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Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Pork Chop Pough » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:28 pm

Entering the series...
Indians: 36-31, 2nd place in AL Central, 1 GB the Tigers. 20-12 at home. 3-7 in last 10.
Pirates: 35-33, 4th place in NL Central, 3 GB the Brewers. 20-15 on the road. 7-3 in last 10.
...The Indians dropped out of 1st place this week for the first time since April 6th. Since completing a home sweep of the Reds on May 22nd, Cleveland has lost 6 of 7 series. These may not be your dad's doormat variety Pirates. Their offense does rank bottom-3 in almost all major categories, but the pitching staff has the 5th best ERA in the NL, and the team is riding a 4-game winning streak, coming off a sweep of last place Houston.

Friday, 7:05 ET
Josh Tomlin, RHP (7-4, 4.14 ERA) vs. Kevin Correia, RHP (8-5, 3.73 ERA)

Tomlin will attempt to stretch his team record of 5+ inning starts from the start of a career to 26, but that doesn't mean he's been the giving team quality starts lately. He's matched a career-worst 6 ER allowed in each of his past 3 starts, posting a 9.53 ERA over a stretch in which opponents are hitting .387/.392/.587. • Correia is in his 9th season in the NL, but has never faced the Indians. He'll work with 5 pitches -- a 90-93 mph fastball, slider, cutter, curve and changeup. His slider had always been considered his best breaking pitch, but he's developed his curve over the past 3 years to where he now throws it more than the slider. He seems at home on the road, where he's 7-1 with a 2.42 ERA.

Saturday, 7:05 ET
Carlos Carrasco, RHP (6-3, 4.09 ERA) vs. Paul Maholm, LHP (3-7, 3.12 ERA)

The Indians have just two wins in their last 11 games, and have Carrasco to thank for that. He's pitched back-to-back 1-0 victories, and being matched up against a weak lineup and tough but tough-luck lefty, it's not outside the realm of possibility it happens again. He enters the game with a 15.2 scoreless inning streak. • Maholm gets the 4th lowest run support in the NL (in his 7 losses, the team has scored 7 runs). Something has to give in this one, as Maholm has 13 consecutive shutout innings, allowing just 4 hits, and over his last four games opponents are hitting .156/.221/.219, resulting in a 1.95 ERA.

Sunday, 1:05 ET
Justin Masterson, RHP (5-5, 3.16 ERA) vs. Jeff Karstens, RHP (4-4, 2.66 ERA)

Masterson continues his search for his first win since April. He's allowed only 2 ER in each of his last 2 starts, but still took a loss and a ND. He should be relieved to see a Pittsburgh lineup mostly devoid of dangerous left-handed bats, as they've hit more than 100 pts. higher against him (.308 v LH / .204 v RH). • Karstens is the third pitcher of the series who hasn't allowed a run to score in his past two starts. He hasn't been scored on in his past 15 ip, and has an 0.44 ERA over his past 3 starts, in which opponents are hitting .157/.181/.186. In fact, Karstens hasn't allowed more than 2 earned runs in any of his past 8 starts, and he's only given up more than 3 earned runs once all season. He's been at his best against right-handed bats (.212 baa), so he could be at a disadvantage (.288 v LH) against the Indians lefty-heavy lineup.

