RSS Twitter Facebook YouTube
Expand Menu

Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Talk about the Cleveland Indians, Major League Baseball, and other sports.

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby Chip Davis » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:37 am

ASUTribefan wrote:
Chiefroy wrote:
ASUTribefan wrote:
ChadS17 wrote:
ASUTribefan wrote:next 3 are MUST wins or we will be as many as 7 back when you factor in detroit has 2 more games to play then we do and this team isn't good enough to make up for being 5 back let alone 7


You need to explain your math. Even if Detroit wins those two games (no guarantee they will), those two games will account for one full game in the standings. You're assuming they will win both games and they are only worth a half game each.


ROTFLMAO
did you just try to say each game vs detroit is only a half game each? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol You should post less and go learn how baseball works. every game they play head to head counts towards a full game in the standings. you're just trolling at this point
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/index. ... _standings

we were 3 games back before today and we are now 4 games back after ONE game.



C'mon, dude. You're embarrassing yourself. Tigers are 65-45(110 games) and we're 62-50(112). Two more wins by Tigers would even out the games played and make them 67-45. That's 5 more wins, 5 fewer losses than us. 5 games back. Those games count one half. :rolleyes



incorrect you count those games as FULL games, its been that way since baseball was created


It's only a full game if Detroit wins and Cleveland loses. If Detroit plays 2 games and win while Cleveland is idle that would put Cleveland back 1 game. Just trying to help.
Chip Davis
Draft Prospect
 
Posts: 163
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:44 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:51 am

GoTribe028 wrote:Nevermind how Perez pitched in the 9th, it was pathetic enough on its own. If reports are true that he left without showering and refusing to talk to teammates and media alike then quite frankly I don't understand how anyone can support him anymore.

I get that he's pitched well of late and for that I'm happy he's doing for the Indians rather than against them, but last night he needed to step up the same way people are saying Masterson has too, and he didn't. He belly flopped like no other.

On the plus side, from the looks of things, the team was ready. Played great defense, and got to Sanchez as best they could for Kluber. And because of Perez, the Cleveland morning radio scene is thrilled to have something to talk about today.


Twenty somethings that fail miserably in front of god and everyone sometimes make bad choices.. Perez leaving without stepping up to mic and taking the heat.. is not a good thing.. The nasty biased ready to point at him for bad pitching, bad economy and bad anything else media.. can screw themselves..What are they going to ask?. How come you sucked the big one tonight and did your pot smoking contribute to the abject failure?.

He was clearly upset with his effort, his results and himself. He followed the sage advice" ".. if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything..." For those looking for a silver lining, at least he didn't stick his foot in his mouth..

As far as supporting him.. like no other time, this is when it's most needed..

btw.. the half game versus one game discussion..should either be ENDED by a smart moderator or taken to a different thread.. :rolleyes
GeronimoSon
MLB Rookie
 
Posts: 3904
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:17 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby GhostofTedCox » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:42 pm

I don't really blame a guy for not talking to the media after blowing that save. What can he say that really matters? He's pissed. And he feels bad for letting the team down.

As for leaving early, maybe his dog had the munchies. :wink
User avatar
GhostofTedCox
Single-A Phenom
 
Posts: 722
Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:24 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:46 pm

GhostofTedCox wrote:I don't really blame a guy for not talking to the media after blowing that save. What can he say that really matters? He's pissed. And he feels bad for letting the team down.

As for leaving early, maybe his dog had the munchies. :wink


lol...
GeronimoSon
MLB Rookie
 
Posts: 3904
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:17 pm

Tigers Game 2 - Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thr

Postby Bearcatbob » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:21 pm

C'mon guys! Do it for yourselves!

Damn - I would love to see a Tribe blowout where Swisher and ACab found their bats.

IMO the only big money addition carrying their weight is Bourn. The bargain basement buys have been huge! We need everyone!
Bearcatbob
Single-A Phenom
 
Posts: 597
Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:10 am

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby Hermie13 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:59 pm

Kluber to the DL with a strained finger....

Doesn't sound good...some are saying he could be done for the year.

Langwell up...
Hermie13
MLB All Star
 
Posts: 7120
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:34 am
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby ASUTribefan » Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:01 pm

Langwell is only up for a couple hours really, Salazar will take his spot to fill Klubers rotation spot
ASUTribefan
Rookie Baller
 
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:47 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby ASUTribefan » Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:17 pm

fun fact, Jimenez is the only starter with an ERA over 4. if only the BP wasn't such a bust this year
ASUTribefan
Rookie Baller
 
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:47 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby A.Zajac » Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:41 pm

Hermie13 wrote:Kluber to the DL with a strained finger....

Doesn't sound good...some are saying he could be done for the year.

Langwell up...


