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2012 Rule V Draft

Postby Edible14 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:14 am

So I'm looking at the 40 man roster, and I think there's lots of room to be cutting people, but I'm not entirely sure who needs to be added. There are currently 44 players on the roster (4 on the 60 day DL, but there's lots of free space coming)

Current roster:
C - Carlos Santana
C - Lou Marson
C/IF - Yan Gomes Added via trade
DH - Travis Hafner - Free agent, possible he comes back on a cheaper contract - Gone
IF - Cord Phelps
IF/OF - Matt LaPorta - Out of options, could be DFA'd - DFA'd, back to CBus
1B - Casey Kotchman - Free agent, probably gone
1B - Mike McDade Claimed off waivers
1B - Chris McGuiness added via Rule V
2B - Jason Kipnis
3B - Jack Hannahan - Possible non-tender candidate Gone
IF - Jason Donald
IF - Juan Diaz - Possible DFA
IF - Mike Aviles - Added via trade
3B - Lonnie Chisenhall
IF/OF - Russ Canzler - Possible DFA
SS - Asdrubal Cabrera
1B - Lars Anderson - Possible DFA, but likely stays on until at least spring training
DL - Grady Sizemore - Free agent, needs to go Gone
OF - Vinny Rottino - See Lars Anderson - DFA'd and outrighted
UT - Brent Lillibridge - Possible non-tender DFA'd
*OF - Shelley Duncan - Possible non-tender (DFA'd)
OF - Shin-Soo Choo - Possible trade, but since a trade of him should net at least 1 40 man rostered person, will leave him be
OF - Ezequiel Carrera
OF - Michael Brantley
OF - Thomas Neal
OF - Tim Fedroff - Added
P - Josh Tomlin - Will be kept on most likely, and put on the 60 day DL as soon as the season starts
P - Joe Smith - Trade candidate
P - Kevin Slowey - Possible DFA - Outrighted
P - Tony Sipp
P - Chris Seddon - Possible DFA
P - Danny Salazar
P - Esmil Rogers Traded
P - Vinnie Pestano
P - Rafael Perez - Possible non-tender
P - Chris Perez - See Choo
P - Zach McAllister
P - Justin Masterson
P - Fabio Martinez - Possible DFA DFA'd, indeed
P - Corey Kluber
P - Ubaldo Jimenez - Possible free agent
P - David Huff - Possible DFA, out of options
P - Frank Herrmann - Possible DFA, other relievers have passed him
P - Roberto Hernandez - Possible free agent Gone
P - Nick Hagadone
P - Jeanmar Gomez - Possible DFA, out of options, likely gets a rotation spot next year
P - Carlos Carrasco
P - Scott Barnes
P - Cody Allen
P - John Maine - DFA'd, claimed by Toronto
P - Blake Wood (added via waiver claim)
P - CC Lee - Added
P- Trey Haley Added
P - TJ House Added

Guys to consider adding:
Elvis Araujo
Austin Adams
CC Lee
Matt Packer
TJ House
Trey Haley
Loek Van Mill
Tyler Sturdevant
TJ McFarland
Jesus Aguilar
Jared Goedert
Chun Chen
Jeremie Tice
Nick Weglarz
Tim Fedroff

I'm not seeing any "locks" on that list, as all of them have some significant concerns. The hitters are especially lackluster, I've only included Weglarz/Goedert because there's really no better options to be added amongst hitters. But honestly, since those guys have already cleared waivers once, it's unlikely they'll need to be added now. There's 44 people on the roster right now (40 on the 60 day DL). Here's where I cut/add

Let walk to free agency: Sizemore, Kotchman, Jimenez, Hafner (but bring him back on the cheap if possible)
Non-tender: Hannahan, Duncan, Lillibridge
DFA: Huff, Slowey, LaPorta, Seddon
Add (4 spots open, not including Hafner): Aguilar, 3 of the above pitchers
And the rest of the guys who are on the fringe (Fabio, Herrman, Anderson, Rottino) are in danger of being cut for free agent signings.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby MadThinker88 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:27 pm

You don't DFA Juan Diaz at this point. If you want to see what ACab could bring back in a deal, you can't also be looking for a major league ready SS as well.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby Edible14 » Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:47 am

MadThinker88 wrote:You don't DFA Juan Diaz at this point. If you want to see what ACab could bring back in a deal, you can't also be looking for a major league ready SS as well.


