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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:35 pm

A combined 1 hitter with 12Ks and the final 26 batters were retired in order by Clippers pitchers after the first two of the game reached!!!
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby martyinnewyork » Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:37 pm

Man, the Clippers stumbled down the stretch, but they sure have gotten some clutch pitching performances these last couple of weeks!
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby indianinkslinger » Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:43 pm

Where was Johan Pino all season? Boy did he come up big today. I bet there were some Indians brass who wouldn't mind seeing the relief help from this game in Cleveland uniforms next year.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby martyinnewyork » Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:34 pm

Clippers win big, 11-5, Paolo Espino 7IP and 2 ER... JRod a homer... now in the finals...
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby artgold » Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:50 pm

martyinnewyork wrote:Clippers win big, 11-5, Paolo Espino 7IP and 2 ER... JRod a homer... now in the finals...


Glad to see the bounce back effort by Espino, after getting clobbered during his last outing against Toledo.

Kind of interesting though, Espino has had two really bad outings since being promoted to Columbus, and both were against Toledo.

He has really gotten killed by Toledo, pitching 8 inning between both outings and giving up 19 hits and 16 earned runs. In his "non Toledo" outings he has pitched 41 innings and given up only 29 hits and 12 earned runs.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Upper Box Woodchuck » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:48 pm

artgold wrote:
martyinnewyork wrote:Clippers win big, 11-5, Paolo Espino 7IP and 2 ER... JRod a homer... now in the finals...


Glad to see the bounce back effort by Espino, after getting clobbered during his last outing against Toledo.

Kind of interesting though, Espino has had two really bad outings since being promoted to Columbus, and both were against Toledo.

He has really gotten killed by Toledo, pitching 8 inning between both outings and giving up 19 hits and 16 earned runs. In his "non Toledo" outings he has pitched 41 innings and given up only 29 hits and 12 earned runs.


If he gets the call-up, they'll be wise to keep out of any games with the Tigers.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:52 pm

Kipnis is starting at DH after Drew Sutton was called up to Cleveland to cover for Donald being out for maybe a week.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:03 pm

Clippers explode for a 5-run first inning on an RBI single by Phelps, a 2-run HR by Hodges, an RBI double by Goedert and an RBI single from Jared Head.

Jason Kipnis singled and scored in his first AB.

Huff is getting the start, so doesn't look like he's going to be taking Talbot's starting spot...... for now.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:28 pm

Hodges is HBP in the first pitch he sees after his first inning HR and the Bulls pitcher, De Los Santos, was ejected.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Hermie13 » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:39 pm

dazindiansfanuk wrote:Clippers explode for a 5-run first inning on an RBI single by Phelps, a 2-run HR by Hodges, an RBI double by Goedert and an RBI single from Jared Head.

Jason Kipnis singled and scored in his first AB.

Huff is getting the start, so doesn't look like he's going to be taking Talbot's starting spot...... for now.


With a 5-run lead.....could pull him early and he'd be on 3-days rest for Saturday (wouldn't be the first guy starting on 3 days rest this year). Made it through 4 innings in 58 pitches....get through 5 in 75....3 days rest wouldn't be out of the question....
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:43 pm

Hermie13 wrote:
dazindiansfanuk wrote:Clippers explode for a 5-run first inning on an RBI single by Phelps, a 2-run HR by Hodges, an RBI double by Goedert and an RBI single from Jared Head.

Jason Kipnis singled and scored in his first AB.

Huff is getting the start, so doesn't look like he's going to be taking Talbot's starting spot...... for now.


With a 5-run lead.....could pull him early and he'd be on 3-days rest for Saturday (wouldn't be the first guy starting on 3 days rest this year). Made it through 4 innings in 58 pitches....get through 5 in 75....3 days rest wouldn't be out of the question....


They won't pull him if he stays perfect.... :dirol:
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Hermie13 » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:52 pm

dazindiansfanuk wrote:They won't pull him if he stays perfect.... :dirol:


You jinxed it!
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:15 pm

Clippers piling it on in the 5th with another 5 spot..... lead 10-1 and still have 2 in scoring position with 1 out.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Hermie13 » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:15 pm

10-1 in the 5th (and still hitting).....Huff at only 71 pitches. Definitely could pull him if they wanted now.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:25 pm

12-1 Clippers..... every starter has a hit and the top 4 (Constanza, Carrera, Phelps & Hodges) all with multi-hit nights already.

Huff back out there for the 6th.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:36 pm

Kipnis and Goedert with back-to-back singles in the 6th and the top 7 in the Clippers order now have multi-hit nights!
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:39 pm

Head with a 3-run HR to give him 6 RBI on the night and make it 15-1!

It's a laugher.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Hermie13 » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:51 pm

What an outing by Huff. 92 pitches through 7. 4 hits, 5 strikeouts, NO walks, and no earned runs (damn you Goedert).