He'll be back in early September more than likely. If not.. to the waiver wire we go.
Follow me on Twitter!
@AndrewIPI
User avatar
A.Zajac
Triple-A Stud
 
Posts: 3133
Joined: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:31 am
Location: Struthers, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby Bearcatbob » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:34 pm

ASUTribefan wrote:fun fact, Jimenez is the only starter with an ERA over 4. if only the BP wasn't such a bust this year


IMO the batting order is an equal bust.
Bearcatbob
Single-A Phenom
 
Posts: 597
Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:10 am

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby A.Zajac » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:39 pm

Bearcatbob wrote:
ASUTribefan wrote:fun fact, Jimenez is the only starter with an ERA over 4. if only the BP wasn't such a bust this year


IMO the batting order is an equal bust.


Cabrera and Swisher are painful to watch anymore. Kipnis needs to be more consistent (yes, really). Gomes needs more at-bats. Cut the cord on Reynolds. Keep Santana's swing short.
Follow me on Twitter!
@AndrewIPI
User avatar
A.Zajac
Triple-A Stud
 
Posts: 3133
Joined: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:31 am
Location: Struthers, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby ASUTribefan » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:13 pm

Bearcatbob wrote:
ASUTribefan wrote:fun fact, Jimenez is the only starter with an ERA over 4. if only the BP wasn't such a bust this year


IMO the batting order is an equal bust.


not really, been one of the most productive in all of baseball.
ASUTribefan
Rookie Baller
 
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:47 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby ASUTribefan » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:14 pm

Nah nah nah, nah nah nah, hey hey hey, goooodbyeeeee

thats what Tiger fans are signing as they wrap up knocking Cleveland out of the running for the Central with tonights beatdown
ASUTribefan
Rookie Baller
 
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:47 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:42 am

ASUTribefan wrote:Nah nah nah, nah nah nah, hey hey hey, goooodbyeeeee

thats what Tiger fans are signing as they wrap up knocking Cleveland out of the running for the Central with tonights beatdown

:rolleyes
Hermie13
MLB All Star
 
Posts: 7120
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:34 am
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:58 am

ASUTribefan wrote:fun fact, Jimenez is the only starter with an ERA over 4. if only the BP wasn't such a bust this year


Rotation has been solid this year....but fun fact, they still rank only 8th in the AL in team ERA (exact middle of the pact). I don't think some people realize just how much offense is down and how much pitching is up these days. Lots of teams have great rotations nowadays. Tribe's rotation only has the 4th best ERA in the AL Central....Detroit is 1st in the AL, KC is 4th and Chicago is 5th.
Last edited by Hermie13 on Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:10 am, edited 2 times in total.
Hermie13
MLB All Star
 
Posts: 7120
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:34 am
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:00 am

A.Zajac wrote:
Hermie13 wrote:Kluber to the DL with a strained finger....

Doesn't sound good...some are saying he could be done for the year.

Langwell up...


He'll be back in early September more than likely. If not.. to the waiver wire we go.


I sure hope so...but then again, McAllister had a similar issue and missed over 40 games....there are 49 games left in the season...
Hermie13
MLB All Star
 
Posts: 7120
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:34 am
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby ASUTribefan » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:19 am

Hermie13 wrote:
ASUTribefan wrote:fun fact, Jimenez is the only starter with an ERA over 4. if only the BP wasn't such a bust this year


Rotation has been solid this year....but fun fact, they still rank 9th in the AL in team ERA. I don't think some people realize just how much offense is down and how much pitching is up these days. Lots of teams have great rotations nowadays. Tribe's rotation only has the 4th best ERA in the AL Central....KC and Detroit are 1-2 in the AL and Chicago is 8th.


Already covered that, Hence the BP and Jimenez comment. the 4 of Masterson, McAllister, Kluber and Kazmir have a combined ERA of 3.64 which would be the 6th best in all of baseball. just ahead of Atlanta

the rotation has the 3rd best opposing slg% allowed , 10th best in baseball, OPS allowed is 4th best in baseball, they have the top spot in opposing least amount of hits allowed in the AL and 3rd in baseball

the tribe is a starter away from having a top rotation in the bigs, Salazar, Bauer, whoever they replace jimenez with as long as he's an upgrade they are playoff contenders for sure
ASUTribefan
Rookie Baller
 
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:47 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby ASUTribefan » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:19 am

Hermie13 wrote:
A.Zajac wrote:
Hermie13 wrote:Kluber to the DL with a strained finger....

Doesn't sound good...some are saying he could be done for the year.

Langwell up...


He'll be back in early September more than likely. If not.. to the waiver wire we go.


I sure hope so...but then again, McAllister had a similar issue and missed over 40 games....there are 49 games left in the season...