I don't think you DFA him either, but he's a guy that was controversial to add in the first place and didn't impress anyone this year at Akron/Columbus. I think he'll at least be a guy that people on here will discuss as a DFA candidate, even if I don't think he'll actually be DFA'd.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby homerawayfromhome » Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:37 am

I think Slowey will be gone unless he is a minor league FA than the Tribe would likely stow him away at Columbus as more depth.
I would agree that at one point Diaz looked like he was a potential DFA. However Diaz has made some progress this yr with his bat and with the potential to move ACab for a solid return there is possibility that Diaz becomes the near and short-term future at SS at least until one of RRod, Wolters, Lindor, Paulino appear from the minors.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:04 am

About a 20 % turnover would seem likely.... with the current 40 man roster, there will be:

For Pitchers: 3 New Spots Open
Keeper's: Cody Allen RP, Scott Barnes* SP/RP, Carlos Carrasco SP, Nick Hagadone RP, Roberto Hernandez SP, Ubaldo Jimenez SP, Justin Masterson SP, Zach McAllister SP, Chris Perez RP, Vinnie Pestano RP, Esmil Rogers RP, Danny Salazar* RP, Tony Sipp RP, Joe Smith RP
Maybe's: JeanMar Gomez SP, Frank Herrmann RP, Corey Kluber SP/RP,, Chris Seddon RP, Fabio Martinez SP/RP
Departing: David Huff SP, Kevin Slowey SP, Rafael Perez RP

For Position Players: 6 New Spots Open
Keeper's: Lou Marson C, Carlos Santana C, Asdrubal Cabrera SS, Lonnie Chisenhall 3B, Juan Diaz* SS, Jason Donald Ut, Jason Kipnis 2B, Michael Brantley OF, Ezequiel Carrera OF, Shin-soo Choo OF,
Maybe's: Lars Anderson* 1B, Matt LaPorta LF/1B, Cord Phelps* 2B, Brett Lillibridge Ut
Departing: Jack Hannahan 3B, Casey Kotchman 1B, Shelley Duncan OF, Vinny Rottino OF, Grady Sizemore OF, Travis Hafner DH.

This amounts to nine players departing from the current forty man roster... that's about what should be expected..
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby Rocky55 » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:08 am

homerawayfromhome wrote:I think Slowey will be gone unless he is a minor league FA than the Tribe would likely stow him away at Columbus as more depth.
I would agree that at one point Diaz looked like he was a potential DFA. However Diaz has made some progress this yr with his bat and with the potential to move ACab for a solid return there is possibility that Diaz becomes the near and short-term future at SS at least until one of RRod, Wolters, Lindor, Paulino appear from the minors.

+1

Diaz is also your insurance if Asdrubal spends any extended time on the DL. Lilibridge/Donald starting at SS for more than a couple of games would be ugly.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby homerawayfromhome » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:28 am

Geronimo Son I'd agree with those roster changes, but throw out I still think there is real possibility the Tribe lets Hernanadez and maybe Jimenez walk. Especially if the Tribe could bring back a young SP or 2 if they make some deals as we all expect.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby daingean » Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:47 pm

GeronimoSon wrote:About a 20 % turnover would seem likely.... with the current 40 man roster, there will be:

