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Gutierrez On the Way Out?

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Re: Gutierrez On the Way Out?

Postby TheWord » Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:58 pm

dnosco wrote:You never know if Hoynes is telling the truth or just making stuff up but today's paper said that we could have had Heilman instead of Smith plus Valbuena.

If so, the die is cast. We know who we could have had and now we can see how it turns out. Me, I would have rather had Heilman

Time will tell.




Let's see.

Smith:

Lower career ERA, Less H9, less HR9....5 years younger

Heilman:

Lower WHIP, 5 years older, don't get a 22 year old 2B prospect



I'm not going to mention that Heilman got rocked last year with an ERA over 5, just because you're adamant in your point that bullpen guys are very up and down, which I somewhat agree with.



I would take the 2 for 1 either way.
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Re: Gutierrez On the Way Out?

Postby MickS » Sun Dec 21, 2008 5:13 pm

I didn't mark the exact date that I stopped considering Hoynes a responsible, informed sports journalist...but it was quite a while ago.
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Re: Gutierrez On the Way Out?

Postby npc29 » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:24 pm

We already have one guy that we need a bounce back from in the pen, do we really need two?
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Re: Gutierrez On the Way Out?

Postby TonyIBI » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:37 am

Why would we want Heilman instead of Smith AND Valbuena. Based on everything the three players have done to date and what they are expected to do going forward, I take Smith/Valbuena. Heilman has the prospect pedigree and some great stuff, but has not been very good, consisent and I am not sure I want that in my pen in 2009. I take the more sure thing in Smith, plus potentially fill our 2B problem.
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Re: Gutierrez On the Way Out?

Postby Hermie13 » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:04 am

I really like Heilman still and think he can be a decent backend guy....but I agree, I like what we got better.
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