NOTES:
• Travis Hafner (oblique) has been activated from the DL. Travis Buck was optioned to Columbus. In 31 games as Cleveland's DH this season, Hafner is hitting .345/.405/.549. All other Cleveland DH's this year are batting .213 over 36 games.
• Pittsburgh's .377 winning percentage all-time in interleague play is the worst in the game.
• The Pirates 20 road victories this season are already 3 more than they had all of last year, when they set the modern day record for worst record on the road.
• Andrew McCutchen has been a one-man wrecking crew for the Pittsburgh offense. He leads the team in runs, hits, 2b, 3b, hr, ba, obp, slg and is 2nd in steals. He also enters the series with a 15-game hitting streak, in which he's batting .480/.565/.660.
• Pittsburgh's closer Joel Hanrahan isn't exactly a household name, but he's converted all 19 save opportunities this season and is sporting a 0.990 WHIP. Last year he struck out 100 in 69.2 ip, pitching predominantly in a setup role.
• Danny Moskos, the universally panned 4th overall pick of the 2007 draft is now making positive contributions to Pittsburgh's pitching staff... as a reliever. He's allowed only 1 earned run in his first 11.1 MLB innings, but while he's had success against right-handers (3-for-22, 5 bb, 2 k), the lefty can't get lefties out (6-for-19).
• The Pirates designated former Indians catcher Wyatt Toregas for assignment earlier this week. He had gone 0-for-4 in a 3-game stint with Pittsburgh.

This is the only series this season between the designated interleague rivals.
2010 Results (1-2)
6/18 • W: 4-3 • Win: F. Carmona. Loss: P. Maholm
6/19 • L: 6-4 • Win: J. Karstens. Loss: D. Huff
6/20 • L: 5-3 • Win: B. Donnelly. Loss: J. Lewis
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Bearcatbob » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:47 pm

As before - Mr. Chop - thanks for your starting post. You do a fine job.

Well - LaPorta is down - opportunity just knocked for someone. Any ideas? How about Santana to 1b and Marson plays 1st string catcher and we call up another catcher?
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:51 pm

Bearcatbob wrote:As before - Mr. Chop - thanks for your starting post. You do a fine job.

Well - LaPorta is down - opportunity just knocked for someone. Any ideas? How about Santana to 1b and Marson plays 1st string catcher and we call up another catcher?


It's a possibility, but I'd bet they'd call up Duncan or Nick Johnson.... my money's on Johnson.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby entertheshoe » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:04 pm

dazindiansfanuk wrote:
Bearcatbob wrote:As before - Mr. Chop - thanks for your starting post. You do a fine job.

Well - LaPorta is down - opportunity just knocked for someone. Any ideas? How about Santana to 1b and Marson plays 1st string catcher and we call up another catcher?


It's a possibility, but I'd bet they'd call up Duncan or Nick Johnson.... my money's on Johnson.


Ouch. That sucks. Probably Duncan again. Yippy.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Prosecutor » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:03 pm

Good to see Tomlin bounce back from three consecutive bad outings, even if it is against one of the weakest hitting teams in baseball.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby criznit2009 » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:35 pm

Welcome back Mr. Hafner!!!! :yahoo: Or should I say PRONK?
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Bearcatbob » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:45 pm

criznit2009 wrote:Welcome back Mr. Hafner!!!! :yahoo: Or should I say PRONK?


Maybe welcome back Mr. Santana too!
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby entertheshoe » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:47 pm

Bold move by the Pirates to intentionally walk Choo to face Santana with 0 outs and the bases loaded, especially with Santana hitting a homer already today.

And Santana comes through very nicely.

I'm surprised that Tomlin got taken out after just 85 pitches but when you have Pestano, Smith, Sipp, and Perez x 2 pitching like they have it's hard to complain.

As I'm typing this Everett strikes out. God I hope he doesn't become a regular player with LaPorta injured. At the same time though I say good job Everett at only striking out - wasn't a double play at least.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby MadThinker88 » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:52 pm

entertheshoe wrote:
dazindiansfanuk wrote:
Bearcatbob wrote:As before - Mr. Chop - thanks for your starting post. You do a fine job.

Well - LaPorta is down - opportunity just knocked for someone. Any ideas? How about Santana to 1b and Marson plays 1st string catcher and we call up another catcher?


It's a possibility, but I'd bet they'd call up Duncan or Nick Johnson.... my money's on Johnson.


Ouch. That sucks. Probably Duncan again. Yippy.


Doubt a catcher gets called up - only 2 (Santana & Marson) on the roster.
If your adding someone to the roster - look to Nick Johnson.

Duncan and Goedert are on the 40 man at this point so I think its between one of them.

The outside chance of adding Chiz has been flushed - it appears that Chiz was put on the AAA DL with a concussion.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Bearcatbob » Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:02 pm

Isn't good baseball fun!
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Pork Chop Pough » Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:05 pm

Pork Chop Pough wrote:• Danny Moskos, the universally panned 4th overall pick of the 2007 draft is now making positive contributions to Pittsburgh's pitching staff... as a reliever. He's allowed only 1 earned run in his first 11.1 MLB innings, but while he's had success against right-handers (3-for-22, 5 bb, 2 k), the lefty can't get lefties out (6-for-19).

I love it when the players make it look like I know what I'm talking about.

A lot of mediocrity from the lineup yet tonight, but this game just had the feel of the wins earlier in the season. They grabbed the early lead, Tomlin was back to his old magic, and between him and the bullpen, it seemed a foregone conclusion that Pittsburgh wasn't putting any crooked numbers up on the board. Agree with whoever mentioned it earlier though, at only 85 pitches and a catcher at the plate who's really not a major league hitter, I'm not sure why Tomlin wasn't given the chance to finish the 7th. Not really complaining, though.

Santana looked fantastic, the only problem was he kept hitting the ball too hard -- twice the runners didn't have time to take the extra base.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Pork Chop Pough » Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:13 pm

Pirates record when Andrew McCutchen gets a hit: 30-18
Pirates record when Andrew McCutchen doesn't get a hit: 5-16
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby entertheshoe » Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:17 pm

Pork Chop Pough wrote:Pirates record when Andrew McCutchen gets a hit: 30-18
Pirates record when Andrew McCutchen doesn't get a hit: 5-16


So for games 2 and 3 we should walk McCutchen every time?

P.S. Detroit is getting shlacked by Colorado. First place, we meet agayne.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby TonyIBI » Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:11 am

If LaPorta goes on the DL, we may see Nick Johnson sooner than we thought. We need an everyday 1B, and he is the only legit option (Duncan is not). Santana can play some 1B, but not everyday. Even a Santana/Duncan combination would be silly if you ask me (Duncan is brutal defensively at 1B). Hopefully LaPorta doesn't go on the DL, but if he does I think the only move is Johnson right now......or they play Hannahan at 1B?
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Edible14 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:31 am

TonyIPI wrote:If LaPorta goes on the DL, we may see Nick Johnson sooner than we thought. We need an everyday 1B, and he is the only legit option (Duncan is not). Santana can play some 1B, but not everyday. Even a Santana/Duncan combination would be silly if you ask me (Duncan is brutal defensively at 1B). Hopefully LaPorta doesn't go on the DL, but if he does I think the only move is Johnson right now......or they play Hannahan at 1B?


If Hannahan is at 1B, then who's playing 3B. The possible answers to that question are all, at the moment, shudder-inducing. Except perhaps for Chis, but he's hurt now and hasn't been playing well.

Johnson, I have worries about. He hasn't been back long, and is still on a limited schedule. I'm not sure I'd count him as everyday-ready. Duncan is bad defensively. I don't know how much time Goedert has had there, so he's the wild card to me. He might be worth a two week tryout, since he's 40 man friendly (no spots need be created, no need to clear through waivers if/when called down). Plus, I would like to see if Goedert can be a big league option and perhaps replace Everett or Phelps and become a decent RH bat/corner utility guy off the bench.

Let's just hope that LaPorta isn't hurt too bad.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby entertheshoe » Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:35 am

The more I think about it, the more Nick Johnson makes sense. At first I thought Duncan would be the obvious choice because LaPorta was a right handed bat, but a platoon of Santana versus lefties and Johnson versus righties makes sense with as well that Marson has caught this year. If (and it's a big if imo) Hannahan becomes the guy at 1st, I would hope that Donald gets the call so we don't see an everyday Everett at 3rd. But Jack's defense is just too good at 3rd for that move to be worth it.