For Pitchers: 3 New Spots Open
Keeper's: Cody Allen RP, Scott Barnes* SP/RP, Carlos Carrasco SP, Nick Hagadone RP, Roberto Hernandez SP, Ubaldo Jimenez SP, Justin Masterson SP, Zach McAllister SP, Chris Perez RP, Vinnie Pestano RP, Esmil Rogers RP, Danny Salazar* RP, Tony Sipp RP, Joe Smith RP
Maybe's: JeanMar Gomez SP, Frank Herrmann RP, Corey Kluber SP/RP,, Chris Seddon RP, Fabio Martinez SP/RP
Departing: David Huff SP, Kevin Slowey SP, Rafael Perez RP

For Position Players: 6 New Spots Open
Keeper's: Lou Marson C, Carlos Santana C, Asdrubal Cabrera SS, Lonnie Chisenhall 3B, Juan Diaz* SS, Jason Donald Ut, Jason Kipnis 2B, Michael Brantley OF, Ezequiel Carrera OF, Shin-soo Choo OF,
Maybe's: Lars Anderson* 1B, Matt LaPorta LF/1B, Cord Phelps* 2B, Brett Lillibridge Ut
Departing: Jack Hannahan 3B, Casey Kotchman 1B, Shelley Duncan OF, Vinny Rottino OF, Grady Sizemore OF, Travis Hafner DH.

This amounts to nine players departing from the current forty man roster... that's about what should be expected..


sending those 9 packing opens 7 spots on the 40. I also do not think that all three of F-Bob, Ubaldo, and Slowey are carried. If both F-Bob and Ubaldo are jettisoned then I think Slowey is kept.

I also think that J.Smith is part of a deal involving either C-Perez or Choo to upgrade the return (i.e. upgrade a third prospect from org. filler to almost ML ready top 30 spec). I don't see Smith returning enough to trade him on his own but as an added piece he could upgrade one of the specs. Same could be said of Cord Phelps and R.Perez.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby Edible14 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:09 am

Everything is updated so you can see just how the roster has changed.

So... I'm thinking Sturdevant, Adams and Packer are likely the only guys who might get taken in the draft. Would not be surprised if nobody is picked.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby homerawayfromhome » Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:09 am

The rule 5 draft always causes a stir and some roster movement. The Tribe still has some fat it could trim if it decided to go after a player or they could go another route and grab someone and then flip them to another team for a minor leaguer as we've seen other teams do in the past. There are on occasion some decent pieces that can be found through the rule 5 draft and something I think the Tribe should keep an open approach to. At this time the Tribe has a full roster, plus one in fact because of the Nick Hagadone situation. I'm not sure if / when he has to be reinstated but I'd expect that he will remain on the list as long as possible to provide the team roster flexibility.

You never really know what other teams are thinking sometimes a classic example of Jose Flores being picked second overall a yr or two ago. That said while it seems unlikely anyone from the Tribe is picked I throw out one name who has potential and who could garner some attention although Its doubtful...Elvis Arajuo. He's got the size and the FB but hasn't pitched above A ball. Although he's a guy I could see a team try to grab and workin as a LOOGY in their bullpen (DOUBTFUL) or (MORE LIKELY) draft and try to keep via trade ie: Willy Taveras.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby GeronimoSon » Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:04 pm

The Rule V draft has at it's allure the next Johan Santana, but, the reality is, guys who are 'taken' in Rule V almost always fail with their new clubs... The list of MiLB FA's that might be of interest to the Indians could be anyone of six guys. Before roster manipulations began in earnest last week, it looked like there was one specific target the Indians could have been interested in, Michael Ynoa.. He was added to the A's 40 man roster, so, that's no longer the case. Other names that might be of interest include:

Reds: Andrew Brackman
Tigers: Kelvin de la Cruz
Pitt: Daniel McCutchen
StL: Luis de la Cruz
Tx: Aaron Heilman
Az Dbax: Josh Bell
Nats: Mike MacDougal
M's: Johermyn Chavez

Of these "names", none are worth more than a slightly casual interest: Brackman because 95 MPH fastballs don't come around that often, KdlC becaue he's an old friend, D-Mac, because he has shown promise out of the pen, Luis de la Cruz because he brings his catching skills and knowledge at such a young age, Aaron Heilman because there may be something left in the tank, Josh Bell because he's a switch hitting corner IF'er that has shown stretches in the minors where he can absolutely dominate, Mike MacDougal for the same reasons Aaron Heilman is considered and Johermyn Chavez because he has a cool name..