Not the same injury and Klubers isn't as severe
ASUTribefan
Rookie Baller
 
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:47 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:21 am

ASUTribefan wrote:
Hermie13 wrote:
A.Zajac wrote:
Hermie13 wrote:Kluber to the DL with a strained finger....

Doesn't sound good...some are saying he could be done for the year.

Langwell up...


He'll be back in early September more than likely. If not.. to the waiver wire we go.


I sure hope so...but then again, McAllister had a similar issue and missed over 40 games....there are 49 games left in the season...



Not the same injury and Klubers isn't as severe


Again, hope you guys are right but they acted as though McAllister's wasn't that bad either and he missed more time then originally thought. Probably being too pessimistic but don't think we should rule out Kluber being out for 6 weeks...
Hermie13
MLB All Star
 
Posts: 7120
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:34 am
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:37 am

ASUTribefan wrote:
Hermie13 wrote:
ASUTribefan wrote:fun fact, Jimenez is the only starter with an ERA over 4. if only the BP wasn't such a bust this year


Rotation has been solid this year....but fun fact, they still rank 9th in the AL in team ERA. I don't think some people realize just how much offense is down and how much pitching is up these days. Lots of teams have great rotations nowadays. Tribe's rotation only has the 4th best ERA in the AL Central....KC and Detroit are 1-2 in the AL and Chicago is 8th.


Already covered that, Hence the BP and Jimenez comment. the 4 of Masterson, McAllister, Kluber and Kazmir have a combined ERA of 3.64 which would be the 6th best in all of baseball. just ahead of Atlanta

the rotation has the 3rd best opposing slg% allowed , 10th best in baseball, OPS allowed is 4th best in baseball, they have the top spot in opposing least amount of hits allowed in the AL and 3rd in baseball

the tribe is a starter away from having a top rotation in the bigs, Salazar, Bauer, whoever they replace jimenez with as long as he's an upgrade they are playoff contenders for sure


What does the BP have to do with the Tribe having the 4th best rotation ERA in the AL Central this year?

You can't just drop the Tribe's 5th starter's ERA from the total then say they have the 6th best ERA in baseball (2nd best in AL). You would need to drop the 5th starter's ERA from ALL teams for that to work as a 5th starter is still needed for the regular season. Plus every team will need a 6th and 7th starter to fill in for doubleheaders and injuries. Fact is the Tribe has the 8th best rotation in the AL this year. Though granted over the last month or two they have been much better (Kazmir especially). Would like to see a split of a split and see how the rotation stacks up since the first month or two of the season.

Depends who the starter is on if adding him gives us a top rotation in baseball...and depends if Kluber and McAllister can duplicate what they've done this year. rotation definitely has been better than advertised from this spring though, agree there.
Hermie13
MLB All Star
 
Posts: 7120
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:34 am
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby Prosecutor » Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:05 am

Tough break for Kluber - he was having a breakout season. He hurt the finger in the 8th inning on his 103rd pitch. I have to wonder whether Francona would have brought him out for the 8th if Vinnie were available. Last year's Vinnie, I mean.

This really hurts the Tribe's wild card chances since Salazar can't take Kluber's spot because of the innings limitation, and neither Carrasco or Bauer are ready (and might never be). We might see Dice K take that spot. He's been pitching OK in Columbus recently.
Prosecutor
Single-A Phenom
 
Posts: 953
Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:51 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:36 am

Before I go into last night's loss..

There seems to be a bit of an uproar concerning Chris Perez's departure from the clubhouse the night before last night's game.. FWIW, June 27th CP told the local media to go pound sand. He wasn't going to speak with them the rest of the year and they shouldn't bother trying. This was after the DL stint and the pot delivery thing.. The local media has been lying in wait for him to fail since then and it's taken more than a month. In the first game of the Detroit series.. he did..

What a bunch low life cretins.. They posted a poll asking the "fans" who they trust to save a game (on the heels of the blown save)? A story depicting Terry Francona as defending CP and his silence.. etc.. Just bush league crapola..

What a shame..
GeronimoSon
MLB Rookie
 
Posts: 3904
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:17 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby OhioBaseball » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:46 am

Regarding Kluber, he really brought it on Monday night. He was basically sitting around 95mph that game, which is quite a bit higher than normal for him. I was really surprised watching the radar gun readings that Kluber was putting together. Average for him going into the game was around 92.5mph. I wonder if it's possible he was putting too much pressure on his arm (based on his materially higher velocity readings) and that is what led to this finger strain. Kluber really brought his "A" game on Monday night -- I wonder if he was just putting too much effort into his delivery, gripping the ball a bit harder, etc. It's all speculation on my part, but he had abnormally good velo.
OhioBaseball
Single-A Phenom
 
Posts: 652
Joined: Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:00 pm
Location: Chicago, Illinois

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby ASUTribefan » Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:28 am

Hermie13 wrote:
ASUTribefan wrote:
Hermie13 wrote:
ASUTribefan wrote:fun fact, Jimenez is the only starter with an ERA over 4. if only the BP wasn't such a bust this year


Rotation has been solid this year....but fun fact, they still rank 9th in the AL in team ERA. I don't think some people realize just how much offense is down and how much pitching is up these days. Lots of teams have great rotations nowadays. Tribe's rotation only has the 4th best ERA in the AL Central....KC and Detroit are 1-2 in the AL and Chicago is 8th.


