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Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby Pork Chop Pough » Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:34 pm

Entering the series...
Indians: 62-58, 2nd place in AL Central, 1½ GB the Tigers. 29-33 on the road. 7-3 in last 10.
Tigers: 65-58, 1st place in AL Central, 1½ games ahead. 34-27 at home. 4-6 in last 10.
...The Tribe's only loss in the past 5 games was a wild 14-inning affair that opened their road trip in Chicago. The pitching staff is allowing 3.8 runs per game in August, while scoring 5.0. Cleveland and Detroit have not been separated by more than 4 games at the top of the Central since June 3rd. The Tigers have lost 3 of 4 and aren't getting many easy victories -- Tuesday's 7-1 win over the Twins was the first time they'd beaten a team by more than 1 run since July 29th (their last 8 wins were all 1 run decisions). They've been outscored this season 563-551 (for a Pythagorean record of 60-63).

Friday, 7:05 ET
Josh Tomlin, RHP (12-5, 3.97) vs. Max Scherzer, RHP (12-7, 4.37)

Tomlin hasn't faced Detroit since he defeated them in the 2nd game of a double-header Sept. 29th last season. In his past two starts, Tomlin has allowed only 3 runs on 7 singles and a double over 13.1 innings. He's been the 5th toughest pitcher in the league to reach base against (.267 obp), and right-handers are finding it especially difficult (.213/.236/.386). • The Indians have struck out 40 times in the past 3 games, and it won't get any easier against Scherzer, who racked up a season-high 10 in his last start -- he also walked no one, but still allowed 4 earned runs on 2 homers in 7 innings against the Orioles. It was his second start in a row allowing 4 earned runs after he had allowed no more than 2 in any of his previous 5. He's 1-0 with a 5.11 ERA in 2 starts against Cleveland, but success isn't likely to continue if he can't figure out a way to retire lefties (.299/.364/.538).

Saturday, 1:05 ET
David Huff, LHP (1-1, 0.51) vs. Doug Fister, RHP (4-13, 3.59)

Huff was pressed into action in the 14th inning Tuesday night, but only threw 3 pitches before allowing the game-winning hit to Juan Pierre. He's fared much better is his other trips to the mound for Cleveland, allowing just 1 earned run in 17.2 innings, though he hasn't made an official start since Aug. 2nd. Facing 52 MLB right-handers this year, he's allowed 10 hits, 1 walk and struck out 11. • Since being acquired from Seattle to pick up the back of Detroit's rotation, Fister has gone 1-1 with a 6.14 ERA in 3 starts, allowing 24 hits in 14.2 innings. That includes 2 runs in 2 innings against Cleveland in a Aug. 9th start, when rain chased him from the mound before the Indians could. In 3 starts against the Tribe this year, he's posted a 2.81 ERA over 16 ip, but has an 0-1 record to show for it.

Sunday, 1:05 ET
Ubaldo Jimenez, RHP (7-9, 4.48) vs. Rick Porcello, RHP (11-8, 4.98)

The first three starts of his Cleveland career have been a roller coaster ride for Jimenez, resulting in a 4.58 ERA with 1 win and 2 no-decisions in games the team lost. However, that includes an 8-inning gem against Detroit, in which he pitched 8 innings without allowing an earned run. He's 2-0 against Detroit this season with a 2.08 ERA in 13 innings. • Despite week-long rumors that Justin Verlander would be bumped up to start on Sunday, Rick Porcello remains the scheduled starter for now. The Tigers are going to need Porcello down the stretch, but not with the results from his last 2 outings -- 2 losses and a 11.17 ERA, allowing 20 hits in 9.2 innings. That includes 8 runs on 11 hits to the Indians -- both season-highs -- when they knocked him out during the 4th inning of a 11-7 Tribe victory. Left-handers are hitting 100 points higher against Porcello (.234 vs. RH/.334 vs. LH), and he's been considerably worse at home this season (5.61 home ERA, 4.46 on the road).

NOTES:
• Jason Kipnis (oblique/hamstring) has been placed on the 15-day DL. Luis Valbuena will take his spot on the 25-man roster, but Jason Donald and Jack Hannahan are expected to earn most of the playing time.
• The Indians have also recalled Shelley Duncan from Columbus and optioned out Ezequiel Carrera.
• Since going 0-for-6 in Tuesday's 14-inning game, Kosuke Fukudome has 5 hits in his last 8 at-bats. Fukudome's good eye has largely been absent since joining Cleveland, with 2 walks and 16 strikeouts.
• Since posting a season-worst 4.54 ERA in July, Cleveland's bullpen has a 2.44 ERA in 51.2 innings in August.
• Delmon Young is 5-for-13 with a home run over his first 3 games in a Tigers uniform.
• Miguel Cabrera has had a hit in every August game, good for a 15-game hitting streak. He's hit .397/.435/.556 during the streak, but has just one home run this month. His .980 OPS this season trails only Jose Bautista in the AL.
• Alex Avila has caught each of the last 12 games for Detroit, and has played just one hitless game in August. He's hitting .426/.542/.723 with 3 home runs and 12 walks in 14 games this month.
• Al Alburquerque (concussion) is eligible to pitch this weekend for Detroit, but is not expected to be activated until next week.

