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2012 Projections...

Postby homerawayfromhome » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:17 pm

This is a bit early, but I wanted to post a home for team, division, and player projections.

Here's a few to get things started...

Justin Masterson 12-14 wins 3.25 - 3.50 era 200 innings 150 K's.

Shin-Soo Choo .265 BA 20 hrs 10 sb.

Tribe wins 86-88 gms. (2nd place).
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby A.Zajac » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:22 pm

I'll carry this over to this thread:

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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby homerawayfromhome » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:43 pm

I thought I'd go out on a limb here, since it's way early and throw out my projection for a cpl guys.

Casey Kotchman .280 BA with 14 hrs.

Travis Hafner .265 BA with 10 hrs.

Lou Marson .240 BA with 4 hrs.

Carlos Santana .265 BA with 30 hrs 85 RBI. An All-Star appearance, and emergence as a true star.

I thought I'd include these 4 bc in many ways they will be "sharing" at bats.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby Rocky55 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:58 pm

Re my other-threadly suggestion, in 2012:

Jason Kipnis: 550AB/98R/158H/40-2B/5-3B/29HR/18SB/3CS/58BB/124K/.284BA/.347OBP/.526SLG/.873OPS.

Silver Slugger Award. Top 14 finish in the Gold Glove Award voting. :drinks:
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby homerawayfromhome » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:03 pm

@ Rocky55.... I'm with you Jason Kipnis, although I think you may be a yr early on those numbers.
Just saying, I feel like it will be 2013 before we see those numbers.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby Hermie13 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:33 pm

Rocky55 wrote:Re my other-threadly suggestion, in 2012:

Jason Kipnis: 550AB/98R/158H/40-2B/5-3B/29HR/18SB/3CS/58BB/124K/.284BA/.347OBP/.526SLG/.873OPS.

Silver Slugger Award. Top 14 finish in the Gold Glove Award voting. :drinks:


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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby GeronimoSon » Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am

A very good season for all....
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CF Grady Sizemore LH .260/.310/.490; 20 HR/54 2B/100 runs/60 RBI's
1B Casey Kotchman LH .270/.365/.420; 12 HR/48 2B/55 runs/50 RBI's
RF Shin-soo Choo LH .305/.395/.490; 22 HR/42 2B/85 runs/85 RBI's
C Carlos Santana S .280/.375/.485; 34 HR/35 2B/85 runs/100 RBI's
DH Travis Hafner LH .280/.405/.515; 16 HR/25 2B/55 runs/70 RBI's
SS Asdrubal Cabrera S .280/.345/.460; 18 HR/30 2B/80 runs/85 RBI's
2B Jason Kipnis LH .275/.395/.510; 20 HR/45 2B/70 runs/70 RBI's
3B Lonnie Chisenhall LH .260/.310/.420; 15 HR/24 2B/60 runs /50 RBI's
LF Michael Brantley LH .275/.355/..410; 20 HR/40 2B/80 runs/40 RBI's
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2B/SS/3B/OF Jason Donald RH .310/.360/.405; 8 HR/15 2B/35 runs/20 RBI's
1B/LF/DH Shelly Duncan RH .245/.315/.430; 10 HR/15 2B/30 runs/30 RBI's
3B/1B/ Jack Hannahan LH .245/.330/.390; 10 HR/20 2B/30 runs/30 RBI's
C Lou Marson RH .240/.315/.325 5 HR/15 2B/25 runs/20 RBI's

Total HR's = 212
Total 2B's = 428
Runs = 770
Team BA = .268
Team OBP = .349
Team Slg = .452

Confidence: 85 %
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby homerawayfromhome » Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:03 pm

G'son some pretty optimistic numbers...
And I agree, I don't see the Tribe winning the division, but I do expect 88 wins and almost a playoff appearance.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby A.Zajac » Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:56 pm

CBS Projections:

Offense
C Carlos Santana .277, 89 R, 28 HR, 95 RBI, .378 OBP/.500 SLG/.878 OPS
1B Casey Kotchman .271, 33 R, 6 HR, 37 RBI, .348 OBP/.392 SLG/.739 OPS
2B Jason Kipnis .283, 80 R, 12 HR, 72 RBI, 20 SB, .340 OBP/.437 SLG/.777 OPS
SS Asdrubal Cabrera .281, 82 R, 17 HR, 75 RBI, 17 SB, .340 OBP/.435 SLG/.776 OPS
3B Lonnie Chisenhall .260, 51 R, 16 HR, 51 RBI, .303 OBP/.412 SLG/.715 OPS
LF Michael Brantley .270, 80 R, 8 HR, 62 RBI, 18 SB, .318 OBP/.381 SLG/.699 OPS
CF Grady Sizemore .240, 49 R, 14 HR, 44 RBI, 3 SB, .288 OBP/.416 SLG/.704 OPS
RF Shin-Soo Choo .287, 76 R, 18 HR, 76 RBI, 19 SB, .369 OBP/.444 SLG/.813 OPS
DH Travis Hafner .272, 52 R, 15 HR, 62 RBI, .349 OBP/.455 SLG/.804 OPS

3B Jack Hannahan .233, 24 R, 3 HR, 31 RBI, .270 OBP/.323 SLG/.594 OPS
1B/OF Shelley Duncan .245, 30 R, 10 HR, 40 RBI, .314 OBP/.450 SLG/.764 OPS
UTIL Jason Donald .284, 12 R, 1 HR, 14 RBI, .322 OBP/.390 SLG/.712 OPS

Rotation
SP Ubaldo Jimenez 12-11, 190 IP, 172 H, 75 BB/168 K, 3.65 ERA, 1.30 WHIP
SP Justin Masterson 11-11, 202 IP, 203 H, 67 BB/156 K, 3.74 ERA, 1.34 WHIP
SP Josh Tomlin 11-11, 188 IP, 184 H, 26 BB/121 K, 3.54 ERA, 1.12 WHIP
SP Derek Lowe 10-11, 176 IP, 197 H, 60 BB/120 K, 4.24 ERA, 1.46 WHIP
SP Kevin Slowey 5-6, 96 IP, 121 H, 17 BB/59 K, 5.06 ERA, 1.44 WHIP