Already covered that, Hence the BP and Jimenez comment. the 4 of Masterson, McAllister, Kluber and Kazmir have a combined ERA of 3.64 which would be the 6th best in all of baseball. just ahead of Atlanta

the rotation has the 3rd best opposing slg% allowed , 10th best in baseball, OPS allowed is 4th best in baseball, they have the top spot in opposing least amount of hits allowed in the AL and 3rd in baseball

the tribe is a starter away from having a top rotation in the bigs, Salazar, Bauer, whoever they replace jimenez with as long as he's an upgrade they are playoff contenders for sure


What does the BP have to do with the Tribe having the 4th best rotation ERA in the AL Central this year?

You can't just drop the Tribe's 5th starter's ERA from the total then say they have the 6th best ERA in baseball (2nd best in AL). You would need to drop the 5th starter's ERA from ALL teams for that to work as a 5th starter is still needed for the regular season. Plus every team will need a 6th and 7th starter to fill in for doubleheaders and injuries. Fact is the Tribe has the 8th best rotation in the AL this year. Though granted over the last month or two they have been much better (Kazmir especially). Would like to see a split of a split and see how the rotation stacks up since the first month or two of the season.

Depends who the starter is on if adding him gives us a top rotation in baseball...and depends if Kluber and McAllister can duplicate what they've done this year. rotation definitely has been better than advertised from this spring though, agree there.


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol Troll troll troll your boat gentley down the street
ASUTribefan
Rookie Baller
 
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:47 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:49 am

OhioBaseball wrote:Regarding Kluber, he really brought it on Monday night. He was basically sitting around 95mph that game, which is quite a bit higher than normal for him. I was really surprised watching the radar gun readings that Kluber was putting together. Average for him going into the game was around 92.5mph. I wonder if it's possible he was putting too much pressure on his arm (based on his materially higher velocity readings) and that is what led to this finger strain. Kluber really brought his "A" game on Monday night -- I wonder if he was just putting too much effort into his delivery, gripping the ball a bit harder, etc. It's all speculation on my part, but he had abnormally good velo.


OB.. I'm pretty sure you know that grinding the ball into dust doesn't help all that much as it relates to throwing a fastball. It does a little bit for a cutter or slider and a LOT with a curve ball.. His arm action and balance appeared to be spot on. His landing point and follow through were controlled. etc. etc... that is, it didn't look like he was overthrowing at all & the ball was coming out of his hand smoothly/effortlessly.

The gun readings?. well. i guess there might be merit to that, but, radar gun readings vary from park to park in spite of claims of calibration....
GeronimoSon
MLB Rookie
 
Posts: 3904
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:17 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby OhioBaseball » Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:28 am

GeronimoSon wrote:
OhioBaseball wrote:Regarding Kluber, he really brought it on Monday night. He was basically sitting around 95mph that game, which is quite a bit higher than normal for him. I was really surprised watching the radar gun readings that Kluber was putting together. Average for him going into the game was around 92.5mph. I wonder if it's possible he was putting too much pressure on his arm (based on his materially higher velocity readings) and that is what led to this finger strain. Kluber really brought his "A" game on Monday night -- I wonder if he was just putting too much effort into his delivery, gripping the ball a bit harder, etc. It's all speculation on my part, but he had abnormally good velo.


OB.. I'm pretty sure you know that grinding the ball into dust doesn't help all that much as it relates to throwing a fastball. It does a little bit for a cutter or slider and a LOT with a curve ball.. His arm action and balance appeared to be spot on. His landing point and follow through were controlled. etc. etc... that is, it didn't look like he was overthrowing at all & the ball was coming out of his hand smoothly/effortlessly.

The gun readings?. well. i guess there might be merit to that, but, radar gun readings vary from park to park in spite of claims of calibration....


I agree with what you're saying. However, my thought process was sometimes adrenaline can give you a big rush. Some days you're able to lift 10 more lbs. than normal b/c of it. Big game vs. your division rival may have you a little more fired up. I just remember thinking his velocities were a bit of an anomaly and then he comes up with an injury -- would the two be related?