At the end of the day, with what could be considered a littany of nobodies, Luis de la Cruz or Josh Bell could be added and kept around for a while before being sent back or having a trade arranged that allows them to stay. None of these guys have much of a chance to impact the Indians roster anytime soon...
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby Hermie13 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:11 pm

Edible14 wrote:Everything is updated so you can see just how the roster has changed.

So... I'm thinking Sturdevant, Adams and Packer are likely the only guys who might get taken in the draft. Would not be surprised if nobody is picked.


I'm not overly worried about the Rule 5 this year but do think a guy like McFarland could potentially be grabbed. Think he could stick as a long-man/lefty out of a pen. Not the type of power arm we typically see taken but think he could be someone's Aaron Laffey as that 12th pitcher on a roster.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby MadThinker88 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:28 pm

I think the Indians need an open 40 man in order to draft someone and I don't believe they have an opening.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby daingean » Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:33 pm

MadThinker88 wrote:I think the Indians need an open 40 man in order to draft someone and I don't believe they have an opening.


They do not have one at the moment. They could dfa or non-tender a player (i.e. Hannahan) to open up a spot. They also could DFA a guy directly after drafting a player (I think). I believe the only glimpse of them showing their hand would be in the next few days by DFA'ing a player or non-tendering one.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby TonyIBI » Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:48 pm

Have to have space before the draft. Can't draft and then create space.

Also, I would have to think a Hannahan non-tender is coming before the deadline on Friday night.

I still think they have kept him around to try and trade him but also to have him as a backup plan if they make a trade.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby homerawayfromhome » Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:08 pm

Here's Mayo's top 20 prospects for the rule 5 draft...

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/ipad/

Besides Jesus Aguilar being listed as a top 20 prospect available here's a few other names I think the Tribe could / should consider...
Tim Crabbe
Destin Hood
Jarret Martin
Carlos Perez
Blake Smith
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby Edible14 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:35 pm

homerawayfromhome wrote:Here's Mayo's top 20 prospects for the rule 5 draft...

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/ipad/

Besides Jesus Aguilar being listed as a top 20 prospect available here's a few other names I think the Tribe could / should consider...
Tim Crabbe
Destin Hood
Jarret Martin
Carlos Perez
Blake Smith


I would be surprised if the Indians took a pitcher. Rule V pitchers are generally relievers, and we have plenty of those both in the majors and in the pipeline. Hood and Smith are interesting, especially if they end up trading Choo. They'd have a chance to stick as well, as they'd be up against Carerra, Neal and Fedroff, none of which are anything resembling a lock to make the team. If Choo is gone, it's easy enough to imagine Zeke getting a starting spot, with Hood/Smith getting the bench spot and perhaps some platoon work.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby homerawayfromhome » Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:21 pm

I think the Tribe could go after these guys and try to acq. them via trade as to be able to 'finish the product' so to speak. Like the Braves and Twins did a few yrs back for Scott Diamond. Hood and Smith could offer something the Tribe lacks in upper level (AA / AAA) talent in the OF.

As for the pitching Crabbe would be soft tossing BOR RHSP type. Martin is a hard tossing LHSP (hits 97) with wild tendencies. Perez is only 21 and would require a huge jump from A ball, maybe as a hard tossing (hits 95) LOOGY but again, thinking outside the box the Tribe could make a pk and then try to acq. the player via trade. Could be a creative way to use some of that bullpen depth in the upper levels.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby GoTribe028 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:05 pm

homerawayfromhome wrote:I think the Tribe could go after these guys and try to acq. them via trade as to be able to 'finish the product' so to speak. Like the Braves and Twins did a few yrs back for Scott Diamond. Hood and Smith could offer something the Tribe lacks in upper level (AA / AAA) talent in the OF.

