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2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:34 pm

Here is a link to BA's spending pool list....

http://www.baseballamerica.com/internat ... ot-values/
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:39 pm

Here is mlb.com's top 30 prospects...

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/ ... /#list=int
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

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Postby homerawayfromhome » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:07 am

Here's a good look at Yasmani Tomas (OF) the 23 yo Cuban defector should be ruled a FA soon. He will not be subject to the spending pool limits bc he exceeds the minimum exp. requirements.

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2014/6/21/5 ... mani-tomas
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:48 pm

Here's Scout.com's take on the upcoming International FA signing period... (Includes a few Youtube Video's).
http://sbb.scout.com/story/1375072-july ... arer?s=381
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:00 pm

Here's BA's top 30 International FA's...

http://www.baseballamerica.com/internat ... onal-list/
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:02 pm

Here's Scout.com's projections for the IFA period...

http://mlb.scout.com/story/1415758-july ... book?s=243
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:37 am

Here's a link to Jesse Sanchez article on Yoan Moncada the 19 yo, switch hitting SS,2b,3b from Cuba. Moncada will be eligible to sign once he has established residency outside of Cuba. The 6'2 205 lb Moncada is well regarded according to several reports.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/inf ... y=news_mlb
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:55 am

Here's BR's article: Identifying suitors for top 10 International prospects...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2114 ... teamstream
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby OhioBaseball » Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:56 am

I want SS/2B Kenny Hernandez. If he can be signed for $300k to $700k as stated by the scout.com projections, you've gotta do it. I think he goes for $800k to $1 million, though.

It's so hard scouting these guys at age 16 or whatever age they are. All of these guys are physically maturing at different ages so going off run, throw and power tools can be really tough. I want guys that can swing the bat with some loose athleticism.
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:18 am

The Tribe has about $2M to spend, but they did go over their pool last yr -but only penalized $$$ - to get the players they wanted. The Tribe didn't sign any top 30 players last yr, with maybe the exception of Cuban RHP Leandro Linares ($900K) who became a FA after the signing period opened, but might have listed had he been a FA prior to the start of the signing period. The Rangers and Cubs will both be limited to signings of $250K bc of their excessive spending last yr. Worth noting the Cubs will have a top 5 pool and are looking to deal, so there could be some trades involving pool slots coming soon.

The Yankees will reportedly exceed $20M in spending to get 6 or more top 30 talents. The Rays are reportedly signing Adrian Rondon for $3.5M exceeding their pool, the Red Sox are expected to exceed their pool, as are the Padres.

I'm a little confused on the Yankees, bc it was my understanding they were over their pool last yr too, and would be limited to deals of only $500K. Since they apparently have several deals over that amount, I guess those reports were not true.
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:58 pm

Here's mlbtraderumors.com' s IFA signing period primer...

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/2 ... rimer.html
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:09 pm

Minorleagueball.com's IFA signing period primer by Matt Garrioch...

http://www.minorleagueball.com/mlb-bonu ... b-baseball
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:33 am

Haven't heard anything on the Indians making any signings yet, should be a few tomorrow. Overall, I expect a quiet signing period for the Tribe, unless they are able to secure another signing slot or two through trades.

One prospect I really like, Chris Acosta (RHSP) signed for $1.5 M by the Red Sox.
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:44 am

OhioBaseball wrote:I want SS/2B Kenny Hernandez. If he can be signed for $300k to $700k as stated by the scout.com projections, you've gotta do it. I think he goes for $800k to $1 million, though.

It's so hard scouting these guys at age 16 or whatever age they are. All of these guys are physically maturing at different ages so going off run, throw and power tools can be really tough. I want guys that can swing the bat with some loose athleticism.


Hernandez has been linked to the Mets, no word if he has offically signed with them or not. I like his bat, I think he'd be a solid add for the Tribe. BA has him rated 13, he is outside of the top 30 on Scout.com but McDaniel ranks prospects according to expected bonuses, not talent, while mlb.com has him at 27 on their list. I think he gets $750K - $1M, that might be too much for the Tribe, considering their $2M pool.

EDIT: Hernandez reportedly has a deal in place for $1M with the Mets, can't sign until he's 16.
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:58 pm

Here's some of the signings by the Indians per Dionisio Soldevila (of ESPN Deportes)...

Leo Rodriguez - RHP $300K
Oscar Gonzalez - OF $300K
Chris Cespedes - OF $200K
Julio Cabrera - OF $200K
Henderson D'Oleo - 3b $165K
Orlando Cedeno - RHP $100K**
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:29 pm

Here's a little info on Leo Rodriguez...

www.baseballamerica.com/international/i ... rodriguez/
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Postby homerawayfromhome » Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:03 pm

Here's a little info on Julio Cabrera...

http://www.baseballamerica.com/internat ... o-cabrera/
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:27 pm

Here's a little info on Henderson D'Oleo...

http://www.baseballamerica.com/internat ... son-doleo/
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:30 pm

Here's a little info on Oscar Gonzalez ...

http://www.baseballamerica.com/internat ... -gonzalez/
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Postby homerawayfromhome » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:23 am

Heres a little info on the Orlando Cedeno signing...

http://www.baseballamerica.com/internat ... do-cedeno/
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby Tondo » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:08 am

So, 700k of the budget left. Seems like the Indians will be one of the teams that play by the rules and keep it within their budget limit.