Regarding the gun readings, there may be some evidence the guns were juiced on Monday night. According to FanGraphs, Anibal Sanchez' velocities were higher than normal, too, so good call on your part. It appears there is nothing to this; the gun was probably off on Monday.
OhioBaseball
Single-A Phenom
 
Posts: 652
Joined: Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:00 pm
Location: Chicago, Illinois

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby ASUTribefan » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:33 pm

•The Twins believe they had enough interest in Justin Morneau that if he continues to hit well and shows power, he could be moved to a contender in a waiver deal. The Blue Jays might claim him but the Rays, Orioles, and Indians might also have some interest.
ASUTribefan
Rookie Baller
 
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:47 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:57 pm

Prosecutor wrote:Tough break for Kluber - he was having a breakout season. He hurt the finger in the 8th inning on his 103rd pitch. I have to wonder whether Francona would have brought him out for the 8th if Vinnie were available. Last year's Vinnie, I mean.

This really hurts the Tribe's wild card chances since Salazar can't take Kluber's spot because of the innings limitation, and neither Carrasco or Bauer are ready (and might never be). We might see Dice K take that spot. He's been pitching OK in Columbus recently.


I know they are saying that Kluber hurt his finger in the 8th...but part of me wonders if maybe he didn't mention some issues in a previous start. It would help explain the reports that came out right before the deadline that the Tribe was workign hard to get another starting pitcher. Didn't seem to make a ton of sense as Masterson, Kluber, Kazmir, McAllister, and Ubaldo all have been solid (or much better) this year. No one needed replaced cause of performance (including Ubaldo). But maybe the Tribe had some worries on Kluber heading into the deadline? Probably wasn't the case...but makes ya wonder.

Dice-K has been on fire in Columbus since the break. In those 4 starts he's thrown 28 innings (that's 7 per), 22 Ks, only 3 BBs, a 0.96 WHIP and .233 BAA. Obviously a very small sample against AAA bats but still. Gone at least 6 innings in his last six starts and at least 7 in five of those six.

Personally still want to see Carrasco as think he still has a chance to make it, but hard to take a chance like that when you're in a playoff race. Though Carrasco hasn't been bad down in Columbus of late either. Solid ERA, WHIP, and BAA.
Hermie13
MLB All Star
 
Posts: 7120
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:34 am
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby A.Zajac » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:03 pm

Jordan Bastian ‏@MLBastian 32s
Indians announce 2-year extension for UTIL Ryan Raburn (with option for 2016). More soon on http://Indians.com .
Follow me on Twitter!
@AndrewIPI
User avatar
A.Zajac
Triple-A Stud
 
Posts: 3133
Joined: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:31 am
Location: Struthers, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby A.Zajac » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:08 pm

paul hoynes ‏@hoynsie 1m
Raburn's two-year extension worth $4.85 million. #Indians.
Follow me on Twitter!
@AndrewIPI
User avatar
A.Zajac
Triple-A Stud
 
Posts: 3133
Joined: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:31 am
Location: Struthers, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:11 pm

A.Zajac wrote:paul hoynes ‏@hoynsie 1m
Raburn's two-year extension worth $4.85 million. #Indians.


Good signing IMO. Even if he reverts back to his 2010-2011 numbers that's still a decent deal, even for his age.
Hermie13
MLB All Star
 
Posts: 7120
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:34 am
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby A.Zajac » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:15 pm

Next guy I want to see locked up is Kazmir.
Follow me on Twitter!
@AndrewIPI
User avatar
A.Zajac
Triple-A Stud
 
Posts: 3133
Joined: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:31 am
Location: Struthers, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:39 pm

A.Zajac wrote:Next guy I want to see locked up is Kazmir.


Second the Kazmir extension...with the steadiness of Joe Smith.. and the continued consistency of Matt Albers, both of those guys being extended wouldn't hurt my feelings, either..
GeronimoSon
MLB Rookie
 
Posts: 3904
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:17 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:04 pm

Hermie13 wrote:
ASUTribefan wrote:
Hermie13 wrote:
A.Zajac wrote:
Hermie13 wrote:Kluber to the DL with a strained finger....

Doesn't sound good...some are saying he could be done for the year.

Langwell up...


He'll be back in early September more than likely. If not.. to the waiver wire we go.


I sure hope so...but then again, McAllister had a similar issue and missed over 40 games....there are 49 games left in the season...



Not the same injury and Klubers isn't as severe


Again, hope you guys are right but they acted as though McAllister's wasn't that bad either and he missed more time then originally thought. Probably being too pessimistic but don't think we should rule out Kluber being out for 6 weeks...



Being reported that Kluber will be out 4-6 weeks....could take it to the end of the year potentially if he has even the slightest setback (as only 7.5 weeks left in season).