As for the pitching Crabbe would be soft tossing BOR RHSP type. Martin is a hard tossing LHSP (hits 97) with wild tendencies. Perez is only 21 and would require a huge jump from A ball, maybe as a hard tossing (hits 95) LOOGY but again, thinking outside the box the Tribe could make a pk and then try to acq. the player via trade. Could be a creative way to use some of that bullpen depth in the upper levels.


Destin Hood has intriguing tools but not sure he is worth a spot on the 25 right now let alone the 40. Nate Freiman would also be interesting had the Indians not claimed Mike McDade
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby homerawayfromhome » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:26 pm

What I'm really getting at is the Tribe could snag one of these guys and then acq. their rights. They have dearth of talent in the upper levels and a cpl of these guys are worth a look, but aren't finished products yet by any means.

Destin Hood 22, is a talented OF, and the Nats have a pretty deep org. he'd be one of my favorite targets. Hood was a former 2nd rd pk but his numbers were ugly somewhat last yr but struggled through a leg / groin injury. He's a RH bat corner OF and some scouts believe he's potentially a 20 / 20 guy. Sounds pretty interesting as he's also the 8th rated prospect in the Nats org.

Blake Smith 25, bounced back last season after struggling through 2011 with injuries. Smith like Hood is a former 2nd rd pk that can man a corner OF spot. Smith is a former pitcher with a strong arm he won't hit for high avg. but could provide some pop off the bench.

I'm not sure the Tribe looks to make a pk in the Rule 5 but both of these guys would add a young corner OF to the system. Hood has more upside than Smith, but Smith could be ready to help sooner. Frankly, I don't see the making a move for a rule 5 pk like this unless they try to acq. them via trade.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby GeronimoSon » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:36 pm

Rule V is typically a waste of time.. and it should be for the Indians this year. There is nobody that stands out as some kind of panacea for what ails the club. Rule V drafts should be discontinued with the minor league players who are let go, not being permitted to be drafted or signed by any recognized club within the sphere of MLB. Go play in Japan where the player's value can be confirmed or renewed.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby homerawayfromhome » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:11 am

While I agree the rule 5 is typically a waste of time there are some worth while low risk kids available for a team that is devoid of upper level minor talent. What I'm really getting at here is the Tribe could snag a guy and simply try to acq. him via trade. Destin Hood would be the ideal candidate. Hood 22, is a RH corner OF with somewhat of a prospect pedigree. Hood is the Nats number 8 prospect and is viewed as a potential everyday corner OF with 20 / 20 potential. The Tribe could try to snag a guy like him and then flip the Nats a guy like Cord Phelps or maybe a bullpen arm Matt Langwell or Preston Guilmet would get it done. The Tribe would then be able to try to finish off his development at the minor league level.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby homerawayfromhome » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:41 am

Mere speculation here but I think the Tribe loses Jesus Aguilar today in the draft. Thats probably highly unlikely, but you never know. Also guessing the Tribe makes a pk in the draft and either keeps the player by trade or they draft and then trade the player to another team.

I know 1b is an unlikely pk but his power potential makes a team like the Astros take a gamble on him.

Personally, I'd like to see the Tribe land an OF like Destin Hood and acq. him through trade. Also, I think it's possible the Tribe tries to snag a lefty pen arm like Jarrett Martin, Carlos Perez or John Keck. Just seems teams are looking at filling these Loogy roles with cheap, alternative ways ie the rule 5 prime example Lucas Luetege of the Mariners last yr. Another arm I think the Tribe should have interest in is Red Sox righty Ryan Pressly. Pressly is a coverted SP but has a nice FB and curve. The Tribe has a ton of depth in the pen but the Tribe could move a few arms via trade in the coming days.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby GeronimoSon » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:57 am

homerawayfromhome wrote:Mere speculation here but I think the Tribe loses Jesus Aguilar today in the draft. Thats probably highly unlikely, but you never know. Also guessing the Tribe makes a pk in the draft and either keeps the player by trade or they draft and then trade the player to another team.