Bullpen
CP Chris Perez 3-3, 38 SV, 61 IP, 45 H, 27 BB/54 K, 3.10 ERA, 1.18 WHIP
RP Vinnie Pestano 2-2, 68 IP, 52 H, 27 BB/80 K, 3.04 ERA, 1.16 WHIP
RP Joe Smith 3-3, 65 IP, 60 H, 21 BB/45 K, 3.18 ERA, 1.25 WHIP
RP Rafael Perez 4-2, 60 IP, 60 H, 17 BB/39 K, 3.45 ERA, 1.28 WHIP
RP Dan Wheeler 3-4, 51 IP, 48 H, 14 BB/40 K, 4.06 ERA, 1.22 WHIP

No other projections were available, so Tony Sipp wasn't projected, as well as a few other bench and potential 'pen guys.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby ClevelandBlues » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:23 pm

GeronimoSon wrote:A very good season for all....
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CF Grady Sizemore LH .260/.310/.490; 20 HR/54 2B/100 runs/60 RBI's
1B Casey Kotchman LH .270/.365/.420; 12 HR/48 2B/55 runs/50 RBI's
RF Shin-soo Choo LH .305/.395/.490; 22 HR/42 2B/85 runs/85 RBI's
C Carlos Santana S .280/.375/.485; 34 HR/35 2B/85 runs/100 RBI's
DH Travis Hafner LH .280/.405/.515; 16 HR/25 2B/55 runs/70 RBI's
SS Asdrubal Cabrera S .280/.345/.460; 18 HR/30 2B/80 runs/85 RBI's
2B Jason Kipnis LH .275/.395/.510; 20 HR/45 2B/70 runs/70 RBI's
3B Lonnie Chisenhall LH .260/.310/.420; 15 HR/24 2B/60 runs /50 RBI's
LF Michael Brantley LH .275/.355/..410; 20 HR/40 2B/80 runs/40 RBI's
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2B/SS/3B/OF Jason Donald RH .310/.360/.405; 8 HR/15 2B/35 runs/20 RBI's
1B/LF/DH Shelly Duncan RH .245/.315/.430; 10 HR/15 2B/30 runs/30 RBI's
3B/1B/ Jack Hannahan LH .245/.330/.390; 10 HR/20 2B/30 runs/30 RBI's
C Lou Marson RH .240/.315/.325 5 HR/15 2B/25 runs/20 RBI's

Total HR's = 212
Total 2B's = 428
Runs = 770
Team BA = .268
Team OBP = .349
Team Slg = .452

Confidence: 85 %


I would subtract about ten doubles each from Sizemore, Kotchman, Brantley and Kipnis, and maybe add a few for Asdrubal. Hopefully Brantley can develop twenty homer power, but that may be a best case scenario. Other than that, I am pretty much agree with your projections.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby GeronimoSon » Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:45 pm

ClevelandBlues said:
I would subtract about ten doubles each from Sizemore, Kotchman, Brantley and Kipnis, and maybe add a few for Asdrubal. Hopefully Brantley can develop twenty homer power, but that may be a best case scenario. Other than that, I am pretty much agree with your projections.


Sizemore.. agreed... that is a lot for a guy who I expect to see getting up to 400 AB's..
Kotchman.. maybe not.. XBH's are something you can usually count on with Kotchman..
Brantley.. will depend on his playing time.. I D K what the Indians are going to do w/r to his playing time..
Kipnis.. Nah. the kid has it in him to get to that level... he'll be the everyday 2B..

Droobs.. I'm hoping doesn't get more than 550-575 AB's.. and at least 1 day off in ten as the season goes forward. He needs to be kept fresh and strong..thanks for the reply...
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby silverbackAXP » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:07 am

GeronimoSon wrote:A very good season for all....
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CF Grady Sizemore LH .260/.310/.490; 20 HR/54 2B/100 runs/60 RBI's
1B Casey Kotchman LH .270/.365/.420; 12 HR/48 2B/55 runs/50 RBI's
RF Shin-soo Choo LH .305/.395/.490; 22 HR/42 2B/85 runs/85 RBI's
C Carlos Santana S .280/.375/.485; 34 HR/35 2B/85 runs/100 RBI's
DH Travis Hafner LH .280/.405/.515; 16 HR/25 2B/55 runs/70 RBI's
SS Asdrubal Cabrera S .280/.345/.460; 18 HR/30 2B/80 runs/85 RBI's
2B Jason Kipnis LH .275/.395/.510; 20 HR/45 2B/70 runs/70 RBI's
3B Lonnie Chisenhall LH .260/.310/.420; 15 HR/24 2B/60 runs /50 RBI's
LF Michael Brantley LH .275/.355/..410; 20 HR/40 2B/80 runs/40 RBI's
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2B/SS/3B/OF Jason Donald RH .310/.360/.405; 8 HR/15 2B/35 runs/20 RBI's
1B/LF/DH Shelly Duncan RH .245/.315/.430; 10 HR/15 2B/30 runs/30 RBI's
3B/1B/ Jack Hannahan LH .245/.330/.390; 10 HR/20 2B/30 runs/30 RBI's
C Lou Marson RH .240/.315/.325 5 HR/15 2B/25 runs/20 RBI's

Total HR's = 212
Total 2B's = 428
Runs = 770
Team BA = .268
Team OBP = .349
Team Slg = .452