What I was afraid of... :sad
Hermie13
MLB All Star
 
Posts: 7120
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:34 am
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby A.Zajac » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:26 pm

Well either we find a starter via waivers, ride Salazar for a little while and/or call up Dice K.
Follow me on Twitter!
@AndrewIPI
User avatar
A.Zajac
Triple-A Stud
 
Posts: 3133
Joined: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:31 am
Location: Struthers, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby nubballguy » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:02 pm

Prosecutor wrote:Tough break for Kluber - he was having a breakout season. He hurt the finger in the 8th inning on his 103rd pitch. I have to wonder whether Francona would have brought him out for the 8th if Vinnie were available. Last year's Vinnie, I mean.

This really hurts the Tribe's wild card chances since Salazar can't take Kluber's spot because of the innings limitation, and neither Carrasco or Bauer are ready (and might never be). We might see Dice K take that spot. He's been pitching OK in Columbus recently.


I've been commenting on Dice K's recent success and wondering if he might be asked back for 2014 as a "veteran" SP that would be a cost effective option over UJ and what we paid for Myers this year. With that, I wondered as well if he might get the opportunity here with the injury to Kluber to take the spot. As Pros says, Salazar is not the long term answer due to his innings limitations. Of the other options available, Bauer clearly is not a viable one and Carrasco doesn't seem to be it either so perhaps this injury clears a path to the bigs for Dice K.
nubballguy
Draft Prospect
 
Posts: 120
Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:39 am

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby ASUTribefan » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:05 pm

nubballguy wrote:
Prosecutor wrote:Tough break for Kluber - he was having a breakout season. He hurt the finger in the 8th inning on his 103rd pitch. I have to wonder whether Francona would have brought him out for the 8th if Vinnie were available. Last year's Vinnie, I mean.

This really hurts the Tribe's wild card chances since Salazar can't take Kluber's spot because of the innings limitation, and neither Carrasco or Bauer are ready (and might never be). We might see Dice K take that spot. He's been pitching OK in Columbus recently.


I've been commenting on Dice K's recent success and wondering if he might be asked back for 2014 as a "veteran" SP that would be a cost effective option over UJ and what we paid for Myers this year. With that, I wondered as well if he might get the opportunity here with the injury to Kluber to take the spot. As Pros says, Salazar is not the long term answer due to his innings limitations. Of the other options available, Bauer clearly is not a viable one and Carrasco doesn't seem to be it either so perhaps this injury clears a path to the bigs for Dice K.



Salazar, Bauer and maybe even Carrasco (we'll see what they do with him in the off-season) will get a chance long term long before Dice-K will, thats not even in question.
ASUTribefan
Rookie Baller
 
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:47 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby nubballguy » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:18 pm

I agree that all three of those guys are the future of the tribe's rotation but, for various reasons, teams like to bring in "veteran" pitchers much like they Indians did in signing Myers at the start of this year. That was a total bust but fortunately Kazmir, a long shot at the start of the year, came through in the "veteran" role.
I think you will agree that Dice K has seemingly turned a corner and recently been pitching well in Columbus. With Salazar innings limited and the other two struggling currently, it seems to me an opportunity for DK to at least get an opportunity to fill Kluber's slot. If this current iteration of Dice K where to translate to the big league club, I could see the FO wanting to retain him at least for '14 if not '15 as well.
nubballguy
Draft Prospect
 
Posts: 120
Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:39 am

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby ASUTribefan » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:25 pm

nubballguy wrote:I agree that all three of those guys are the future of the tribe's rotation but, for various reasons, teams like to bring in "veteran" pitchers much like they Indians did in signing Myers at the start of this year. That was a total bust but fortunately Kazmir, a long shot at the start of the year, came through in the "veteran" role.
I think you will agree that Dice K has seemingly turned a corner and recently been pitching well in Columbus. With Salazar innings limited and the other two struggling currently, it seems to me an opportunity for DK to at least get an opportunity to fill Kluber's slot. If this current iteration of Dice K where to translate to the big league club, I could see the FO wanting to retain him at least for '14 if not '15 as well.



First, Myers wasn't brought in just to be a veteran pitcher, he was brought in because he was seen as an upgrade over some other potential guys in the rotation. Next you will have Kazmir (hopefully) and Masterson as you're vet pitchers if you really need them

Dice-K isn't pitching anywhere near as well as he should be vs a bunch of guys who are AAAA type guys, i expect someone with over 100 Major league starts to have alot more Ks, about half the ERA he does and pitch alot deeper into games

theres no realistic way he's a significant part of the plans going forward, just not anywhere close to being good enough.
ASUTribefan
Rookie Baller
 
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:47 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:36 pm

I could see Dice-K being brought back on another minor league deal....that is if he doesn't decide enough with the majors and heads back to Japan. Would be a nice vet/backup option like he could be here in the next few weeks.