Have to agree with the approach too, spreading the money around. The Indians have been burned by 1mil + international signings with Paulino and H.Caro, who have disappointed so far. They have done much better in the 200-500k range with guys like Lugo, CC Lee, Cheng Chang, JRam, RRod and Mejia.
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:50 am

I agree with the idea of spreading the wealth around too. Although I wouldn't mind seeing them go after a big name prospect every once and a while. I don't think they can out think themselves, scouting amateurs is where it's at for the Tribe, more specifically the college / HS draft. That's why I think the Tribe should aggressively look to acq. an extra comp. balance pk when they can.

For the Tribe the risk / reward has to payoff, that's why I think they should occasionally break the norm and target an arm with a clean delivery or a bat with a good a pop roach like they did with this most recent draft. The tribe has produced some good international talent over the yrs, and they've really added some intriguing talent (Lugo, Mejia) in recent yrs.

A yr like this yr, with a smaller pool, their signings are going to be limited unless they acq. more pool space. For example, I like Chris Acosta the RHP the Red Sox signed for $1.5M, he would have been a great pickup for the Tribe, but that would have limited them to only $500K remaining space. That's just not practical for them to spend that way. Unless, they acquired more space, but forcing it, only results in overpaying.

For the Tribe the thing to do is to continue to scout these guys, if you miss so what... let other teams give them a big bonus and try to get some of the International players they've missed on bc of signing demands through trades, take a better prospect back in a trade that's further away. Some teams will be more willing to do that, rather than send a guy back that's in AA with a lower ceiling that could help (them) sooner. Just saying, there are ways to work around it and still get the talent the team really wants, but doesn't want to gamble $$$ to get.
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:54 pm

Lets Go Tribe's look at the six IFA the Tribe signed...

http://www.letsgotribe.com/2014/7/3/586 ... r-cespedes
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Postby homerawayfromhome » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:04 pm

Heres a pic. of Oscar Gonzalez signing courtesy of Jesse Sanchez on Twitter...

https://mobile.twitter.com/DPLBaseball/ ... 601/photos
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby OhioBaseball » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:58 am

I'm good with the quantity of lower value signings. I think it's the right approach when you're signing 16 and 17 year olds. There's just so much projection involved and it's a fact that humans physically mature at different biological ages.

How much do you think Bradley Zimmer and Mike Papi would have signed for when they were 17 years old? They were probably $200k signings, too.
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:40 am

OhioBaseball wrote:I'm good with the quantity of lower value signings. I think it's the right approach when you're signing 16 and 17 year olds. There's just so much projection involved and it's a fact that humans physically mature at different biological ages.

How much do you think Bradley Zimmer and Mike Papi would have signed for when they were 17 years old? They were probably $200k signings, too.

Agreed, I'd rather get 2/3 good players with the chance of 2/3 paying off then spending all on one with hopes that one player panned out.

This being said, when there is unique circumstances I think the Tribe should look to exploit it paying more than their norm for a player like Jen-Ho Tseng last yr who eventually signed for $1.5-$1.75M (too much, IMO). Tseng was 18 and had experience on the global front, less projection with him, and qlty stuff. Point is, when a qlty player that is polished is available they should take an occasional gamble. This yr, a similar situation presented itself with South Korean SS Hyo-Joon Park, 18, who signed for $1.1M with the Yankees. However, it made less sense to go for it with a player like Park bc the Tribes spending pool decreased significantly. To the Tribes credit they did sign big Cuban RHP Leandro Linares, 19, for $950K, when he joined the talent pool a bit late last yr.

Finally, a player a wouldn't mind seeing them sign is RHP Wei-Chein Huang of Taiwan. Kiley McDaniel projected him to sign for $250-$700K. Honestly, I know very little about him. I have seen video of him which he exhibits good control and what looked like high 80s low 90s FB. Btw, the Tribe has signed several players out of the Pacific Rim in recent yrs, several from Taiwan. I would be surprised if they didn't land a prospect or two from Taiwan, as they look to expand their global search for talent.
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Re: 2014-15 International Free Agents

Postby homerawayfromhome » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:32 pm

Huang, 20, a graduate of Taiwan National University signed with the Dbax for $350K. Huang sits 89-94 w/ his FB and has avg. / fringe secondaries. I would have liked to see the Tribe make a run at him, they might have, but haven't picked up any rumors except for the players they have signed / after they signed them. Huang seemed liked a fairly safe gamble, a bit of an older player, that could have went straight to AZ and pitched. There was no need for him to sit out a yr bc of his age as many of these International signings do.
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