Confidence: 85 %


hafner with a .920 ops, your projections suck
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby GeronimoSon » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:27 am

silverbackAXP wrote:
GeronimoSon wrote:A very good season for all....
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CF Grady Sizemore LH .260/.310/.490; 20 HR/54 2B/100 runs/60 RBI's
1B Casey Kotchman LH .270/.365/.420; 12 HR/48 2B/55 runs/50 RBI's
RF Shin-soo Choo LH .305/.395/.490; 22 HR/42 2B/85 runs/85 RBI's
C Carlos Santana S .280/.375/.485; 34 HR/35 2B/85 runs/100 RBI's
DH Travis Hafner LH .280/.405/.515; 16 HR/25 2B/55 runs/70 RBI's
SS Asdrubal Cabrera S .280/.345/.460; 18 HR/30 2B/80 runs/85 RBI's
2B Jason Kipnis LH .275/.395/.510; 20 HR/45 2B/70 runs/70 RBI's
3B Lonnie Chisenhall LH .260/.310/.420; 15 HR/24 2B/60 runs /50 RBI's
LF Michael Brantley LH .275/.355/..410; 20 HR/40 2B/80 runs/40 RBI's
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2B/SS/3B/OF Jason Donald RH .310/.360/.405; 8 HR/15 2B/35 runs/20 RBI's
1B/LF/DH Shelly Duncan RH .245/.315/.430; 10 HR/15 2B/30 runs/30 RBI's
3B/1B/ Jack Hannahan LH .245/.330/.390; 10 HR/20 2B/30 runs/30 RBI's
C Lou Marson RH .240/.315/.325 5 HR/15 2B/25 runs/20 RBI's

Total HR's = 212
Total 2B's = 428
Runs = 770
Team BA = .268
Team OBP = .349
Team Slg = .452

Confidence: 85 %


hafner with a .920 ops, your projections suck
Why would you sugar coat your opinion like that??.. why don't you tell me how you really feel??...
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PRONK being the PRONK of old.. in a potential contract walk year? Hafner could be the straw that stirs the Indians offensive drink in the 2012 season. Stranger things have been known to happen.. :shok:
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby indianinkslinger » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:52 am

A.Zajac wrote:CBS Projections:

Offense
C Carlos Santana .277, 89 R, 28 HR, 95 RBI, .378 OBP/.500 SLG/.878 OPS
1B Casey Kotchman .271, 33 R, 6 HR, 37 RBI, .348 OBP/.392 SLG/.739 OPS
2B Jason Kipnis .283, 80 R, 12 HR, 72 RBI, 20 SB, .340 OBP/.437 SLG/.777 OPS
SS Asdrubal Cabrera .281, 82 R, 17 HR, 75 RBI, 17 SB, .340 OBP/.435 SLG/.776 OPS
3B Lonnie Chisenhall .260, 51 R, 16 HR, 51 RBI, .303 OBP/.412 SLG/.715 OPS
LF Michael Brantley .270, 80 R, 8 HR, 62 RBI, 18 SB, .318 OBP/.381 SLG/.699 OPS
CF Grady Sizemore .240, 49 R, 14 HR, 44 RBI, 3 SB, .288 OBP/.416 SLG/.704 OPS
RF Shin-Soo Choo .287, 76 R, 18 HR, 76 RBI, 19 SB, .369 OBP/.444 SLG/.813 OPS
DH Travis Hafner .272, 52 R, 15 HR, 62 RBI, .349 OBP/.455 SLG/.804 OPS

3B Jack Hannahan .233, 24 R, 3 HR, 31 RBI, .270 OBP/.323 SLG/.594 OPS
1B/OF Shelley Duncan .245, 30 R, 10 HR, 40 RBI, .314 OBP/.450 SLG/.764 OPS
UTIL Jason Donald .284, 12 R, 1 HR, 14 RBI, .322 OBP/.390 SLG/.712 OPS

Rotation
SP Ubaldo Jimenez 12-11, 190 IP, 172 H, 75 BB/168 K, 3.65 ERA, 1.30 WHIP
SP Justin Masterson 11-11, 202 IP, 203 H, 67 BB/156 K, 3.74 ERA, 1.34 WHIP
SP Josh Tomlin 11-11, 188 IP, 184 H, 26 BB/121 K, 3.54 ERA, 1.12 WHIP
SP Derek Lowe 10-11, 176 IP, 197 H, 60 BB/120 K, 4.24 ERA, 1.46 WHIP
SP Kevin Slowey 5-6, 96 IP, 121 H, 17 BB/59 K, 5.06 ERA, 1.44 WHIP

Bullpen
CP Chris Perez 3-3, 38 SV, 61 IP, 45 H, 27 BB/54 K, 3.10 ERA, 1.18 WHIP
RP Vinnie Pestano 2-2, 68 IP, 52 H, 27 BB/80 K, 3.04 ERA, 1.16 WHIP
RP Joe Smith 3-3, 65 IP, 60 H, 21 BB/45 K, 3.18 ERA, 1.25 WHIP
RP Rafael Perez 4-2, 60 IP, 60 H, 17 BB/39 K, 3.45 ERA, 1.28 WHIP
RP Dan Wheeler 3-4, 51 IP, 48 H, 14 BB/40 K, 4.06 ERA, 1.22 WHIP

No other projections were available, so Tony Sipp wasn't projected, as well as a few other bench and potential 'pen guys.

Seems like a pretty reasonable projection to me. Would not be surprised if Donald got some more plate time and Slowey fewer starts because he would be replaced with that record. But he is low for a 5th starter already. If they actually hit like this, I would expect these pitchers to have better records. :pleasantry:
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby Pork Chop Pough » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:12 am

GeronimoSon wrote:A very good season for all....
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CF Grady Sizemore LH .260/.310/.490; 20 HR/54 2B/100 runs/60 RBI's
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This one just defies all logic. When Sizemore is healthy and playing well, he's a high obp guy. Never mind that I can't see him putting up enough at-bats to reach those numbers anyway, but he (or anyone else) can't put up those numbers with a .310 obp.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby Rocky55 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:24 am

A.Zajac wrote:CBS Projections:

Offense
C Carlos Santana .277, 89 R, 28 HR, 95 RBI, .378 OBP/.500 SLG/.878 OPS
1B Casey Kotchman .271, 33 R, 6 HR, 37 RBI, .348 OBP/.392 SLG/.739 OPS
2B Jason Kipnis .283, 80 R, 12 HR, 72 RBI, 20 SB, .340 OBP/.437 SLG/.777 OPS
SS Asdrubal Cabrera .281, 82 R, 17 HR, 75 RBI, 17 SB, .340 OBP/.435 SLG/.776 OPS
3B Lonnie Chisenhall .260, 51 R, 16 HR, 51 RBI, .303 OBP/.412 SLG/.715 OPS
LF Michael Brantley .270, 80 R, 8 HR, 62 RBI, 18 SB, .318 OBP/.381 SLG/.699 OPS
CF Grady Sizemore .240, 49 R, 14 HR, 44 RBI, 3 SB, .288 OBP/.416 SLG/.704 OPS
RF Shin-Soo Choo .287, 76 R, 18 HR, 76 RBI, 19 SB, .369 OBP/.444 SLG/.813 OPS
DH Travis Hafner .272, 52 R, 15 HR, 62 RBI, .349 OBP/.455 SLG/.804 OPS

3B Jack Hannahan .233, 24 R, 3 HR, 31 RBI, .270 OBP/.323 SLG/.594 OPS
1B/OF Shelley Duncan .245, 30 R, 10 HR, 40 RBI, .314 OBP/.450 SLG/.764 OPS
UTIL Jason Donald .284, 12 R, 1 HR, 14 RBI, .322 OBP/.390 SLG/.712 OPS

Rotation
SP Ubaldo Jimenez 12-11, 190 IP, 172 H, 75 BB/168 K, 3.65 ERA, 1.30 WHIP
SP Justin Masterson 11-11, 202 IP, 203 H, 67 BB/156 K, 3.74 ERA, 1.34 WHIP
SP Josh Tomlin 11-11, 188 IP, 184 H, 26 BB/121 K, 3.54 ERA, 1.12 WHIP
SP Derek Lowe 10-11, 176 IP, 197 H, 60 BB/120 K, 4.24 ERA, 1.46 WHIP
SP Kevin Slowey 5-6, 96 IP, 121 H, 17 BB/59 K, 5.06 ERA, 1.44 WHIP

Bullpen
CP Chris Perez 3-3, 38 SV, 61 IP, 45 H, 27 BB/54 K, 3.10 ERA, 1.18 WHIP
RP Vinnie Pestano 2-2, 68 IP, 52 H, 27 BB/80 K, 3.04 ERA, 1.16 WHIP
RP Joe Smith 3-3, 65 IP, 60 H, 21 BB/45 K, 3.18 ERA, 1.25 WHIP
RP Rafael Perez 4-2, 60 IP, 60 H, 17 BB/39 K, 3.45 ERA, 1.28 WHIP
RP Dan Wheeler 3-4, 51 IP, 48 H, 14 BB/40 K, 4.06 ERA, 1.22 WHIP

No other projections were available, so Tony Sipp wasn't projected, as well as a few other bench and potential 'pen guys.

Kinda hard to judge given lack of AB's stated but: Santana looks about right, Kotchman must be limited AB's, Kip low in the SLG%, Droobs about right, Chiz, Brantley & Grady all way low in the OBP, Choo okay, who knows with Hafner. Donald should be lots better given health & decent amount of playing time.

Does the rotation usually account for less than 100 W/L's? Pen's are so hard to predict but those look pretty close to me. If I'm doing this right in my head it looks like they've accounted for 128 games & a 64-64 record. Thirty four decisions from spot starters, long relief & the rest of the pen?
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby homerawayfromhome » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:13 pm

@ Rocky 55... I noticed those numbers too, seems like they don't think Slowey will be much of a 5th starter w/ only 96 innings projected, and a plus 5 era.

Honestly, the loss of Carmona could really hurt, that could be where it shows deeper down the rotation. The Tribe does have depth though... Gomez, McAllister, Huff, Kluber and probably late into the yr Barnes, maybe Adams or Packer.
I'm not high on Huff or Kluber (long guys?) myself but feel all the others could be decent BOR arms. Of which, I like Barnes and Adams (maybe #3 types) but don't see them ready until later in the yr... July / August.

I got to be honest looking at this club I expect a very interesting yr. potentially 88 wins and probably about 6-8 gms behind the Tigers. I'm not sure the Tribe has the weaponry but I won't be entirely shocked to see the Tribe try to pickup a bat and / or another starter by the deadline.
Also, there is still the possibility that the Tribe is able to add an arm like Rich Harden on a minor league deal.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby Rocky55 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:15 pm

Agree about the loss of Carmona homer, which is why I'd like to have traded for a MOR starter. The offense should improve with health & maturation. We won't be Murderer's Row but should put up enough runs to be competitive. I think the defense should improve quite a bit. All in all, I don't see 88 wins as far-fetched either.

Looking forward to seeing some baseball. :drinks:
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby Hermie13 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:29 pm

A.Zajac wrote:CBS Projections:

Offense
C Carlos Santana .277, 89 R, 28 HR, 95 RBI, .378 OBP/.500 SLG/.878 OPS
1B Casey Kotchman .271, 33 R, 6 HR, 37 RBI, .348 OBP/.392 SLG/.739 OPS
2B Jason Kipnis .283, 80 R, 12 HR, 72 RBI, 20 SB, .340 OBP/.437 SLG/.777 OPS
SS Asdrubal Cabrera .281, 82 R, 17 HR, 75 RBI, 17 SB, .340 OBP/.435 SLG/.776 OPS
3B Lonnie Chisenhall .260, 51 R, 16 HR, 51 RBI, .303 OBP/.412 SLG/.715 OPS
LF Michael Brantley .270, 80 R, 8 HR, 62 RBI, 18 SB, .318 OBP/.381 SLG/.699 OPS
CF Grady Sizemore .240, 49 R, 14 HR, 44 RBI, 3 SB, .288 OBP/.416 SLG/.704 OPS
RF Shin-Soo Choo .287, 76 R, 18 HR, 76 RBI, 19 SB, .369 OBP/.444 SLG/.813 OPS
DH Travis Hafner .272, 52 R, 15 HR, 62 RBI, .349 OBP/.455 SLG/.804 OPS

3B Jack Hannahan .233, 24 R, 3 HR, 31 RBI, .270 OBP/.323 SLG/.594 OPS
1B/OF Shelley Duncan .245, 30 R, 10 HR, 40 RBI, .314 OBP/.450 SLG/.764 OPS
UTIL Jason Donald .284, 12 R, 1 HR, 14 RBI, .322 OBP/.390 SLG/.712 OPS

Rotation
SP Ubaldo Jimenez 12-11, 190 IP, 172 H, 75 BB/168 K, 3.65 ERA, 1.30 WHIP
SP Justin Masterson 11-11, 202 IP, 203 H, 67 BB/156 K, 3.74 ERA, 1.34 WHIP
SP Josh Tomlin 11-11, 188 IP, 184 H, 26 BB/121 K, 3.54 ERA, 1.12 WHIP
SP Derek Lowe 10-11, 176 IP, 197 H, 60 BB/120 K, 4.24 ERA, 1.46 WHIP
SP Kevin Slowey 5-6, 96 IP, 121 H, 17 BB/59 K, 5.06 ERA, 1.44 WHIP

Bullpen
CP Chris Perez 3-3, 38 SV, 61 IP, 45 H, 27 BB/54 K, 3.10 ERA, 1.18 WHIP
RP Vinnie Pestano 2-2, 68 IP, 52 H, 27 BB/80 K, 3.04 ERA, 1.16 WHIP
RP Joe Smith 3-3, 65 IP, 60 H, 21 BB/45 K, 3.18 ERA, 1.25 WHIP
RP Rafael Perez 4-2, 60 IP, 60 H, 17 BB/39 K, 3.45 ERA, 1.28 WHIP
RP Dan Wheeler 3-4, 51 IP, 48 H, 14 BB/40 K, 4.06 ERA, 1.22 WHIP

No other projections were available, so Tony Sipp wasn't projected, as well as a few other bench and potential 'pen guys.


Wow, if Tomlin keeps his ERA that low with that many innings, this club will be tough to keep out of the playoffs.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby indianinkslinger » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:59 pm

There are thoughts about the opening day lineup floating around my old(fashioned) brain. Two positions my be made from a decision about the direction of the team during ST. I am referring to the #5 pitcher and 3B. I think the #5 rotation slot comes down mostly to Slowey/Gomez and that will be closely involved with the 3B decision on Chisenhall/Hannahan. If Hannahan wins and Chisenhall goes down to AAA, that would seem to benefit a ground ball thrower like Gomez. Conversely, a fly ball pitcher like Slowey would limit the grounders to 3B but might be going from the frying pan to the fire with Sizemore/Choo defense on fly balls which will also be discovered in ST.

I have also thought there may be good platoon opportunities involving position players that might cause as many as 26-27 players on the active roster if they carry 12 pitchers. I doubt MLB will approve of the exception for the Tribe but the Indians might go early season alternating 5th starters and 7th relievers. Radical, I know, but it is a short trip to Columbus and I don't think either the rotation/pen suffers unnecessarily with our depth. Not quite the way the thread is probably planned but these qualify as my projections which I have not decided upon. :dunno:
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby homerawayfromhome » Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:23 pm

I'm not a stickler to formalities, I just enjoy the conversation about the Tribe. I've followed life away from Cleveland and there are few Tribe fans where I'm at. Ironically, I'm set to move to Cleveland (TN) this summer to pursue my MDIV and DMin. Funny I grew up in the shadows of Cleveland, now returning of sorts.
Anyways, keep the conversation rolling... :smile:
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby GeronimoSon » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:16 pm

Pork Chop Pough wrote:
GeronimoSon wrote:A very good season for all....
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CF Grady Sizemore LH .260/.310/.490; 20 HR/54 2B/100 runs/60 RBI's
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This one just defies all logic. When Sizemore is healthy and playing well, he's a high obp guy. Never mind that I can't see him putting up enough at-bats to reach those numbers anyway, but he (or anyone else) can't put up those numbers with a .310 obp.


Here are the results for a Major League Player "Z": .269/.310/.491; 31HR/27 2B/ 156 runs produced (runs & RBI's)

-taken from Baseball Reference..
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby silverbackAXP » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:24 am

GeronimoSon wrote:
Pork Chop Pough wrote:
GeronimoSon wrote:A very good season for all....
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CF Grady Sizemore LH .260/.310/.490; 20 HR/54 2B/100 runs/60 RBI's
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This one just defies all logic. When Sizemore is healthy and playing well, he's a high obp guy. Never mind that I can't see him putting up enough at-bats to reach those numbers anyway, but he (or anyone else) can't put up those numbers with a .310 obp.


Here are the results for a Major League Player "Z": .269/.310/.491; 31HR/27 2B/ 156 runs produced (runs & RBI's)

-taken from Baseball Reference..


I really don't see how anyone can take any of your posts seriously after seeing your delusional projections. You are like Nosco.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby Pork Chop Pough » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:15 am

GeronimoSon wrote:
Pork Chop Pough wrote:
GeronimoSon wrote:A very good season for all....
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CF Grady Sizemore LH .260/.310/.490; 20 HR/54 2B/100 runs/60 RBI's
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This one just defies all logic. When Sizemore is healthy and playing well, he's a high obp guy. Never mind that I can't see him putting up enough at-bats to reach those numbers anyway, but he (or anyone else) can't put up those numbers with a .310 obp.


Here are the results for a Major League Player "Z": .269/.310/.491; 31HR/27 2B/ 156 runs produced (runs & RBI's)

-taken from Baseball Reference..

Ooh, a mystery player... who I couldn't care less about. Your "Player Z" misses the point that your prediction of Sizemore's numbers are in no way indicative of the type of hitter he's always been. Player Z isn't a comparable hitter to Sizemore, and really isn't even comparable to the numbers you've predicted for Sizemore, since:

1. There's a slight bit of difference between 27 doubles and 54 doubles.
2. You've tried to cover your mistakes by only giving Player Z's runs+rbi, instead of the separate categories.