As far as Myers...he was definitely brought in as a veteran arm. Guy didn't even start all of 2012 and in 2011 his ERA was only 4.46 in the NL. Simply put, he was brought in as a vet guy to help offset the young guys we were potentially running out there (McAllister, Carrasco, Bauer, Kluber).
Hermie13
MLB All Star
 
Posts: 7120
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:34 am
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby A.Zajac » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:46 pm

Me personally... I don't think they'll bring up Carrasco because he'll be out of options. So I don't think we'll see him again until next year when we have to make a decision on him. Bauer has been erratic (that's putting it lightly) and if we're in the race, I'm not sure they'll feel comfortable relying on Bauer. Salazar, IMO, will stay up here until he reaches his innings limit, but I do believe there's a chance Dice-K could make a few appearances in Cleveland. Plus, he'll be pitching for his next contract. And to be honest, Dice-K hasn't been pitching too bad of late. He got off to a dreadful start, but he's rebounded somewhat nicely since.
Follow me on Twitter!
@AndrewIPI
User avatar
A.Zajac
Triple-A Stud
 
Posts: 3133
Joined: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:31 am
Location: Struthers, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby ASUTribefan » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:48 pm

Hermie13 wrote:I could see Dice-K being brought back on another minor league deal....that is if he doesn't decide enough with the majors and heads back to Japan. Would be a nice vet/backup option like he could be here in the next few weeks.

As far as Myers...he was definitely brought in as a veteran arm. Guy didn't even start all of 2012 and in 2011 his ERA was only 4.46 in the NL. Simply put, he was brought in as a vet guy to help offset the young guys we were potentially running out there (McAllister, Carrasco, Bauer, Kluber).



Nope 100% Wrong.
ASUTribefan
Rookie Baller
 
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:47 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:54 pm

A.Zajac wrote:Well either we find a starter via waivers, ride Salazar for a little while and/or call up Dice K.


I still think Carrasco could get a look. Unfortunately not much out there in terms of starters on the waiver wire, at least not yet. Sounds like Ted Lilly could still be had but would rather go with Carrasco, Dice-K or Bauer over him at this point. Phil Hughes would be an interesting option if the Yanks put him on waivers. Find it hard to imagine they are planning a qualfying offer for him so they may want to get something for him now. On the year has a poor 4.87 ERA; however, he has a 3.87 ERA away from Yankee Stadium in 10 starts this year. Yanks may still ask for too much for him though. Maybe Joe Saunders? Ugly WHIP but worked out well for the O's last year when dealt around this time.


A really crazy option could be to try and go after Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez should his deal with the Phillies fall thru as some rumors are suggesting. Would be a bit of a knee-jerk reaction but if you felt he was worth it he could potentially help this September and next year (taking Ubaldo's place?). That's sort of a hail mary option at best though.

Also think John Danks deserves a mention as there were rumors he could be had this summer. Big salary left (nearly $43M from 2014-2016)...has had arm issues but still only 28 (will be 31 when deal expires). Another long-shot for a few reasons but a guy that I could see put on the waiver wire.
Hermie13
MLB All Star
 
Posts: 7120
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:34 am
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:57 pm

A.Zajac wrote:Me personally... I don't think they'll bring up Carrasco because he'll be out of options. So I don't think we'll see him again until next year when we have to make a decision on him. Bauer has been erratic (that's putting it lightly) and if we're in the race, I'm not sure they'll feel comfortable relying on Bauer. Salazar, IMO, will stay up here until he reaches his innings limit, but I do believe there's a chance Dice-K could make a few appearances in Cleveland. Plus, he'll be pitching for his next contract. And to be honest, Dice-K hasn't been pitching too bad of late. He got off to a dreadful start, but he's rebounded somewhat nicely since.


I don't think the options will be a reason not to call Carrasco up...if anything I think him being out of options next year as a reason to try him up.

Agree on Dice-K though. Has been pitching very well lately and of course there is the Francona connection, may feel more comfortable giving him a shot than a younger guy.
Hermie13
MLB All Star
 
Posts: 7120
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:34 am
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:18 pm

hmm.. musings on what's looking more and more like a must win Wednesday evening game between the Indians and the Tigers...

Last year, Fister was an absolute PITA to the Indians in 2012. Every start he made, he seemed to befuddle the Tribe batsmen. Then, this year, he's had one start and absolutely stunk it up...The Indians battered him around for six runs in six innings.. A repeat performance is desperately needed.. It would go a long way toward believing the Indians can still mount a challenge in the division..