Cleveland is 6-3 against Detroit this season.
Last series...
8/9 • W • 3-2 (14). Win: Herrmann. Loss: Pauley.
8/10 • W • 10-3. Win: Jimenez. Loss: Porcello.
8/11 • L • 3-4. Win: Verlander. Loss: Carmona.

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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby jellis » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:14 pm

the amount this team K's kills me, no surprise tomlin gave up a HR surprise is that it was Jackson, lets see if we can put some hits together


PS seems midnight has stuck on pronk again, no way we pick up the 13 mil option now, he will be lucky to hit 15 HR right now , he has been ok, for perspective Thome doesn't play everyday has one more HR and an OPS which is 60 points higher, honestly I would not be opposed to acquiring Thome for the end of the season he is a better DH vs rightes than pronk is
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby Tondo » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:17 pm

Acta is too loyal to his SP...Tomlin was hit hard the whole 6th...no need to bring him back in a 1 run game...to make it worse, he then he keeps him in after the solo HR :shout:
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby jellis » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:20 pm

Tondo wrote:Acta is too loyal to his SP...Tomlin was hit hard the whole 6th...no need to bring him back in a 1 run game...to make it worse, he then he keeps him in after the solo HR :shout:


3 HR tonight up to 4th highest total in all of baseball, just a killer stat for him and whats going to prevent him from being a great pitcher. If he was in Colorado he might give up 80, I almost wish he was in the Ublado deal just to see the chase for 70
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby Prosecutor » Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:17 am

Once again Acta goes too long with his starter, although to be fair, Tomlin had only thrown 80 pitches going into the 7th. Still, he's one of those guys who really starts to get beat up the 3rd or 4th time through the order.

The way Scherzer was pitching, however, it didn't really matter. We would have gotten shut out of the ump didn't blow that third strike on Chiz and give him a second chance.
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby Bearcatbob » Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:38 am

Prosecutor wrote:Once again Acta goes too long with his starter, although to be fair, Tomlin had only thrown 80 pitches going into the 7th. Still, he's one of those guys who really starts to get beat up the 3rd or 4th time through the order.

The way Scherzer was pitching, however, it didn't really matter. We would have gotten shut out of the ump didn't blow that third strike on Chiz and give him a second chance.



I was pretty down on Valbuena after watching last nights game. However, no one else was hitting Scherzer either.

The other guy who is completely lost now is Hafner. He is spending too much time arguing with umps about strikes. Often the first pitch looks like a meat ball and he is simply taking it.

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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby GeronimoSon » Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:21 am

An ugly game in many ways...

What few opportunities the Indians had to score were frittered away..

Hafner, being in the position of run producer, has been lost/inbetween at the plate.. Give a hitter a run of inconsistent umpires and they don't know what a strike is or isn't.. Hafner was clearly correct on two of his K's.. they weren't strikes...

Valbuena is just plain awful.. If the reason for his recall at this point was to allow a SP in AAA to return without consequences ( allowing another player to come up with Val-malo being sent down with no hope of being recalled) then it's a bad plan.. Valbuena being on this team, is a bad plan.. HE IS NOT A ML BASEBALL PLAYER.. send him back to AAA where he can post numbers. When you look closely at who Valbuena is hitting against, you know why he posts those number. The only way he should see any action is if someone gets injured.. and even then, it might be better to go with 8, not nine..

Tonight will be the biggest start in the career of David Huff.. he is making his fourth start of this season.. a superb effort will solidify his hold on a rotation spot. Tonight's game should be the most winnable of the three game series.

We shall see..
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby Pork Chop Pough » Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:41 pm

No mas Valmalo! What the hell is he doing in the starting lineup again?

At least Detroit is starting Magglio Ordonez (batting 2nd!) and Brandon Inge tonight. The three batters at the top of Detroit's lineup (Jackson, Ordonez and Young) all have OBP's of .311 or worse, while Martinez, Avila and Peralta bat 5-6-7. Thank God that Jim Leyland is senile. In fact, he only has 4 starters tonight with OBP's over .311. Huff needs to continue his dominance... there are no excuses not to.
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby Pork Chop Pough » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:12 pm

What incredible teamwork tonight... an entire lineup that chipped in to lose and show no effort. They defied the odds and were humiliated by the worst team Detroit could put on the field.
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby Bearcatbob » Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:02 am

Well gentlemen, we need this one today. Other things we need are to fix 2b, and fix Pronk.

Pluto today has it right - the loss of Kipnis is devastating. Ubaldo we need you. In Carmona's last start he was incredibly focused. His face in the dugout was one of solid stone. The next night he was smiling and laughing. My opinion of Carmona is that he is a guy who truly cares.

Somewhere some genius in the world of baseball management someone must be able to judge if Valbuena's hitting skills are fatally flawed or not. He looks hopeless to me.