I know 1b is an unlikely pk but his power potential makes a team like the Astros take a gamble on him.

Personally, I'd like to see the Tribe land an OF like Destin Hood and acq. him through trade. Also, I think it's possible the Tribe tries to snag a lefty pen arm like Jarrett Martin, Carlos Perez or John Keck. Just seems teams are looking at filling these Loogy roles with cheap, alternative ways ie the rule 5 prime example Lucas Luetege of the Mariners last yr. Another arm I think the Tribe should have interest in is Red Sox righty Ryan Pressly. Pressly is a coverted SP but has a nice FB and curve. The Tribe has a ton of depth in the pen but the Tribe could move a few arms via trade in the coming days.


The only player that seems to be getting any buzz about this time honored relic (Rule V Draft) is that Simmons guy from the A's. He has the pedigree, has pitched in the upper level(s) of MiLB and had a nice showing in the fall. He could, at the very least hang in someone's pen for a year.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby homerawayfromhome » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:10 am

Braly Lara a P from the Rays is rumored to go 1. He hits 100 mph regularly, I'm guessing he's a pen arm. I've heard of him but know little honestly.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby GoTribe028 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:04 am

Cubs took Rondon
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby GoTribe028 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:06 am

@johnmanuelba: Ryan Pressley, RHP to #Twins, fastball up to 95 at times; Chris McGuinness to Indians, Alfredo Silverio to Miami

Chris McGuinness, 1B Texas picked 5th overall by Cleveland
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby daingean » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:09 am

GoTribe028 wrote:@johnmanuelba: Ryan Pressley, RHP to #Twins, fastball up to 95 at times; Chris McGuinness to Indians, Alfredo Silverio to Miami


Sounds like the makings of a Battle Royale come spring training for 1B/DH with LaPorta, Anderson, McGuinness, Canzler, McDade and anyone else.

EDIT: added McDade
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby GoTribe028 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:13 am

TJ McFarland taken by Baltimore

Here's a little write up for MCGuinness

http://soxprospects.com/players/mcguiness-chris.htm
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby Hermie13 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:03 pm

GoTribe028 wrote:TJ McFarland taken by Baltimore

Here's a little write up for MCGuinness

http://soxprospects.com/players/mcguiness-chris.htm


I'm disappointed we lost McFarland. Know his stuff isn't great but think he could become a decent middle releiver/lefty out of the pen. Spot starter if the need arises. Solid pick by the O's IMO.

McGuiness had a very nice season at AA, good OBP and 20+ HRs and doubles. Another lefty though and a 1B only. Surprised by that pick.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby Edible14 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:41 pm

GoTribe028 wrote:Cubs took Rondon


This actually is greatly disappointing to me. I know his star has faded, but he's a guy I thought was worth a look this year to see if he could get back to form. Good pickup for the Cubs. They can stash him on the DL, have him do a rehab assignment in AAA and then bring him on as a pen option late in the year.

Not sure I like the McGuiness pick. He's just another name to add to the pile at 1B, and if they're serious about signing Youikilis/Reynolds, seems like he'll just end up going back. I guess he's an okay name to throw on the pile with Anderson, McDade, LaPorta and Canzler: that's an okay group to choose from if you don't end up signing someone to play 1B. I tend not to think much of power hitters who strike out a ton in the minors, especially ones that are older than the leagues they play in. His 24 year old season last year was his first in AA. Scouting report says he's a patient hitter, which is good news.

Curious that the Indians didn't take a flier on Destin Hood (and that nobody else did). Wonder what the story is there.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby Hermie13 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:15 pm

Edible14 wrote:
GoTribe028 wrote:Cubs took Rondon


This actually is greatly disappointing to me. I know his star has faded, but he's a guy I thought was worth a look this year to see if he could get back to form. Good pickup for the Cubs. They can stash him on the DL, have him do a rehab assignment in AAA and then bring him on as a pen option late in the year.

Not sure I like the McGuiness pick. He's just another name to add to the pile at 1B, and if they're serious about signing Youikilis/Reynolds, seems like he'll just end up going back. I guess he's an okay name to throw on the pile with Anderson, McDade, LaPorta and Canzler: that's an okay group to choose from if you don't end up signing someone to play 1B. I tend not to think much of power hitters who strike out a ton in the minors, especially ones that are older than the leagues they play in. His 24 year old season last year was his first in AA. Scouting report says he's a patient hitter, which is good news.

Curious that the Indians didn't take a flier on Destin Hood (and that nobody else did). Wonder what the story is there.


Curious pick for me too, though one thing I think some people overlook (especially the Tribe sportswriters) is that Anderson, Canzler, and LaPorta all can play the OF in addition to 1B so even with a guy like McGuinness in tow and/or a Reynolds/Youk signing, there could be ABs/playing time for a guy like Anderson/Canzler. Plus the DH spot is open as well.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby Edible14 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:07 pm

Hermie13 wrote:Curious pick for me too, though one thing I think some people overlook (especially the Tribe sportswriters) is that Anderson, Canzler, and LaPorta all can play the OF in addition to 1B so even with a guy like McGuinness in tow and/or a Reynolds/Youk signing, there could be ABs/playing time for a guy like Anderson/Canzler. Plus the DH spot is open as well.


Right, but if anything that makes McGuiness less valuable than those guys.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby homerawayfromhome » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:57 pm

Hood struggled through last season largely due to injuries, can't remember exactly what it was but a cpl nagging injuries. Nothing major though. He's got a ton of talent but has to produce, he's not ready yet and should start this season in AA. That's partof the reason I said Tribe could pk him and then try to acq. him via trade.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby Hermie13 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:21 pm

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Hermie13 wrote:Curious pick for me too, though one thing I think some people overlook (especially the Tribe sportswriters) is that Anderson, Canzler, and LaPorta all can play the OF in addition to 1B so even with a guy like McGuinness in tow and/or a Reynolds/Youk signing, there could be ABs/playing time for a guy like Anderson/Canzler. Plus the DH spot is open as well.


Right, but if anything that makes McGuiness less valuable than those guys.


Less value if he can't win a starting job I agree with. Just seems like I'm reading everywhere that we have all these guys for 1B, but really we have all these guys for LF, 1B, and DH at the moment. If the season started today, I think you could see 2 of Anderson, Canzler, McGuiness, and McDade starting and at least one of the others if not both on the bench. Obviously a long way to go though this winter.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby criznit2009 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:22 pm

Hermie13 wrote:
Edible14 wrote:
Hermie13 wrote:Curious pick for me too, though one thing I think some people overlook (especially the Tribe sportswriters) is that Anderson, Canzler, and LaPorta all can play the OF in addition to 1B so even with a guy like McGuinness in tow and/or a Reynolds/Youk signing, there could be ABs/playing time for a guy like Anderson/Canzler. Plus the DH spot is open as well.


Right, but if anything that makes McGuiness less valuable than those guys.


Less value if he can't win a starting job I agree with. Just seems like I'm reading everywhere that we have all these guys for 1B, but really we have all these guys for LF, 1B, and DH at the moment. If the season started today, I think you could see 2 of Anderson, Canzler, McGuiness, and McDade starting and at least one of the others if not both on the bench. Obviously a long way to go though this winter.