Now, onto the alleged innings limit for Danny Salazar. It's been more than three years since the TJ surgery (after 32 innings at Lake County in 2010). There is only one quote from the Indians that specifically mentions the existence of an inning limit concern:

..“[The limit on his innings this season] has not yet been determined,” Indians farm director Ross Atkins said. “We have hopefully managed it well enough on the front end to create some flexibility for us moving forward...


Which indicates that the remaining 7 weeks of the season or about 8 or 9 starts could be Salazar's provided he remains strong and effective..This would be in line with the rule of thumb convention of innings limit for most youngsters 25 and under. This convention says the maximum increase in innings pitched from one season the next should never be more than double. Danny Salazar pitched 87.2 innings in 2012.. double that and you'd arrive at around 175.. with 8 or 9 starts.. this would keep him well under that number...

Inre DiceK: he sells tickets for whatever minor league club he's pitching for and where he belongs. He's not a ML level pitcher & he hasn't been for quite some time.. He won't be a stop gap SP for the Indians or anyone. He doesn't get a SHOT over a younger guy (that younger guy might be Carrasco or Bauer or even Packer to reward him on his good season). I'm sure DiceK's seeing the writing on the wall. There is no other major league club that's going to see him and want to give him a contract.. This will be his last season in professional baseball in the United States..

2 runs... 1 run... It doesn't matter how good your pitching is when you score one or two runs.. You're going to lose more games than you win.. every night or pretty close to it. If the Indians don't score 5 or 7 runs tonight, off this guy, then expect another L...
GeronimoSon
MLB Rookie
 
Posts: 3904
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:17 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby nubballguy » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:28 pm

Hermie13 wrote:
A.Zajac wrote:Me personally... I don't think they'll bring up Carrasco because he'll be out of options. So I don't think we'll see him again until next year when we have to make a decision on him. Bauer has been erratic (that's putting it lightly) and if we're in the race, I'm not sure they'll feel comfortable relying on Bauer. Salazar, IMO, will stay up here until he reaches his innings limit, but I do believe there's a chance Dice-K could make a few appearances in Cleveland. Plus, he'll be pitching for his next contract. And to be honest, Dice-K hasn't been pitching too bad of late. He got off to a dreadful start, but he's rebounded somewhat nicely since.


I don't think the options will be a reason not to call Carrasco up...if anything I think him being out of options next year as a reason to try him up.

Agree on Dice-K though. Has been pitching very well lately and of course there is the Francona connection, may feel more comfortable giving him a shot than a younger guy.


Yes, forgot to mention the Francona connection as well as a potential factor in a call-up of Dice-K.

I'm glad to see Hermie and AZ see the possibility that Matzusaka might get a shot here. Whether he succeeds or not, I'm really not sure at all, just wanted to point out that he's been trending up after a very poor start to an effective starter in Cbus recently while the guys ahead of him have either faltered or are physically unable to take the spot that opened up with Kluber's injury so wanted to explore that possibility. To me, he's pitched himself into an intriguing option.

As for the future, it all depends on how he does the rest of this year. If he shows something to Tito and the FO, he'll be a cost effective option over someone like UJ, best case. Worst case, he fails and goes back to Japan.
nubballguy
Draft Prospect
 
Posts: 120
Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:39 am

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby nubballguy » Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:23 pm

Gson, I think your analysis is flawed on Salazar's innings limitations. I just think your starting supposition is incorrect. My guess is a limit of around 130 innings. With about 100 under his belt going into tonight's start, I think he's got around 4 starts left on the season. Unless they convert some of those innings into the pen. Which I kind of think is unlikely. But not impossible.

If DiceK has another effective outing for Columbus his next time out, I think the chances of him being a stopgap become even more likely. Just my hunch.
nubballguy
Draft Prospect
 
Posts: 120
Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:39 am

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby Bearcatbob » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:31 pm

The experiment with ACab in the 4 hole MUST end!
Bearcatbob
Single-A Phenom
 
Posts: 597
Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:10 am

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby ASUTribefan » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:27 pm

Francona needs to let someone else handle pitchers, he just has no clue. im not surprised he makes another terrible choice and hey look we blew another late game lead! Francona has been such an idiot with late game pitching situations this year its easilly cost us 10
ASUTribefan
Rookie Baller
 
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:47 pm

Re: Official 2013 Cleveland Indians game thread

Postby ASUTribefan » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:28 pm

Bearcatbob wrote:The experiment with ACab in the 4 hole MUST end!


the ACab experiment must end period. he's a terrible hitter this year . his OBP dropped under .300 his BA is going to drop under .240 and he's only getting 2 HRs a month! its Lindor time
ASUTribefan
Rookie Baller
 
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:47 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Beyond The Minors

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest