatbob** » Tue May 17, 2011 11:29 am

I do not care if Hannahan gets another hit if he can continue to field the position as he does. Last years post Peralta play at 3b was simply nauseating.

Bob

by **Hermie13** » Tue May 17, 2011 12:21 pm

Prosecutor wrote:
GeronimoSon wrote: The Indians trade of Jhonny Peralta to the tigers for Giovanni Soto, a 19 year old, 6'3 155 pound string bean lefty with five pitches, didn't look like much at the time of the trade. If anything, it was called a salary dump and was so panned by the less than optimistic Friends of the Feather. Since then, Gio has added 25 pounds of muscle and has raised his FB velo from the mid 80's to the low 90's while maintaining good command of four pitches for his age.. You can't ever have enough pitching..and you certainly can't ever have enough lefty starters of Soto's projected caliber. At the start of this season, he was ranked the 27th best prospect in the Indians system by our group of 17 amateurs.. his star is on the rise.. While it would be "homer-esque" to call this trade in favor or the Indians, the trade is moving more towards a "draw", imho...

Call me "homeresque" then, because I disagree about the trade moving towards a draw. It was a win for the Indians from the beginning. Peralta is making $5.25 million for Detroit this year. No way the Tribe would have paid him that much to play 3B for one season as a placeholder for Chiz. They got Hannahan instead for a fraction of the cost and he's working out very well.

What they gave up for Soto was one-half season of having to watch Nix and Valbuena attempting to play 3rd base in place of Peralta. It was brutal but it didn't matter since they were playing for 4th place. Trading the last half of Peralta's 2010 season for a 19-year-old lefty with four pitches and a major league upside was a win from the beginning, and it's only going to get better.

By the way, Peralta is off to a great start for perhaps the first time in his career. A notoriously slow starter, he's hitting .305 with an OPS of .882. He's on pace for 24 HRs and 91 RBI, which would be the best year of his career. And he's still only 28. It was a good trade for both teams, assuming the Tribe would never have signed Jhonny to a $5 million deal.

I still think it was a 'draw'. I know others say it would never have happened but still feel the Tribe would have been better off keeping Peralta, declining his option, then offering arby. We'd have a sandwich pick inbetween the 1st and 2nd round right now had we done that. Would that prospect be better than Soto? meh, no guarantee...but in this draft, that extra pick would look o so good right now. O well. Do like Sota a lot so can't complain about the trade.

by **TonyIBI** » Tue May 17, 2011 12:40 pm

I know firsthand that the Indians would never have offered Peralta arbitration. They did not want to risk being stuck with him.

by **Hermie13** » Tue May 17, 2011 12:55 pm

TonyIPI wrote:I know firsthand that the Indians would never have offered Peralta arbitration. They did not want to risk being stuck with him.

Just because the Tribe wouldn't have done it, doesn't mean they were right though. There was no way Peralta accepted. Look at what he got, plus he was very upset over losing his SS job.

by **ktriber** » Tue May 17, 2011 1:03 pm

GeronimoSon wrote:
criznit2009 wrote:what a night for Soto 7IP 3H 1BB 8K!! Really starting to like this kid!
The Indians trade of Jhonny Peralta to the tigers for Giovanni Soto, a 19 year old, 6'3 155 pound string bean lefty with five pitches, didn't look like much at the time of the trade. If anything, it was called a salary dump and was so panned by the less than optimistic Friends of the Feather. Since then, Gio has added 25 pounds of muscle and has raised his FB velo from the mid 80's to the low 90's while maintaining good command of four pitches for his age.. You can't ever have enough pitching..and you certainly can't ever have enough lefty starters of Soto's projected caliber. At the start of this season, he was ranked the 27th best prospect in the Indians system by our group of 17 amateurs.. his star is on the rise.. While it would be "homer-esque" to call this trade in favor or the Indians, the trade is moving more towards a "draw", imho...

Soto has pitched great this year and is a real prospect in my opinion, but he is not pitching in the low 90's (unless the gun is wrong in Kinston). His fastball is normally in the 86-88 range.

by **dazindiansfanuk** » Fri May 20, 2011 9:22 pm

Great game for Soto again tonight..... served up a leadoff HR, but finished with 6IP, 4H, 1R/ER, 1BB, 8K to lower his ERA to 2.02

K-Tribe lead 2-1 after 7.

by **dazindiansfanuk** » Fri May 20, 2011 9:52 pm

And two hitless innings with a pair of Ks for Miller to close it out.

In his last 5 games now he's pitched to a line of 8IP, 2H, 0R, 3BB, 11K

by **criznit2009** » Fri May 20, 2011 10:02 pm

Gotta think with Hagadones promotion - it is Miller-time in Akron!

by **jellis** » Fri May 20, 2011 10:04 pm

criznit2009 wrote:Gotta think with Hagadones promotion - it is Miller-time in Akron!

nope, they put Price in the spot

by **criznit2009** » Fri May 20, 2011 10:37 pm

jellis wrote:
criznit2009 wrote:Gotta think with Hagadones promotion - it is Miller-time in Akron!

nope, they put Price in the spot

Maybe he will skip Akron??

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