Don't forget Gomes - though he should and will be considered a catcher - he is yet another 1st base option
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby homerawayfromhome » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:44 am

Gomes is very athletic, I'm not sure if any one else has saw this guy play but I have been impressed by his hustle. He's got some good power too, I'm not sure he's more than a backup but he's a nice commodity to have around bc he could man C, 1b, 3b, DH, LF and maybe a few games in RF too. He's got a good arm too, just a good player but not a huge talent nice guy to have around to fill out a bench though.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby GoTribe028 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:26 pm

Hermie13 wrote:
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Hermie13 wrote:Curious pick for me too, though one thing I think some people overlook (especially the Tribe sportswriters) is that Anderson, Canzler, and LaPorta all can play the OF in addition to 1B so even with a guy like McGuinness in tow and/or a Reynolds/Youk signing, there could be ABs/playing time for a guy like Anderson/Canzler. Plus the DH spot is open as well.


Right, but if anything that makes McGuiness less valuable than those guys.


Less value if he can't win a starting job I agree with. Just seems like I'm reading everywhere that we have all these guys for 1B, but really we have all these guys for LF, 1B, and DH at the moment. If the season started today, I think you could see 2 of Anderson, Canzler, McGuiness, and McDade starting and at least one of the others if not both on the bench. Obviously a long way to go though this winter.


Those 4 would probably be ok to have in the mix if this were a clear complete rebuilding project, which the Indians appear to be against. If they are the best options going into the 2013 season then it will be a complete fail on the Indians part. In the end I do believe they'll bring in a legit option for 1st.

What I don't get is with Anderson (lefty), Canzler (righty), and McDade (switch) you pretty much have yourself covered as far as depth/bench or even platoon options go. Put LaPorta in that group is you like. McGuiness just underwhelms me I guess.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby Hermie13 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:05 pm

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Hermie13 wrote:
Edible14 wrote:
Hermie13 wrote:Curious pick for me too, though one thing I think some people overlook (especially the Tribe sportswriters) is that Anderson, Canzler, and LaPorta all can play the OF in addition to 1B so even with a guy like McGuinness in tow and/or a Reynolds/Youk signing, there could be ABs/playing time for a guy like Anderson/Canzler. Plus the DH spot is open as well.


Right, but if anything that makes McGuiness less valuable than those guys.


Less value if he can't win a starting job I agree with. Just seems like I'm reading everywhere that we have all these guys for 1B, but really we have all these guys for LF, 1B, and DH at the moment. If the season started today, I think you could see 2 of Anderson, Canzler, McGuiness, and McDade starting and at least one of the others if not both on the bench. Obviously a long way to go though this winter.


Those 4 would probably be ok to have in the mix if this were a clear complete rebuilding project, which the Indians appear to be against. If they are the best options going into the 2013 season then it will be a complete fail on the Indians part. In the end I do believe they'll bring in a legit option for 1st.

What I don't get is with Anderson (lefty), Canzler (righty), and McDade (switch) you pretty much have yourself covered as far as depth/bench or even platoon options go. Put LaPorta in that group is you like. McGuiness just underwhelms me I guess.


I agree that we'll likely see some kind of 1B brought in. Still could leave LF and DH open for 2 of Canzler, Anderson, McDade, and McGuiness. LaPorta could be in there but may not be ready by opening day after the hip surgery. Plus I think even if he is healthy he is down the list and will need to pull an Andy Marte of sorts and hit so well in AAA that he forces the Tribe to take another look. McDade has an option left and think Anderson does too as well?


Also...I'm reaching here and pure speculation, but I wonder if in all those 3, 4 and 5 team trade scenarios if McGuiness's name didn't possibly come up ever? Say maybe a 3 team deal with the Rangers, D'backs and Indians does happen in the next moenth or so, maybe part of it is the Tribe gets to keep McGuiness? Would allow them to see him at AAA then. Again, that's just me reaching for a better undrestanding of the pickup so don't take that as anything real, again, pure speculation.
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Re: 2012 Rule V Draft

Postby homerawayfromhome » Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:24 pm

Hermie, I thought the same thing. McGuiness could have been picked to keep or ship else where in the trade, I don't think we are done with it yet. A side note the Dbax reportedly signed Brandon McCarthy which tells me they want pitching depth to trade.
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