Still, I really hope it's not too bad for Laporta even though it looked awful. This year is a huge year for him to determine if he's legit.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby hoof32 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:43 am

I'm quite often wrong about these things, but...

Nick Johnson is not gonna hit!! :s_mad

Must replace Laporta with at least an equalivalent bat.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby hoof32 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:45 am

If Matt LaPorta has to go on the DL, it says here it'll be either Shelly Duncan or Jared Goedert. :dunno:
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby TonyIBI » Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:48 am

Forgot about Goedert. He could be the easy short term option.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby hoof32 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:45 am

...well, at least I'm good for SOMETHING around here... :fool:
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Prosecutor » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:49 am

I'd play Santana at first and have Marson catch every day. That way we keep Hanny's glove at 3rd and don't hurt the defense at first. We improve the defense at catcher. The tradeoff is LaPorta's bat for Marson's, which is the only negative.

Another possibility is to bring up Valbuena and his red-hot bat and have him play 3rd with Hanny at 1st. You have Valbs' bat in the lineup instead of Marson's, but the defense suffers.

You don't suppose they'll do nothing and have Everett play 3rd and Hanny 1st, do you? That would be an option if LaPorta is only expected to be out a week or so.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Bearcatbob » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:51 am

"You don't suppose they'll do nothing and have Everett play 3rd and Hanny 1st, do you? That would be an option if LaPorta is only expected to be out a week or so."

No no no no no no no!
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby GeronimoSon » Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:30 am

It does look like Laporta will be on the 15 day DL. In a slow mo replay of the injury, it looks like a high ankle sprain. So that begs the question.. what to do over the next two plus weeks?..

The suggestion that Santana would be getting more time at 1B with Marson behind the plate on a regular basis seems to be the best outcome for the short term. This would improve the defense considerably while adding a RH bat to the order. Probably the most likely scenario. In the event a RHSP is on the hill, then Hannahan can slide over to 1B, Cord can get time at 3B and Adam Everett will be the utility infielder.

If this comes to pass, then the next question becomes, who takes LaPorta's spot on the 25 man roster?:

1. Zeke Carrera would provide the Indians with a "weapon" off the bench in the form of a defensive specialist, pinch runner, pinch hitter and give the Indians the chance to give Grady the days off he needs to maintain his health. Under National League rules, this would give Manny the kind of versatility he needs to adequately manage the game to the fullest extent.

2. Jared Goedert: as mentioned above, this would give the Indians a direct replacement for LaPorta in his spot/role. Not the worst idea, but certainly more risky than the Zeke Carrera move.

3. Play Hafner at 1B for six or seven of the nine games during the road trip to National League parks. Obviously, this is the riskiest play, but keeps the BIG bat of Hafner in the lineup instead of having an imposing pinch hitter. If we start to hear about Hafner taking ground balls during the next day or two, that could be the move. Add either selection 1 or selection 4 to cover the roster spot...

4. Promote Luis Valbuena: Similar to the Zeke move, however, not as appealing from a defensive standpoint. Valbuena's bat in Columbus has exploded. Perhaps, by promoting Valbuena, the Indians can show case his ability, thereby increasing his value if a trade at the deadline is contemplated.

5. Do nothing.. The sprain may feel loads better by the time this note is posted.. making much ado about nothing..

In order: 4, 1 5, 2, and 3 would be the choices... :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby GhostofTedCox » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:33 am

I've banged this drum before; but how about Jerad Head? Play him where you need him and watch him drive the ball.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Pork Chop Pough » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:48 am

GhostofTedCox wrote:I've banged this drum before; but how about Jerad Head? Play him where you need him and watch him drive the ball.

But he's been almost exclusively an outfielder for two years now (and doesn't play any position very well)... so they don't "need him" anywhere.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby criznit2009 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:44 pm

If LaPorta does hit the DL, I hope they call up Goedert if he is 100% healthy. Johnson would be ok, but has been so limited, not sure he would be ready for everyday ML play. Rather wait on Johnson until its no question that he is good to go. How far out is Donald, if he is ready soon, could see him and Hanny at 3B and Hanny/Santana at 1B too.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby indianinkslinger » Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:41 pm

Just some thoughts on the LaPorta situation. I think he is sure to go on the DL. Would like to be wrong but the replays show definite movement in the ankle. There are not a lot of good options right now IMO.

The first that comes to mind is this is what we made the deal with Nick Johnson for. The problem with that is that Johnson really does not look ready for the MLs. He has not been back two weeks yet. He is a vet and has some talent when healthy but he has been out a long time. I think putting him on the 25 at this time would be a mistake. Maybe in a few weeks if LaPorta's injury is a LT thing.

Jared Goedert does not look anywhere near ML ready. Not sure he ever will be but he has a place on the 40 and might fill a purpose for the short term until Johnson is ready. Awfully hard to hide that defense though even though he hits LHP well and might have some use at DH/3B if needed.

Valbuena could probably fill in at 3B for the short term but certainly is no Hannahan defensively. He is on the 40 and might be a short term option. It seems to me that it might be a nice corresponding move along with Huffman replacing Kearns since huffman can play 1B as well. Of course, Huffman is not a great defender at 1B or LF.

Glad I don't have to make this decision but the best option migh be a combination of all three depending on the severity of LaPorta's injury. :dunno:
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Chip Davis » Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:22 pm

Someone would have to be removed from the 40 man, but Huffman's ability to play LF, RF, and 1B may give him an opportunity with interleague play in NL parks. I wouldn't be surprised to see Buck again either.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Hermie13 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:39 pm

Still think Duncan is the most logical option should LaPorta hit the DL. He's on the 40-man and Acta did say he won't be down for long. Agree, his defense isn't the best, but still think he's the guy you see at least short-term.

Another option could be Buck. He has played some 1B in AAA (only 5 games though) and played there a bit in spring training. Wouldn't be an ideal choice, and I doubt we put a guy there that has played that little 1B but crazier things have happened. Not like Santana was overflowing with 1B experience prior to playing there this spring (had 2 minor league games back in 2008).


Issues with Johnson is the 40 man issue and hasn't hit well yet. has been off for a while so he may need 2 weeks more of at-bats at least before he's ready. The 40-man issue could be easily solved by releasing Kearns (could then promote Duncan, Buck, or Carrera to be the backup OFer). But man, does Kearns have 9 lives or what? Not sure they cut him now, but maybe I'm wrong.


Really hope LaPorta is ok....but even if it's just a mild sprain, you almost have to put him on the DL IMO. With the impending 9 game road interleague trip coming up, can't really afford to have Hafner and a banged up LaPorta on the team IMO.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Prosecutor » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:22 pm

Marson catching, Santana 1st base, Hannahan 3rd base, Valbuena 2nd base, Phelps back to Columbus. That should be the everyday lineup until LaPorta gets back.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby jellis » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:24 pm

Prosecutor wrote:Marson catching, Santana 1st base, Hannahan 3rd base, Valbuena 2nd base, Phelps back to Columbus. That should be the everyday lineup until LaPorta gets back.


I love how quickly every is done with helps after 2 weeks ago everyone wanted him here and was upset that he wasnt
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby hoof32 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:29 pm

jellis wrote:
Prosecutor wrote:Marson catching, Santana 1st base, Hannahan 3rd base, Valbuena 2nd base, Phelps back to Columbus. That should be the everyday lineup until LaPorta gets back.