If this is his last start, what a way to end it.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:55 pm

Goedert adds a 2-run HR..... 17-1 Clippers.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby MadThinker88 » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:05 pm

I'm curious to how much damage is being done to the Durham bullpen....
Might be a factor in the next few days.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby TonyIBI » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:14 pm

Outstanding outing by Huff. Way to end his season on a high note.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:14 pm

Pitiful outing from Laffey..... serves up a slam in the 8th to make it 17-5.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:17 pm

Luke Carlin adds a HR in the 8th to give all 9 Clippers starters a multi-hit night.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:54 pm

Clippers take a 1-0 first inning lead in game 2 on a Cord Phelps HR.

Wes Hodges was gunned down at home trying to score on a Kipnis double to end the frame.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:34 pm

Goedert and Head go back-to-back in the 4th to put the Clippers on top 3-0.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:01 pm

4-0 Clippers now after Constanza steals home on the front end of a double steal.

With runners at the corners, Hodges swung through a 3-2 pitch and the Bulls threw down to 2nd to try and throw out Phelps as Constanza raced home.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:21 pm

Great outing by McAllister tonight - 7IP, 6H, 0R, 0BB, 6K

Clippers still up 4-0 mid 7th.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:30 pm

dazindiansfanuk wrote:Great outing by McAllister tonight - 7IP, 6H, 0R, 0BB, 6K

Clippers still up 4-0 mid 7th.



Rough year for him but pretty young for a AAA starter. Pumped to see how he develops next season. Him, Barnes, White, Kluber possibly Berger and one of Tomlin, Carrasco, Gomez......plus Huff and maybe Pino....that AAA rotation is going to get really crowded really early in the season (Barnes and Berger could both start at AA...same with White I guess). And that's assuming they cut Reyes...and don't sign a free agent SP....
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:33 pm

The Zach attack continues as Putnam comes on to work a scoreless 8th.

The Clippers are an inning away from a 2-0 series lead.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:55 pm

The Big Vin closes it out with a scoreless 9th striking out the side around a 1-out walk and a 2-out single.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby indianinkslinger » Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:24 pm

That was the best that McAllistair has pitched since he has been in Columbus. He threw strikes and had good movement. Up in the zone too often if you want to be picky but much better than he has thrown before, particularly ater he has gone thru the lineup twice. A general question about Huff. Unless we win one of the next two, isn't he the logical candidate for game 5? Should we go to the AAA playoff, I would think he would be the most likely choice if he doesn't pitch game 5.

I don't like what the tribe is doing with Masterson. Shortsighted IMO but who asked. I don't care how pissed they are at Huff. Common sense should prevail and not risk Talbot/Masterson for meaningless games. We have the makings of a passable pitching staff for next year. There may not be a #1 but we look to have depth in 2-5 if we don't screw them up. Just an opinion! :wacko:
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby TonyIBI » Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:56 pm

indianinkslinger wrote:That was the best that McAllistair has pitched since he has been in Columbus. He threw strikes and had good movement. Up in the zone too often if you want to be picky but much better than he has thrown before, particularly ater he has gone thru the lineup twice. A general question about Huff. Unless we win one of the next two, isn't he the logical candidate for game 5? Should we go to the AAA playoff, I would think he would be the most likely choice if he doesn't pitch game 5.


Kluber is scheduled to go Game 5 if it gets that far.

If Columbus wins this series in three, Espino would likely get the start in the AAA Championship Game. If they win in four then Kluber, and if in five then Huff.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Hermie13 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:20 pm

indianinkslinger wrote:I don't like what the tribe is doing with Masterson. Shortsighted IMO but who asked. I don't care how pissed they are at Huff. Common sense should prevail and not risk Talbot/Masterson for meaningless games. We have the makings of a passable pitching staff for next year. There may not be a #1 but we look to have depth in 2-5 if we don't screw them up. Just an opinion! :wacko:


Not sure I get what you mean with Masterson. He's going to pitch 180 innings this year. He's at 173. Plan was to finish those last 7 in the pen to keep him pitching the last 2-3 weeks. Instead, he'll start one more time and be done Saturday. 180 innings is 180 innings....

Or are you saying you don't like that he has to be shut down with 2 weeks left in the season? Suppose to you could make the case that his endurance could take a hit, but not sure how much pitching 1-2 innings a handful of times the rest of the way really adds to it....


I agree on the 2-5 thing. Our staff in a year or two could look a lot like the Rays' in 2008. Who was a #1 on that staff? You had Shields, Kazmir, Garza, Jackson, and Sonnanstine. I guess Kazmir or Shields could have been considered Aces but in reality both were more like #2 guys at best (same with Garza). Sometimes just having enough depth is enough to win you 95+ games :drinks:
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby TonyIBI » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:26 pm

Rotation and schedule for final 3 games:

Game 3: Thursday 9/16 @ Durham (RHP Yohan Pino), 7:05PM EST
Game 4: Friday 9/17 @ Durham (RHP Paolo Espino), 7:05PM EST (if necessary)
Game 5: Saturday 9/18 @ Durham (RHP Corey Kluber), 7:05PM EST (if necessary)
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby TitoFrancona » Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:02 pm

[quote="Hermie13"] Not sure I get what you mean with Masterson. He's going to pitch 180 innings this year. He's at 173. Plan was to finish those last 7 in the pen to keep him pitching the last 2-3 weeks. Instead, he'll start one more time and be done Saturday. 180 innings is 180 innings....