I don't care how many rbi you've predicted for Sizemore, which makes your runs produced largely irrelevant. The absurdity of your prediction is thinking that Sizemore will be healthy enough to score 100 runs (and get 74+ xbh) yet only post a .310 obp. Sizemore's career obp is .088 higher than his batting average. You have it at .050. Even when Sizemore has played at well below 100% the past few seasons and his strikeouts have soared, he's kept a much higher walk rate than you're predicting. When getting 300+ plate appearances in a season, he's never posted an obp below .343.

There have been 5 players in the entire history of the majors who have scored 100 runs with an obp of .310 or worse, and you think Sizemore is going to do it this season? Those 5 players – Devon White, Juan Samuel, Bret Boone, Alfonso Soriano and Jimmy Rollins - all had/have very different approaches than Sizemore, and only Boone ever posted a full single season obp higher than Sizemore's career rate of .357.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby JP_Frost » Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:13 am

Agreed on the whole Sizemore OBP thing. IF he's healthy, I fully expect him to post a .350+ OBP.

The mystery player is JJ Hardy btw.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:56 am

Pork Chop Pough wrote:
GeronimoSon wrote:
Pork Chop Pough wrote:
GeronimoSon wrote:A very good season for all....
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CF Grady Sizemore LH .260/.310/.490; 20 HR/54 2B/100 runs/60 RBI's
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This one just defies all logic. When Sizemore is healthy and playing well, he's a high obp guy. Never mind that I can't see him putting up enough at-bats to reach those numbers anyway, but he (or anyone else) can't put up those numbers with a .310 obp.


Here are the results for a Major League Player "Z": .269/.310/.491; 31HR/27 2B/ 156 runs produced (runs & RBI's)

-taken from Baseball Reference..

Ooh, a mystery player... who I couldn't care less about. Your "Player Z" misses the point that your prediction of Sizemore's numbers are in no way indicative of the type of hitter he's always been. Player Z isn't a comparable hitter to Sizemore, and really isn't even comparable to the numbers you've predicted for Sizemore, since:

1. There's a slight bit of difference between 27 doubles and 54 doubles.
2. You've tried to cover your mistakes by only giving Player Z's runs+rbi, instead of the separate categories.

I don't care how many rbi you've predicted for Sizemore, which makes your runs produced largely irrelevant. The absurdity of your prediction is thinking that Sizemore will be healthy enough to score 100 runs (and get 74+ xbh) yet only post a .310 obp. Sizemore's career obp is .088 higher than his batting average. You have it at .050. Even when Sizemore has played at well below 100% the past few seasons and his strikeouts have soared, he's kept a much higher walk rate than you're predicting. When getting 300+ plate appearances in a season, he's never posted an obp below .343.

There have been 5 players in the entire history of the majors who have scored 100 runs with an obp of .310 or worse, and you think Sizemore is going to do it this season? Those 5 players – Devon White, Juan Samuel, Bret Boone, Alfonso Soriano and Jimmy Rollins - all had/have very different approaches than Sizemore, and only Boone ever posted a full single season obp higher than Sizemore's career rate of .357.


So.. you don't care about the Player Z.. yet you take the time and effort to research the entirety of MLB baseball history to come to the point that your response shows that a prediction is somehow covering a mistake.. HOW ABSURD IS THAT????????? Grady Sizemore has always been an xbh kind of hitter. The reason for the lower than usual 2B's is primarily due to Grady being forced to a bit smarter about stretching singles into doubles while still generating runs.. no other reason. Grady will most likely not get many 'hustle' singles (continuing to reduce the stress on his surgically repaired knees), so that will affect his 2B's, OBP and BA, to an extent. Realizing these two potentials for Grady would have tempered your inane "I DON'T CARE" "..mistake ridden... absurd" predictions comment.

AHHH.. but that's really not the point, is it?.. You are presented with a player with a history of having formidible XBH totals & somewhat of an injury concern that provides meaningful parallels for the prediction and you refuse to allow for it, choosing to research and write a response to show JUST HOW SMART YOU'RE NOT... GOOD FOR YOU...

:rolleyes:
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby daingean » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:10 am

GeronimoSon wrote:So.. you don't care about the Player Z.. yet you take the time and effort to research the entirety of MLB baseball history to come to the point that your response shows that a prediction is somehow covering a mistake.. HOW ABSURD IS THAT????????? Grady Sizemore has always been an xbh kind of hitter. The reason for the lower than usual 2B's is primarily due to Grady being forced to a bit smarter about stretching singles into doubles while still generating runs.. no other reason. Grady will most likely not get many 'hustle' singles (continuing to reduce the stress on his surgically repaired knees), so that will affect his 2B's, OBP and BA, to an extent. Realizing these two potentials for Grady would have tempered your inane "I DON'T CARE" "..mistake ridden... absurd" predictions comment.

AHHH.. but that's really not the point, is it?.. You are presented with a player with a history of having formidible XBH totals & somewhat of an injury concern that provides meaningful parallels for the prediction and you refuse to allow for it, choosing to research and write a response to show JUST HOW SMART YOU'RE NOT... GOOD FOR YOU...

:rolleyes:


I actually think offensively (baserunning...hustling to beat out infield hits) offers less wear-n-tear on Grady's legs than playing CF. Baserunning is basically more controlled (running in a straight line) while CF requires quick bursts, sudden stops, change of direction adjustments, and using your legs behind throws (some of which are off balance throws). Yes the surgically repaired knees may cause a drop of some level in 2b's and infield hits, I just don't see it being as dramatic. I do see Grady needing a day or 2 each week at DH or just plain getting a rest to keep his knees feeling better.