I love how quickly every is done with helps after 2 weeks ago everyone wanted him here and was upset that he wasnt


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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Prosecutor » Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:17 am

Phelps is 1-for-16 and appears to be completely overmatched. He isn't even hitting any line drives or fly balls. Everything is either a strikeout or a weak ground ball. Tony said the scouts he's talked to say Phelps is a utility player at best in the bigs.

Valbuena is hitting over .400 at Columbus the last couple of weeks and has big league experience. I just think if we brought him up he would do better than 1-for-16.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby ironmike » Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:43 am

I'm really starting to wonder about our farm system. We really lack position players. I'm hoping Kipnis can be the kind of player Ian Kinsler is. At the moment, don't see any position impact players on the horizon that can help this team balance out its ML roster. P.S. Scouts feel the same way about Weglarz as they do Phelps.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Bearcatbob » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:20 am

ironmike wrote:I'm really starting to wonder about our farm system. We really lack position players. I'm hoping Kipnis can be the kind of player Ian Kinsler is. At the moment, don't see any position impact players on the horizon that can help this team balance out its ML roster. P.S. Scouts feel the same way about Weglarz as they do Phelps.


The theory IMO was that pitching pitching pitching - and if position players are needed - others need pitching! It seems like we do have the pitching. White getting hurt really screwed the plan for this year.

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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby GeronimoSon » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:06 am

Phelps is 1-for-16 and appears to be completely overmatched. He isn't even hitting any line drives or fly balls. Everything is either a strikeout or a weak ground ball. Tony said the scouts he's talked to say Phelps is a utility player at best in the bigs.

Valbuena is hitting over .400 at Columbus the last couple of weeks and has big league experience. I just think if we brought him up he would do better than 1-for-16.
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ironmike wrote:I'm really starting to wonder about our farm system. We really lack position players. I'm hoping Kipnis can be the kind of player Ian Kinsler is. At the moment, don't see any position impact players on the horizon that can help this team balance out its ML roster. P.S. Scouts feel the same way about Weglarz as they do Phelps.


The theory IMO was that pitching pitching pitching - and if position players are needed - others need pitching! It seems like we do have the pitching. White getting hurt really screwed the plan for this year.

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Well.. after all of 16 ML at bats.. the assessment is Cord Phelps is over matched? Is nothing more than a utility player.. send him down.. bring up Valbuena? hmmm.. Does this seem a bit 'reactionary'?.. as in knee JERK? or would that be plural?

Questioning the farm system is acceptable.. It's certain to contain answers such as.. YES, he is a talent major leaguer and future star fielder.. No, he's about afoot short on his fastball.. Yes, he's the next gold glover.. etc.. Questioning with only a "negative" connotation, is biased & pointless..

White getting hurt.. defines the reason why the Indians continue to draft and make astute trades for pitching.. By overcoming attrition, the Indians can compete with anyone..

A few notes on game two:

-Lou Marson's handling of Car-Car is becoming theee most obvious reason for Car-Car's recent streak of success.. Together, they are becoming quite a team...

-Grady & Brantley & Drooobs, OH MY!!.. Now if Shin-soo Choo can continue to put good swings on the ball and continue to get his walks.. the offense that led the MAJOR LEAGUES in runs scored at the 45 game mark, will do so again..

-O-cabby needs to wear 1" platform spikes..with that extra inch, he would have gotten McHenry's liner...

-Keeping McCutcheon off the basepaths has proven to be the key to stopping the Pirates cold..

See you at the game this afternoon..
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Prosecutor » Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:03 pm

Well.. after all of 16 ML at bats.. the assessment is Cord Phelps is over matched? Is nothing more than a utility player.. send him down.. bring up Valbuena? hmmm.. Does this seem a bit 'reactionary'?.. as in knee JERK? or would that be plural?


The report from Tony that scouts see Phelps as a utility player came out before he was brought up, so that's not a knee jerk reaction. As for the 16 at-bats, yeah, that's not many, but have you seen those at-bats? He's swinging at balls in the dirt and missing them by a foot. I think he's had more swings and misses than he has swings and contacts.

