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Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Pork Chop Pough » Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:00 am

Entering the series...
Indians: 60-57, 2nd place in AL Central, 2 GB the Tigers. 27-32 on the road. 6-4 in last 10.
White Sox: 60-60, 3rd place in AL Central, 3½ GB the Tigers. 26-33 at home. 8-2 in last 10.
...The Indians won 4 of 5 during an abbreviated home stand, and have gained a full game on Detroit without even playing an official game since Saturday. However, they've been unable to build any space between themselves and the White Sox, who are entering a critical stretch of their schedule against the Indians, Rangers and Angels. The White Sox won the only two games Cleveland has played in Chicago this year, but their home record is still the worst in the American League.

Tuesday, 8:10 ET
Ubaldo Jimenez, RHP (7-9, 4.37) vs. Gavin Floyd, RHP (10-10, 4.53)

Jimenez went 8 innings against the Tigers in his previous start without allowing an earned run. He's 1-0 with a 3.46 ERA in his first two starts with Cleveland. He ended up with a no-decision when he faced the White Sox June 29th with the Rockies, but allowed just 2 runs on 4 hits over 7 innings. • Floyd destroyed his ERA earlier this month when he allowed 10 earned runs in 2.1 innings against the Yankees (it's 3.97 otherwise), but was solid his last time out, allowing 3 runs to the Orioles in 6.2 innings to earn the win. Lefties usually do the most damage against Floyd (.285/.337/.458), but not the Indians -- he's won both starts against Cleveland this year, allowing 1 run in 14.2 innings.

Wednesday, 8:10 ET
Fausto Carmona, RHP (5-12, 5.12) vs. Mark Buehrle, LHP (10-5, 3.06)

The White Sox were the original source of Carmona's personal demons on the mound this year. They've handed him 2 losses and a 20.25 ERA (8 ip, 18 h, 18 er). His ERA against the rest of baseball is 4.19. In 5 second half starts, Carmona is sporting 3.03 ERA and opponents have managed only a .297 OBP. • Buehrle hasn't faced the Indians since he allowed 4 runs in 6 innings against them in a 15-10 win on opening day. Since then he's been enjoying one of the best years of his career -- he hasn't allowed more than 3 earned runs in a game since April 22nd (18 games, 2.46 ERA), and he hasn't been collared with a loss since the Twins beat him 1-0 on June 16th. While lefties can hit for power against him (.407 slg.), their biggest problem has been reaching base against him at all (.257 OBP).

Thursday, 8:10 ET
Justin Masterson, RHP (9-7, 2.69) vs. Philip Humber, RHP (8-8, 3.67)

In Masterson's last 14 trips to the mound, he's allowed more than 3 earned runs only once himself (2.16 ERA, .223/.264/.291 in 87.1 ip). His season numbers against the White Sox (1-2, 1.23 ERA in 22 ip) are a microcosm of his tough luck season. His 5 wins in April are still more than half his season total, as he receives the lowest run support (3.9 runs/game) of anyone on the Tribe staff • Humber's breakthrough season is quickly becoming a thing of the past. He's allowed at least 4 earned runs in 5 straight starts (7.52 ERA, .352 BAA), while taking the loss in 4 of them. He had a no-decision in his last start, but allowed 4 runs on 11 hits in 6 innings in a game lost to Baltimore. Cleveland -- a team he hasn't started against this season -- can present a match-up problem for Humber, who's success has been built on retiring right-handers (.199/.256/.321).

NOTES:
• The Indians hope that Michael Brantley (right wrist) and Jason Kipnis (sore right side) will be ready to play Tuesday. Brantley has not batted in a game since last Tuesday. There's still a chance he could be placed on the DL but if that's the case, his timetable was pushed back 3 days when he pinch-ran on Friday. Kipnis' problem is not considered serious, and he's hit .348/.412/.739 with 5 home runs in 11 August games.
• Carlos Santana is hitting .300/.351/.557 with 11 xbh's over his last 18 games.
• Paul Konerko (sore knee) has missed some innings here and there and is currently relegated to DH duties, but is batting .375/.490/.600 during an 11-game hitting streak.
• AJ Pierzynski sat out the past two games with a sore wrist, but is expected back in the lineup Tuesday. He has 11 hits in his last 18 at-bats with 3 doubles and a home run.
• Juan Pierre has gone hitless just once in his last 15 games, hitting .356/.400/.424 over the stretch.
• Alexis Rios has the worst OPS of all qualifying MLB hitters (.563). Adam Dunn (.590) is 4th worst.

Cleveland is 1-6 against Chicago this season.
Last two series...
5/18 • L • 0-1. Win: Peavy. Loss: Masterson.
5/19 • L • 2-8. Win: Floyd. Loss: Carmona.
7/22 • L • 0-3. Win: Floyd. Loss: Carrasco.
7/24 • L • 2-4. Win: Jackson. Loss: Masterson.

SCOREBOARD WATCH
Twins at Tigers

Tues.: Nick Blackburn (7-9, 4.36) vs. Justin Verlander (17-5, 2.35)
Wed.: Carl Pavano (6-9, 4.55)* vs. Brad Penny (8-9, 4.99)
*Subject to change since the Twins have not officially announced the date of Kevin Slowey's next start.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby jellis » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:33 am

2 of the 3 games are very winnable, Humbers numbers might look solid, but after having him in fantasy I can tell you that last month the wheels have fallen off
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby GeronimoSon » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:35 pm

AJ Pierzynski has been place on the DL with a broken wrist..he will not be in the lineup for the Southsiders for this series.. With Konerko in and out of the lineup.. this is good news for the wahoos as these two guys have been a thorn in the Indians sides for years....

but not for tonight with Konerko. who's been hitting the hell out of the ball will be in this lineup for tonight's game:

Pierre, J, LF
De Aza, A, CF
Konerko, P, DH
Quentin, C, RF
Ramirez, A, SS
Dunn, A, 1B
Flowers, T, C
Beckham, G, 2B
Morel, B, 3B

Keeping the two rabbits at the top of the lineup off the basepaths will be key to winning this game... The Indians counter this lineup with:

Brantley, M, LF
Choo, S, RF
Cabrera, A, SS
Hafner, T, DH
Santana, C, 1B
Fukudome, K, CF
Donald, J, 2B
Chisenhall, L, 3B
Marson, L, C

The pain in the Kipper's side is keeping him out of tonight's lineup. With a RHSP for the Sox, Manny is going with Santana at 1B and Jason Donald at 2B.. Should be a war..
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Prosecutor » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:54 pm

Tribe going with Marson at C and Santana at 1B rather than Santana/LaPorta. Normally the Marson/Santana lineup is when a left-hander is pitching. I wonder if Acta is growing disenchanted with LaPorta's offensive problems and wants to get Marson behind the plate to control the White Sox running game.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Prosecutor » Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:09 pm

Sox are 10th in AL in runs scored. With Pierzynski out they're probably not that good. After Konerko (27 HR, 82 RB) and Quinn (24 HR, 75 RBI), they don't have anybody that scares you offensively.

The Tribe needs to figure out Floyd and get some runs off him. He's good, but only 1 run in over 14 innings? They should do better than that against a right-hander with a 4.53 ERA.

It would really help if we could get Kipnis back in there. Fortunately Brantley is back. I love the first six hitters in our lineup against a right-handed starter: Brantley, Choo, ACab, Hafner, Santana, and Fuku. No reason why we shouldn't be able to get four runs in seven innings off Floyd.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby GeronimoSon » Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:42 pm

Prosecutor wrote:Sox are 10th in AL in runs scored. With Pierzynski out they're probably not that good. After Konerko (27 HR, 82 RB) and Quinn (24 HR, 75 RBI), they don't have anybody that scares you offensively.

The Tribe needs to figure out Floyd and get some runs off him. He's good, but only 1 run in over 14 innings? They should do better than that against a right-hander with a 4.53 ERA.

It would really help if we could get Kipnis back in there. Fortunately Brantley is back. I love the first six hitters in our lineup against a right-handed starter: Brantley, Choo, ACab, Hafner, Santana, and Fuku. No reason why we shouldn't be able to get four runs in seven innings off Floyd.
For no other reason than he's hotter than a firecracker, the Indians have to take Konerko out of the mix for this game. No was does he get anything to hit.. make the other 8 bozo's beat us if they can.. but it can't be Paulie...
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Hermie13 » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:11 pm

Prosecutor wrote:Tribe going with Marson at C and Santana at 1B rather than Santana/LaPorta. Normally the Marson/Santana lineup is when a left-hander is pitching. I wonder if Acta is growing disenchanted with LaPorta's offensive problems and wants to get Marson behind the plate to control the White Sox running game.


White Sox have the 3rd fewest steals of any AL team....and the worst SB% as a team at 59%. Only 1 other team is even under 70 and that's Cleveland. Not sure Marson starting has anything to do with controlling the White Sox run game....though guess you never know.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby entertheshoe » Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:17 pm

Great.

The stream I'm watching is the White Sox broadcasters.

After 2 "he gone"s, I already have a headache.

Gonna be a long night.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby A.Zajac » Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:26 pm

It's going to be a long night just based upon our bats and fielding so far.... :drinks:
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Hermie13 » Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:29 pm

A.Zajac wrote:It's going to be a long night just based upon our bats and fielding so far.... :drinks:


Agree. Defense has been terrible lately. Only saving grace is Detroit is in front of us and has a porous infield as well...
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby indianinkslinger » Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:33 pm

I just don't see why Santana plays 1B instead of LaPorta. Santana is terrible defensively and LaPorta hits RH pitcing much better than Marson and is light years ahead of Santana on defense. Looks like the day off did not improve Acta's decision making. :bad:

How about replacing Fields with Nunnally? Clearly Acta likes to watch his team strike out 5 hitters in a row against a lame ass pitcher or he would not have made the stupid move to begin with! :aggressive:
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby criznit2009 » Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:52 pm

Is it possible that LaPorta is banged up a little? Seems odd he didn't get the start. I guess he does give you a decent PH option later in the game if needed but that hardly seems to be enough of a reason.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby entertheshoe » Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:20 pm

Wow, Choo hits what should have been a double but Ramirez interferes with Brantley rounding 2nd and Choo pulls up the breaks. Brantley is given the free pass to third but Choo is stuck at 1st.

Good strategy. Let's put a linebacker at SS and take out the lead baserunner so that only that one baserunner gets to advance. Would be perfect for a 1st and 2nd situation. BRILLIANT!

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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Pork Chop Pough » Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:31 pm

indianinkslinger wrote:How about replacing Fields with Nunnally? Clearly Acta likes to watch his team strike out 5 hitters in a row against a lame ass pitcher or he would not have made the stupid move to begin with! :aggressive:

I was never impressed with Nunnally, but it's true that the offense has only gotten worse under Fields. It's odd that the strikeouts were the thing they seemed to harp on as Nunnally's shortcoming (along with his methodology), yet the biggest difference between the offense then and the offense now is that they are striking out way more often. In the first 69 games under Nunnally, they struck out 7.3 times per game. In the 47 games since Fields took over (not counting the day between their regimes), they have 8.3 K/game. They also scored 4.3 runs/game in the first 69 and 4.1 runs/game since. Statistically, looking at the offense as a whole, they've literally done nothing better since firing Nunnally.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby entertheshoe » Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:35 pm

Pork Chop Pough wrote:
indianinkslinger wrote:How about replacing Fields with Nunnally? Clearly Acta likes to watch his team strike out 5 hitters in a row against a lame ass pitcher or he would not have made the stupid move to begin with! :aggressive:

I was never impressed with Nunnally, but it's true that the offense has only gotten worse under Fields. It's odd that the strikeouts were the thing they seemed to harp on as Nunnally's shortcoming (along with his methodology), yet the biggest difference between the offense then and the offense now is that they are striking out way more often. In the first 69 games under Nunnally, they struck out 7.3 times per game. In the 47 games since Fields took over (not counting the day between their regimes), they have 8.3 K/game. They also scored 4.3 runs/game in the first 69 and 4.1 runs/game since. Statistically, looking at the offense as a whole, they've literally done nothing better since firing Nunnally.


I think you guys are giving hitting coaches too much credit.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby indians1 » Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:59 pm

Jimenez better get his act together. He has had 2 bad starts and 1 good start. We traded for him to help this year and the next 2-3 years.

We need him to be our stopper and a guy like verlander where when he pitches-you expect him to win. We made the trade because we thought we could win this year and if he pitches inconsistently then the trade starts to look more questionable.

Pomeranz at the earliest would have been up next June or July. Alex White- was not going to pitch the rest of this year so i get it. You wanted to try and win now and the next year or 2. If that doesn't happen this year, then you traded 2 prize prospects who may be ready to help next year and defnitely by 2013.

I came out in favor of the trade because i thought jimenez solidified the rotation. He needs to be more consistent. We need to know that when him and masterson take the mound- we expect to win. That is how you start getting on a run and win alot of games.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Pork Chop Pough » Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:00 pm

entertheshoe wrote:
Pork Chop Pough wrote:
indianinkslinger wrote:How about replacing Fields with Nunnally? Clearly Acta likes to watch his team strike out 5 hitters in a row against a lame ass pitcher or he would not have made the stupid move to begin with! :aggressive:

I was never impressed with Nunnally, but it's true that the offense has only gotten worse under Fields. It's odd that the strikeouts were the thing they seemed to harp on as Nunnally's shortcoming (along with his methodology), yet the biggest difference between the offense then and the offense now is that they are striking out way more often. In the first 69 games under Nunnally, they struck out 7.3 times per game. In the 47 games since Fields took over (not counting the day between their regimes), they have 8.3 K/game. They also scored 4.3 runs/game in the first 69 and 4.1 runs/game since. Statistically, looking at the offense as a whole, they've literally done nothing better since firing Nunnally.


I think you guys are giving hitting coaches too much credit.

Normally I give them very little credit at all, but you when you identify a primary problem with the last one, and instead of making progress at solving that problem, it gets 14% worse... well, that's a problem... and not an insignificant one.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby GeronimoSon » Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:29 pm

This game is a good old fashioned, down in the dirt, fight to the finish...Laz Diaz has been inconsistent (that was NOT a strike to Asdrubal.. it just wasn't).. Alexi Ramirez tackles Brantley going around second base w/ choo not getting second base after stopping on his way to second, a ball outside the bag at first is called a fair allowing the CWSox to take back the lead..and Choo's throw nailed De Aza at third, with Chiz slapping the tag down before his hand touched the bag and he was called safe..and the Indians KEEP PITCHING TO KONERKO.. STOP DOING THAT !!..

In other words.. it looks like the Indians are playing 8 on 12. Making fundamental mistakes and letting the CWSox score just about ever inning... With Tigers winning.. the Indians need to find a way to win this game..
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Hermie13 » Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:31 pm

indianinkslinger wrote:I just don't see why Santana plays 1B instead of LaPorta. Santana is terrible defensively and LaPorta hits RH pitcing much better than Marson and is light years ahead of Santana on defense. Looks like the day off did not improve Acta's decision making. :bad:


:rolleyes: light years ahead huh? yeah, ok....

Agree on the offense (LaPorta vs Marson) though. Marson just looks lost against righties.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby A.Zajac » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:04 am

Man did we need that DP in the worst possible way... if we can squeeze a run out here in the 11th, bring CP back in for the bottom half of the inning.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby A.Zajac » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:08 am

Cue Brantley and Choo the rally killers.... Choo still looks lost at the plate and is swinging at balls. Brantley still doesn't look healthy..
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:10 am

A.Zajac wrote:Cue Brantley and Choo the rally killers.... Choo still looks lost at the plate and is swinging at balls. Brantley still doesn't look healthy..


Yeah Choo definitely looks as though he could have used a few more rehab games to get his timing back. Brantley...well, he hasn't looked right against lefties all year unfortunately. Wrist injury can't be helping matters either...
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:18 am

Thank you Lillebridge! :drinks:
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Bearcatbob » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:19 am

Hermie13 wrote:Thank you Lillebridge! :drinks:


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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby entertheshoe » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:23 am

What an epic game tonight. Seriously, neither team wants to lose this one.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby A.Zajac » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:56 am

Choo strikes out with the bases loaded...... Same old, same old.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby A.Zajac » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:58 am

Bases loaded, one out... and you fail to score. We deserve to lose this game.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:06 am

A.Zajac wrote:Bases loaded, one out... and you fail to score. We deserve to lose this game.


Both teams do. They had a runner on 3rd with NO OUTS earlier and didn't score...turrible
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:41 am

Anyone else just see the replay of Choo's groundout in the 9th? Holding that finger while standing on 1st....didn't look good at all...
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby entertheshoe » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:44 am

I'm honestly surprised that we didn't get annihilated this game. The Sox had 25 at bats with runners in scoring position. That's insane. 11 extra base hits allowed by Tribe pitching wasn't too good either. The adventures of Choo in the outfield continue. As good as his arm is, just playing it safe could have really turned at least 3 of those triples into doubles. Instead, he took poor paths toward the ball all night. Talk about a black hole at the bottom of the lineup too. 6-9 hitters were 1 for 18. Where are you Kipnis? Come back to us!
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Chip Davis » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:11 am

What a horrible game! Poorly played and poorly umped(mild understatement).
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Prosecutor » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:29 am

The reason we traded our top two prospects for Ubaldo is so he could win games like these. We're playing a team that's nipping at our heels and we're also trying to keep pace with the top dog. We manage to score 7 runs in 9 innings against a pretty good pitcher that has handled us in the past. All we need from our starter is to go 7 innings and hold them to 4 or 5 runs. We don't need Verlander tonight - just a mediocre Fausto Carmona 7 and 4.

Ubaldo comes out with nothing and can't even go 5 innings against a team that's 10th of 14 in runs scored and is missing their top left-handed bat. WTF? Then Herrmann gives up two more.

Next year when we have Judy or Hagadone or Chen Lee in Herrmann's spot we win this game despite Ubaldo.

Considering Kipnis and Sizemore are out and Choo and Brantley aren't 100%, they did well to score 7 runs in 9 innings, especially coming from behind about three times. We just needed Ubaldo to be mediocre. Or a better middle reliever than Frank the Tank, who tanked again.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby GeronimoSon » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:05 am

As is the case with SP's.. Ubaldo didn't have his fastball command.. without that, he is not even going to rise to the level of a mediocre Fausto.. Truth be told, Laz Diaz wasn't giving him the low strike. Ubaldo's fastball has a lot of sink to it, while Gavin Floyd's doesn't. It was due to this difference that Floyd was getting the calls while Ubaldo wasn't. Tony Sipp was absolutely right in blowing his top..Manny Acta isn't a manager that shows many of the histrionics of some of the more colorful managers.. When Manny comes out to argue a call, it's because the call was wrong.. Manny came out three times last night. THREE TIMES!!. In the last month, I don't recall Manny coming out three times. There were at least seven calls that went against (most were blatantly wrong) the Indians last night and it still took extra innings to decide the outcome. If ever there was a protest protocol that had some teeth, this game would be used as a case study..

Tonight, it's Fausto going against Buehrle.. Not a good match up for the Indians. Fausto has been PUMMELED by the CWSox this year, and Buehrle always seems to have the Indians number.. Squeaking out a win tonight doesn't look very promising...
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby danh8 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:44 am

[quote="Chip Davis"]What a horrible game! Poorly played and poorly umped(mild understatement).[/quote

Ranks up there with one of the worst called games I've ever watched. But, what made it particularly bad was that 90% of the horrible calls went aqgainst the Indians. Nobody in Chicago is upset at the way the game was called.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Prosecutor » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:38 pm

Agree the Tribe got jobbed but don't agree that Ubaldo wasn't getting the low strike. Most of the balls called on him where nowhere in the vicinity of the strike zone. Marson was diving all over the place back there. Just a bad performance by Ubaldo.

I suppose I expect him to go 7 innings and give up 5 runs on his bad days and look like an All-Star on his good days. I would have been fine with 7 and 5 last night, then bring in some combination of Sipp, Raffie, Smith, Vinnie and Rage to close out the 7-5 win. The problem was that Ubaldo got knocked out early so Manny had to bring in Herrmann, who gave up the two runs that pushed the game into extra innings.

Carmona got hammered by the Sox on Opening Day. That was a long time ago. Lately he's been more effective with a 3.03 ERA his last five starts. If he can pitch around Konerko I'm optimistic he can keep us in the game. Buehrle however, is a huge problem. Pitchers like him own the Tribe.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:47 pm

Umps aside, the Indians shot themselves in foot too many times. The 1st inning set the table. Easy grounder to AC and he boots it. Then Brantley does his best Kearns impression and allows the runner to get to 3rd. And Santana not getting that hard grounder to him (albeit did look like he was blocked). Numerous other piss poor play throughout the game, but you can't come out in the 1st inning and play like little leaguers and spot the opposition a run.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby BrianM » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:21 pm

I hope everyone had a chance to listen to Jody Gerut tonight in the box. What a cool dude.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Bearcatbob » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:12 pm

Fausto is dealing. He is seriously into this game. I am impressed.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby entertheshoe » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:32 pm

It's a good thing that the Tribe management is much less into knee-jerk reactions than people on this board are.

Fausto is lights out right now. Welcome back Carmona. :angel:
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:06 pm

Great start by Carmona. Shaky bottom of the 9th in Detroit but the Twins hang to as well. Guaranteed to leave Chicago in 2nd place now and could be only 1.5 behind Detroit heading there for the weekend :drinks:

Like the way our rotation is set up for the rest of the trip too. Masterson going tomorrow then Tomlin in a LARGE park . Jimenez closing out the trip too. Big 4 games here
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Pork Chop Pough » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:20 pm

Last week –– 14 inning game, next day: Jimenez pitches 8 innings, 0 earned runs –– victory.
Last night –– 14 inning game, next day: Carmona pitches 8.1 innings, 1 run –– victory.

…with a grueling schedule the rest of the way, an overworked bullpen could take a week or two to recover from. These performances haven't just saved games and the bullpen that day, they're going to save the team down the stretch.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby danh8 » Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:12 am

Ranks up there as one of Fausto's best performances in a very BIG game, in his time as an Indians starter. At times I've seriously doubted whether he had it in him to come through like he did tonight. But, am glad to say that he was up for the challenge tonight, and this could go down as one of the most important games of the season, quite frankly.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Bearcatbob » Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:27 am

Pork Chop Pough wrote:Last week –– 14 inning game, next day: Jimenez pitches 8 innings, 0 earned runs –– victory.
Last night –– 14 inning game, next day: Carmona pitches 8.1 innings, 1 run –– victory.

…with a grueling schedule the rest of the way, an overworked bullpen could take a week or two to recover from. These performances haven't just saved games and the bullpen that day, they're going to save the team down the stretch.


Me thinks come September 1 - the Columbus roster will be severly raided - particularly for bull pen talent. Last year the tribe let Columbus keep some players for their playoffs. This year - priority one will be Cle.

We may get to see some Akron players get their AAA test by fire.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby GeronimoSon » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:57 am

Bearcatbob wrote:
Pork Chop Pough wrote:Last week –– 14 inning game, next day: Jimenez pitches 8 innings, 0 earned runs –– victory.
Last night –– 14 inning game, next day: Carmona pitches 8.1 innings, 1 run –– victory.

…with a grueling schedule the rest of the way, an overworked bullpen could take a week or two to recover from. These performances haven't just saved games and the bullpen that day, they're going to save the team down the stretch.


Me thinks come September 1 - the Columbus roster will be severly raided - particularly for bull pen talent. Last year the tribe let Columbus keep some players for their playoffs. This year - priority one will be Cle.

We may get to see some Akron players get their AAA test by fire.
The last regular season games for the International League are on September 5th followed by the playoffs. The finale of the AAA season is on September 20th in the AAA National Championship, one game, winner take all, showdown in Albuquerque, home of the Isotopes. The Clippers are assured of a spot in the playoffs where, possibly like the Cleveland Indians and others, everyone starts at 0-0.

Raiding the Clippers roster this year is not only likely, but will be needed. Last season, the Indians were not in the mix for a playoff spot, so, the Clippers were given latitude to keep the team intact to pursue the AAA championship which they did on September 21st of 2010. This year, it would not be surprising to see about four call ups to the major league roster (Nick Hagadone, Josh Judy, Cord Phelps, Shelly Duncan) on the first day rosters are permitted to expand followed by an additional group of players as needed (perhaps JeanMar Gomez, Zack McAllister, and extra C). The return of Carlos Carrasco will also have a bearing on which starter could get an added cup of coffee.

Did everyone else send in their payment for the Indians playoff tix?.. :s_thumbsup
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby GeronimoSon » Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:23 am

Notes/Observations from Game 2 of the CWSox series:

FAUSTO !!.. what a performance. After getting shelled by these guys earlier in the season, Fausto turned in one of his most dominating starts of his year. There is no doubt that Fausto is becoming a consistent pitcher (his last 6 starts, he is 2-2 with a 2.63 ERA). He has almost completely abandoned throwing that damn slider that hangs in the middle of the plate saying "HIT ME HARD". In its place is a "wicked pissah" of a change up that goes very well with his sinking fastball and four seam express. It was lovely to watch Paulie Konerko flail away helplessly at that change up last night.. a BRILLIANT performance, going deep into the game after that disheartening 14 inning marathon the night before.

Jason Donald needs to continue to play more.. PERIOD (part dieux)

Shin-soo "Big League" Choo was stinging the ball last night. This was his best game since his return from the broken thumb. The other lefties in the lineup had a good night, as well

With the win last night, coupled with the Tigers falling short against the Twins (phew.. just barely), The AL Central standings are exactly where they were to start this series. The big difference, Justin Verlander won't be around to bail out the Tigers until Monday of next week while the Indians are sending Justin Masterson to the hill with the pill tonight. The tigers have the day off today, so the Indians may only be able to gain another half game on them entering this crucial weekend series...

Go Tribe!..
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby GhostofTedCox » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:35 am

Big win by Fausto. Huge. I hope that start brings him confidence for the rest of the season. Got to keep the battery of Carmona and Marson together. Lou really handled him well.

Watch Masty nail down the series today. That would be great to bring that momentum into Detroit for the weekend.
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Hermie13 » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:34 pm

GeronimoSon wrote:Jason Donald needs to continue to play more.. PERIOD (part dieux)


This is an interesting debate. he struggled against righties last year and doesn't have a hit against one this year (though extremely small sample). In 96 career plate appearances against lefties Donald is hitting .305 with an .882 OPS.

Then again, Hannahn has been very solid against lefties this year and in 87 plate appearances is hitting .299 with an .847 OPS (while playing GG caliber defense at 3B).

And Kipnis? Well small sample but isn't sucking against lefties either batting .286 with a .776 OPS in the bigs.

Could really use all 3 in the lineup against lefties....
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby Bearcatbob » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:27 pm

Hey gang - good game tonight - we need to hit for Masterson!
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Re: Indians at White Sox, August 16, 17 & 18

Postby TonyIBI » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:18 am

Nice series win. Just keep winning series' and everything will take care of itself. Indians tied with the Tigers in the all important loss column...take two of three they would still be a half game out but technically in the lead and control own destiny.
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