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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby Prosecutor » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:13 pm

When Valbuena came up the second half of the 2009 season he hit 25 doubles. His BA was only .250 but he looked like a guy with a future. Two years later he looks like he regressed. Very puzzling. Maybe the pitchers found the holes in his swing and he's never been able to adjust.
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby entertheshoe » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:58 pm

A weekend to forget.

If there is a silver lining it is that our upcoming schedule is 4 versus Seattle (53-72) at home, 3 versus Kansas City (52-75) at home, 4 versus Oakland (57-69) at home, and 3 more in Kansas City, setting up a crucial 3 game homestand versus these same Detroit Tigers on September 5th.

We SHOULD (emphasis on SHOULD) be able to creep our way back.
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby Tondo » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:00 pm

See, that's what I meant..this team is too dumb to win important games...Laporta GIDPed weeks back in the 9th with the bases loaded and now doesn't come through again....not the kind of guy I want to see at bat when the game is on the line....he hasn't progressed in his 3rd season in the bigs, a .700-.750 OPS bat at 1B is simply bad...he's busting, let's hope Chisenhall doesn't take the same route as his PH AB the inning before didn't look any better
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby GeronimoSon » Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:42 pm

Laporta's job in that spot was to get a ball to the OF to score the run.. it took a perfect throw and tag to get Kosuke, but, A-Jax was up to the task..

In this case.. like when a batter hits a pitcher's pitch, A-Jax executed the play and ended the game..
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby Magneticnorth451 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:53 pm

LaPorta hit a lazy pop to shallow CF. That, along with slow footed Kosuke and an excellent throw from a perfectly positioned Austin Jackson, ended the game.

I lean more towards Tondo's analysis of LaPorta than a player who I thought could at least hit .260 with 20+ HR power.
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby Prosecutor » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:45 pm

Don't blame LaPorta. He was facing the best closer in the game, who's now 37-for-37.

The problem is Jimenez. This is the third game he started where the Indians scored 7 runs and lost, all by scores of 8-7. After four starts his ERA is 7.21. He's the worst starting pitcher in the majors right now, except for possibly Rick Porcello. Gomez or McAllister could have done better and we'd still have Pomeranz and White. When you have your supposed ace on the mound it shouldn't come down to a guy like LaPorta trying to drive in the 8th run against the top closer in the league.

Just a horrible series. The Tribe got swept, Jimenez was exposed again as a sham, and Hafner got hurt.

I'm hoping Huff's command was off because he only pitched two innings in the last ten days thanks to his last start getting rained out after two innings. When he walked the leadoff hitter on five pitches I could see he didn't have his command, and without that he's got zilch. Maybe he'll have it back in his next start, but it might not matter any more.

Nice comeback after being down 7-0. They didn't give up. With an easier stretch of the schedule coming up they might stick around for a while, but unless Jimenez suddenly fixes some mechanical problem he's developed, we're pretty much cooked.
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby entertheshoe » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:15 am

I finally watched the video of the final play of the game. Does anyone else agree that Fukudome shouldn't have slid and should have just bowled over Avila? He really just looked silly sliding 10 feet away from home plate. Shux...
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby GoTribe028 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:23 am

entertheshoe wrote:I finally watched the video of the final play of the game. Does anyone else agree that Fukudome shouldn't have slid and should have just bowled over Avila? He really just looked silly sliding 10 feet away from home plate. Shux...


I think he simply shouldn't have ran, but thats just me. Since he did I would have liked to see Fuku pounce Avila but the Dome seems to play timid on most plays, on the basepaths and defense.

Like Acta said, "No guts, no glory" or something like that. Still have a lot of games left, we'll see what happens. Got my seats for the September 5th game, would like to remain within 4 (if not better of course) at that point. Tribe does get the Mariners and Royals this week.

Anyone else convinced that the Indians will really attempt to add a bat (or even 2, maybe one coming internally for the bench?) before the month is out? The urgency has been there even before Kipnis was DL'd and before Hafner strained his foot (WTF?). The depth on this team has been put to the test this year. The FO can't really let this team head into September with Shelley Duncan or Matt LaPorta taking the majority of DH at bats....can they?
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby Magneticnorth451 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:05 am

Prosecutor wrote:Don't blame LaPorta. He was facing the best closer in the game, who's now 37-for-37.


That's the first time I've heard Valverde's name mentioned as "best closer in the game." Craig Kimbrell says hello.

The guy is lucky (.248 BABIP) and he's pitching above his head (xFIP 4.19), as evidenced yesterday. He walks too many guys, and he's eventually going to start paying for it. Unfortunately, he should have paid for his wildness yesterday...
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby Prosecutor » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:33 am

Valverde may be lucky and he certainly was yesterday, but he's converted every save opportunity. Kimbrell has five blown saves. I guess it depends what you value more - ERA and K's or just getting the save.
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Re: Indians at Tigers, August 19, 20 & 21

Postby Magneticnorth451 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:45 am

Give me Kimbrell 100% of the time. Better stuff, younger.

And to make this releveant to the thread: Death to the Tigers!
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