When Santana came up last year it was immediately obvious he was ready to hit up here. When Brantley started last season as the Tribe's left fielder it was quickly obvious that he was not. It doesn't take many at-bats to see whether a player is ready.

Phelps was 5-for-27 in Columbus before being brought up. IOW, he was in the middle of a slump when we brought him up, so it's too early to write him off. I'm just saying that Valbuena is on fire in Columbus while Phelps is mired in a slump, so if the Tribe is looking for an offensive spark or at least an upgrade over OCab, Valbuena seems like a better choice at the moment. Down the road Phelps may have a better career, but at the moment he's pretty much useless at the dish.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Prosecutor » Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:12 pm

OK, Phelps is snapping out of it. A double off the wall and two line drive outs. Disregard my last two posts.

It seemed like he was overanxious before and chasing pitches. Now he seems more patient and is waiting for a fastball i the strike zone.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby hoof32 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:32 pm

NICE!!! :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby entertheshoe » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:37 pm

Cord Phelps is the greatest Indian of all time!!

Good thing Manny Acta isn't as trigger-happy as many on this board.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Bearcatbob » Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:26 pm

entertheshoe wrote:Cord Phelps is the greatest Indian of all time!!

Good thing Manny Acta isn't as trigger-happy as many on this board.



Good game for Phelps. He hit the ball hard in addition to the hits. Good for him.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby petes999 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:28 pm

Both Choo and Phelps hit the ball hard today. Good to see.

Yet, what was it with Choo and Marson and not handling the ball well today ... didn't Marson have 2 pass balls and Choo had trouble in the corner twice giving Pitts an extra base each time ... thought he would have had a play as they tried to strech the extra base out only to see him fumbling with the ball.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby hoof32 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:23 pm

Prosecutor wrote:Phelps is 1-for-16 and appears to be completely overmatched. He isn't even hitting any line drives or fly balls. Everything is either a strikeout or a weak ground ball. Tony said the scouts he's talked to say Phelps is a utility player at best in the bigs.

Valbuena is hitting over .400 at Columbus the last couple of weeks and has big league experience. I just think if we brought him up he would do better than 1-for-16.


Willie Mays broke in with a 1-for-26. Leo Durocher had to tell him 'calm down, kid.' :clapping:

entertheshoe wrote:Cord Phelps is the greatest Indian of all time!!

Good thing Manny Acta isn't as trigger-happy as many on this board.


Manny's doing a great job with this club!! Best Tribe manager since Pat Corrales. :drinks:
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Prosecutor » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:04 pm

OK, Phelps can stick around for one more game. :s_smile

Next bright idea - the Tribe should take advantage of the proposed realignment to switch over to the National League. They might go 162-0.

Seriously, the Pirates were just what the doctor ordered to revive this patient. Let's keep it rolling. Now that Pronk is back and Choo seems to be locked in and even Santana is starting to hit, it's a whole new ballgame. As long as we don't have to play the Yankees, Red Sox, or Twins.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby GeronimoSon » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:04 pm

Prosecutor wrote:OK, Phelps can stick around for one more game. :s_smile

Next bright idea - the Tribe should take advantage of the proposed realignment to switch over to the National League. They might go 162-0.

Seriously, the Pirates were just what the doctor ordered to revive this patient. Let's keep it rolling. Now that Pronk is back and Choo seems to be locked in and even Santana is starting to hit, it's a whole new ballgame. As long as we don't have to play the Yankees, Red Sox, or Twins.
Manny will be glad to read that Cord can stay a little bit longer.. excellent timing for a career game from the young and talented future utility guy... :wink:

Regarding the Pirates as what the doctor ordered to revive the patient... the Pirates came into Progressive on fire.. winning 10 of their previous 15 games including a series win over the Phillies & three games over .500.. something that team hasn't sniffed in a LOOOOOONNNNGGGG time, including a historical 15-12 record against the Indians.. smh..