The biggest concern with Grady for me is staying healthy. Even short stays on the DL result in having to get reacquainted with game speed and live pitching. It's not always the length of the DL but also the frequency.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:36 am

daingean wrote:
GeronimoSon wrote:So.. you don't care about the Player Z.. yet you take the time and effort to research the entirety of MLB baseball history to come to the point that your response shows that a prediction is somehow covering a mistake.. HOW ABSURD IS THAT????????? Grady Sizemore has always been an xbh kind of hitter. The reason for the lower than usual 2B's is primarily due to Grady being forced to a bit smarter about stretching singles into doubles while still generating runs.. no other reason. Grady will most likely not get many 'hustle' singles (continuing to reduce the stress on his surgically repaired knees), so that will affect his 2B's, OBP and BA, to an extent. Realizing these two potentials for Grady would have tempered your inane "I DON'T CARE" "..mistake ridden... absurd" predictions comment.

AHHH.. but that's really not the point, is it?.. You are presented with a player with a history of having formidible XBH totals & somewhat of an injury concern that provides meaningful parallels for the prediction and you refuse to allow for it, choosing to research and write a response to show JUST HOW SMART YOU'RE NOT... GOOD FOR YOU...

:rolleyes:


I actually think offensively (baserunning...hustling to beat out infield hits) offers less wear-n-tear on Grady's legs than playing CF. Baserunning is basically more controlled (running in a straight line) while CF requires quick bursts, sudden stops, change of direction adjustments, and using your legs behind throws (some of which are off balance throws). Yes the surgically repaired knees may cause a drop of some level in 2b's and infield hits, I just don't see it being as dramatic. I do see Grady needing a day or 2 each week at DH or just plain getting a rest to keep his knees feeling better.

The biggest concern with Grady for me is staying healthy. Even short stays on the DL result in having to get reacquainted with game speed and live pitching. It's not always the length of the DL but also the frequency.


Tend to agree.. Grady leaving his feet to dive for balls, running into walls and the ever important reaction/first step off the crack of the bat does have a direct effect on the health of his surgically repaired knees..
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby ClevelandBlues » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:59 pm

I don't expect Sizemore to be the player he was on defense or the basepaths, but if he can stay healthy I do not see why he can't be a similar offensive player as he was in the past. I think the problem the last two years is that he could not stay in the lineup long enough to get his timing down. My biggest concern for Sizemore is staying healthy. A few days a week at dh wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for him.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:43 pm

ClevelandBlues wrote:I don't expect Sizemore to be the player he was on defense or the basepaths, but if he can stay healthy I do not see why he can't be a similar offensive player as he was in the past. I think the problem the last two years is that he could not stay in the lineup long enough to get his timing down. My biggest concern for Sizemore is staying healthy. A few days a week at dh wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for him.

Amen to that.. A healthy Grady.. a smarter Grady (so he stays healthy) is the ticket to him resembling the player he once was.. The run through walls, busting his ass down the line on routine grounders Grady, alas, is gone forever..
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby Pork Chop Pough » Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:12 pm

GeronimoSon wrote:So.. you don't care about the Player Z.. yet you take the time and effort to research the entirety of MLB baseball history to come to the point that your response shows that a prediction is somehow covering a mistake.. HOW ABSURD IS THAT?????????

My research took all of 5 minutes and was to confirm my initial point that guys scoring 100 runs with a .310 obp doesn't happen. It had nothing to do with Player Z, who just from the stats you posted obviously had nothing to do with the type of player Sizemore has always been.

GeronimoSon wrote:Grady Sizemore has always been an xbh kind of hitter. The reason for the lower than usual 2B's is primarily due to Grady being forced to a bit smarter about stretching singles into doubles while still generating runs.. no other reason. Grady will most likely not get many 'hustle' singles (continuing to reduce the stress on his surgically repaired knees), so that will affect his 2B's...

Umm, you predicted Grady to hit 54 doubles... only one player in baseball has hit more than that in the past 10 years. Just how many would you think he hits if he didn't have knee problems?!

...but sure, I'm the absurd one.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby homerawayfromhome » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:54 pm

Here's some projections from bleacherreport...
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby homerawayfromhome » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:50 am

Heres my projections for the Tribes rotation, as we all know this could change bc of trades, injuries, etc. but Masterson, Jimenez, Tomlin, and Lowe will likely be the horses for the rotation.

Justin Masterson
210 IP 16-10 w/l. 180 k. 3.65 era AS appearance.
Ubaldo Jimenez
210 IP 16-10 w-l. 190 k. 3.75 era
Josh Tomlin
190 IP 12-10 w-l. 120 k. 4.25 era
Derek Lowe
190 IP 10-10 w-l. 130 k. 4.55 era

Here's a cpl bullpen arms that I feel will have solid yrs.
Chris Perez
60 IP. 3-5 w-l. 50 k. 3.25 era 35 sv.
Vinnie Pestano
65 IP. 5-2 w-l. 80 k. 2.75 era. 5 sv.
Tony Sipp
60 IP. 4-2. w-l. 55 k. 2.75 era
Joe Smith
60 IP. 2-4 w-l. 45 k. 2.75 era

Overall, I believe the Tribe is in for a solid yr from the pitching staff. I feel we will see the continued maturation of Justin Masterson as the teams frontman. I also believe Ubaldo Jimenez will have a strong season, and one that could possibly rival Mastersons front of the rotation spot. Josh Tomlin will log some solid innings but will continue to be homer prone. I believe Derek Lowe will log his innings put up decent numbers and effectively serve as a mentor to some of the younger guys who will likely see time in the 5 spot this yr. I also expect to see the big league debuts of Austin Adams, and Scott Barnes late into the yr.
The bullpen will likely remain strong. Although I believe there could be a cpl spots that simply don't overwhelm. Chris Perez should have a good yr, but not dominate, although I believe he will get more swing and misses and his FB will likely hit 95 again. Vinnie Pestano is an arm that I believe becomes Clevelands light outs out closer in another yr, when Perez becomes expendable bc of his price tag next offseason and better production from Pestano, I expect Sipp, and Smith to have solid yrs. Raffy Perez is a guy I feel could become expendable bc of his price, but also I believe Nick Hagadone will blossom into Pestano left (numbers wise). I also believe the Tribe will debut Tyler Sturdevant, CC Lee, and maybe a guy like Rob Bryson late into the season.
Overall, I believe the top half of the rotation and the back half of the pen to have solid yrs. I believe there are some hes that could be filled, but the internal options are numerous. The one area that really concerns me is the 5 th starter. This is a hole many teams also seek to fill, and the Tribe has several depth options.
I am projecting a 86 win season, I believe the Tribe will be alot of fun to watch but will be out paced by the Tigers over the long haul. I do believe the Tribe will try to fill that 5 th spot at some point in the yr as well as adding a bat to the lineup.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby ironmike » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:30 pm

Indians will finish the 2012 season below .500 It is not beyond the possibility of KC Royals finishing ahead of them. Indians will have to fight off Twins and WS for 3rd place.

Team will fail to maximize their "window of contention" per Shapiro, due to 10 years of very poor drafting.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby timdav » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:04 am

Sure hope I'm wrong...but, I'm afraid Iron Mike's last post is closer to reality than anything else I've read/seen.

After following the Tribe's major and minor league system for more than 30 years...sadly, I think Mike's right.

Really wonder about what happens in 2014+....could be in for a long, long rebuild. But, when you compete in a sport with no salary cap....everything a mid-market team does has to be nearly perfect with a lot of luck as well. Expecting those things to happen consistently isn't realistic...unfortunately.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby daingean » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:45 am

timdav wrote:Sure hope I'm wrong...but, I'm afraid Iron Mike's last post is closer to reality than anything else I've read/seen.

After following the Tribe's major and minor league system for more than 30 years...sadly, I think Mike's right.

Really wonder about what happens in 2014+....could be in for a long, long rebuild. But, when you compete in a sport with no salary cap....everything a mid-market team does has to be nearly perfect with a lot of luck as well. Expecting those things to happen consistently isn't realistic...unfortunately.


I can see it but I right now I'm projecting 83-79....I too am very disappointed in our off season but I do think we could see upgrades in production with Santana (over Carlos 2011) and Kipnis (over Orlando) but LF and 1B will see drop offs in production (but a defensive upgrade at 1B)....the key here is health of this team (which is already starting off as bad as last year).

Columbus will win the IL
Akron will finish 5th
Carolina will finish 4th
Lake County will win it's division
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby Hermie13 » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:27 pm

Last year my extreme prediction was that Masterson would get at least one Cy Young vote....

Didn't happen (though should have, Romero and Valerde got them), so this year I'm saying he doesn't just get a vote, but wins the Cy Young. :cool
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby Edible14 » Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:11 pm

I'll peg the tribe at about 86 wins, and likely just short of a playoff birth. Position-by-position, depth included, I would take this year's team over last year's team which won 80 games despite a rather nasty rash of injuries.

C: Santana should catch more games here, and should be even better than last year. A lot more production here.
1B: Kotchman is an upgrade over LaPorta.
2B: Kipnis > OCab, especially with some experience now
SS: Asdrubal is just as good as ever
3B: I'm a lot more confident in Hannahan now, and Chisenhall should be a lot more ready this year if he falters
OF: Choo should bounce back, I'll take him this year over the combined production of him and Fukudome last year. Brantley should take a step forward. The third spot was a mess last year, and truthfully still is. But whatever we get out of Sizemore, Duncan and Cunningham/Spillbourghs figures to be better than Zeke/Kearns from where I'm sitting.

SP: I'm a lot more confident in Tomlin and Masterson this year. I'll take Ubaldo over Fausto/Roberto. I'll take Lowe over Carrasco. And I'll take Gomez over Talbot.
RP: Always a crapshoot, but I honestly think we might have the best bullpen in baseball. Several established guys (Smith, Raffy, Wheeler), possibly the best setup man in baseball in Vinnie Pestano, and a pretty good closer. And some good depth, though I think I would take last year's depth over this year's.

The key, as always with the Indians, will be getting improved production from young guys and staying healthy. If they stay mostly healthy, this team is capable of 90 wins or more, but that's extremely optimistic.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby GhostofTedCox » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:46 am

Projection and prediction time.

First, let me say that I have been very disappointed with the Indians off season. I believed the Ubaldo trade was a sign that the organization was "all in" for the 2012 season. Imagine my surprise now.

I think the 2012 Indians will get 81 wins. That's good I guess. But not enough to reach the playoffs. The Tigers will win the division by a wide margin again. The Royals will be much stronger this year. Especially if they get the closer situation straightened out.

I see the Angels as AL champs.

The Indians will win games due to the deep pitching. Masterson will win 16-18. Ubaldo will be a .500 pitcher.
The bullpen will be nails.

Offensively, Santana will lead the team in HR & RBI. The breakout performer will be Kipnis. I think the holes in the lineup will be LF, 3B, 1B. (Yes, I think Kotchman had his career year in 2011).
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby Pork Chop Pough » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:51 pm

My guess on the AL Central:

DET 93-69
CLE 82-80
MIN 81-81
KC 77-85
CHI 71-91

I'm finding it difficult to predict though, because the other two divisions are so much better than the Central.
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Re: 2012 Projections...

Postby homerawayfromhome » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:54 pm

Everyday At Bats:
Asdrubal Cabrera .280 16 hrs 20 sb
Shin-Soo Choo .280 22 hrs 20 sb
Michael Brantley .275 10 hrs 25 sb
Travis Hafner .265 12 hrs 50 rbi
Carlos Santana .265 35 hrs 90 rbi ALL-STAR app.
Jason Kipnis .285 18 hrs 15 sb
Casey Kotchman .265 12 hrs
Shelley Duncan .245 12 hrs
Jack Hannahan .245 8 hrs
Others:
Jason Donald .285 6 hrs 8 sb Plays: SS, 2nd, 3rd, CF, LF
Jose Lopez .265 10 hrs Plays: 2nd, 1st, 3rd, DH
Lou Marson .245 4 hrs
Aaron Cunningham .255 6 hrs
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