Bring on the Yankees.. and twins.. and whomever.. (not the red sox.. they are going as good as anyone right now and there appears to be no end in sight to their fine play).. however, the schedule is what it is..The Indians, with all pistons firing can compete with just about anyone.. Offensively.. starting pitching.. bullpen.. and even our UZR+ defined defensively challenged SS might be able to make a play or two... :s_thumbsup
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby GeronimoSon » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:06 pm

Prosecutor wrote:
Well.. after all of 16 ML at bats.. the assessment is Cord Phelps is over matched? Is nothing more than a utility player.. send him down.. bring up Valbuena? hmmm.. Does this seem a bit 'reactionary'?.. as in knee JERK? or would that be plural?


The report from Tony that scouts see Phelps as a utility player came out before he was brought up, so that's not a knee jerk reaction. As for the 16 at-bats, yeah, that's not many, but have you seen those at-bats? He's swinging at balls in the dirt and missing them by a foot. I think he's had more swings and misses than he has swings and contacts.

When Santana came up last year it was immediately obvious he was ready to hit up here. When Brantley started last season as the Tribe's left fielder it was quickly obvious that he was not. It doesn't take many at-bats to see whether a player is ready.

Phelps was 5-for-27 in Columbus before being brought up. IOW, he was in the middle of a slump when we brought him up, so it's too early to write him off. I'm just saying that Valbuena is on fire in Columbus while Phelps is mired in a slump, so if the Tribe is looking for an offensive spark or at least an upgrade over OCab, Valbuena seems like a better choice at the moment. Down the road Phelps may have a better career, but at the moment he's pretty much useless at the dish.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Rocky55 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:07 am

Anyone hear that roar from down south? Work & stuff all day, come home, turn on the laptop, check the PD site first because there's a game today; then I read the headline, then comes the roar! REALLY happy for this kid who beat the odds to make it to MLB.

Cord would like to thank all of his loyal supporters on this board, especially Prosecutor :friends: who made it all happen. The guy obviously has a gift. I vote that the Prosecutor posts something about Carmona next. :drinks:
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby criznit2009 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:04 am

was it prosecutor who started the mitch talbot thread too?????? Awesome job for Phelps, no better way to break away from yr poor ML debut. Keep it up and you won't leave Mr. Phelps.
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby GeronimoSon » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:11 am

Rocky55 wrote:Anyone hear that roar from down south? Work & stuff all day, come home, turn on the laptop, check the PD site first because there's a game today; then I read the headline, then comes the roar! REALLY happy for this kid who beat the odds to make it to MLB.

Cord would like to thank all of his loyal supporters on this board, especially Prosecutor :friends: who made it all happen. The guy obviously has a gift. I vote that the Prosecutor posts something about Carmona next. :drinks:


Seconds the motion...
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Re: Pirates at Indians, June 17, 18 & 19

Postby Prosecutor » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:46 am

Rocky55 wrote:Cord would like to thank all of his loyal supporters on this board, especially Prosecutor :friends: who made it all happen. The guy obviously has a gift. I vote that the Prosecutor posts something about Carmona next. :drinks:


LOL - I actually thought of doing that. I'm more than happy to be made a fool of if it results in more wins for the Tribe and key players breaking out of slumps. However, I'm afraid that Carmona may be beyond my poor power to add or detract.

But just to be safe, I strongly suggest that Carmona be sent back to the Arizona Rookie League - again. He has the worst ERA of any starting pitcher in the AL. How bad does it have to get before they do something? He has no chance against the Rockies, none whatsoever. They're going to bury him alive. Durbin and Herrmann - be ready, and early.

One last point. It looked to me like every ball Cord hit yesterday was a fastball. Kind of like when Santana came up last year. I'll bet it won't be long before they start feeding him breaking balls almost exclusively. That's when we'll find out if he's an everyday big league player.
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