They're much better off starting him one more game rather than let him pitch in relief in several games. That way, he won't have to warm up so many times.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby TonyIBI » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:16 pm

FYI, but Matt Packer is with Columbus. He is not activated or will be, he is just travelling with the team as insurance in the event a pitching need comes up due to injury or someone is called up to Cleveland.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby indianinkslinger » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:46 pm

Hermie13 wrote:
indianinkslinger wrote:I don't like what the tribe is doing with Masterson. Shortsighted IMO but who asked. I don't care how pissed they are at Huff. Common sense should prevail and not risk Talbot/Masterson for meaningless games. We have the makings of a passable pitching staff for next year. There may not be a #1 but we look to have depth in 2-5 if we don't screw them up. Just an opinion! :wacko:


Not sure I get what you mean with Masterson. He's going to pitch 180 innings this year. He's at 173. Plan was to finish those last 7 in the pen to keep him pitching the last 2-3 weeks. Instead, he'll start one more time and be done Saturday. 180 innings is 180 innings....

Or are you saying you don't like that he has to be shut down with 2 weeks left in the season? Suppose to you could make the case that his endurance could take a hit, but not sure how much pitching 1-2 innings a handful of times the rest of the way really adds to it....


I agree on the 2-5 thing. Our staff in a year or two could look a lot like the Rays' in 2008. Who was a #1 on that staff? You had Shields, Kazmir, Garza, Jackson, and Sonnanstine. I guess Kazmir or Shields could have been considered Aces but in reality both were more like #2 guys at best (same with Garza). Sometimes just having enough depth is enough to win you 95+ games :drinks:

I don't like the change in plans. Masterson had already been transitioned to relief and the first thing you do is pop him to a 7 inning relief stint and the second thing you do is change him back to a one time shot as a starter. RPs and starters are on different schedules and why risk a valuable arm(s) by chaotic reaction to events which are meaningless this year. As Tito said, it can be easier to pitch one game and shut him down but the point is they made the decision to go with relief and treated Masterson's schedule accordingly. Had they done this from the getgo and shut him down while on a starter schedule I would have no problem. And I did not have a problem with the plan to transition to relief. I have a problem with unplanned changes for young pitching. Same goes for Talbot. Why not shut him down? He has put in enough innings, especially for a guy who has major arm problems in the recent past. I just don't want to be shortsighted and risk a slow start next year because Talbot or Masterson got a meaningless injury. Unlike many posters on the site, I do not assume the Indians are idiots. They know all this and they are far more informed about the picher's condition than i am. I am coutious by nature and i don't like what i percieve as additional risk but they know what they are doing.

Like you, I think it is a short term problem. I expect there will be considerable change to the Indians pitching at the middle of next year. I don't think they will rush into big changes at the start of the season, more for finances than anything else. IMO they don't need to. It may leave the Indians with some more marketable players in July given the fact that we may have pitching that will be out of options then. :pleasantry:
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Hermie13 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:22 pm

indianinkslinger wrote:I don't like the change in plans. Masterson had already been transitioned to relief and the first thing you do is pop him to a 7 inning relief stint and the second thing you do is change him back to a one time shot as a starter. RPs and starters are on different schedules and why risk a valuable arm(s) by chaotic reaction to events which are meaningless this year. As Tito said, it can be easier to pitch one game and shut him down but the point is they made the decision to go with relief and treated Masterson's schedule accordingly. Had they done this from the getgo and shut him down while on a starter schedule I would have no problem. And I did not have a problem with the plan to transition to relief. I have a problem with unplanned changes for young pitching. Same goes for Talbot. Why not shut him down? He has put in enough innings, especially for a guy who has major arm problems in the recent past. I just don't want to be shortsighted and risk a slow start next year because Talbot or Masterson got a meaningless injury. Unlike many posters on the site, I do not assume the Indians are idiots. They know all this and they are far more informed about the picher's condition than i am. I am coutious by nature and i don't like what i percieve as additional risk but they know what they are doing.

Like you, I think it is a short term problem. I expect there will be considerable change to the Indians pitching at the middle of next year. I don't think they will rush into big changes at the start of the season, more for finances than anything else. IMO they don't need to. It may leave the Indians with some more marketable players in July given the fact that we may have pitching that will be out of options then. :pleasantry:


How had Masterson really been transitioned to relief already though? He started on September 7th. They said it was going to be his last start. He was going to have 4-5 days off as he would need that time to recover from the 7 inning start. He probably still threw his bullpen.....then 5 days later on September 12th he threw another 7 innings (basically a start). It was as if he was pitching on normal rest like he had done all season long.

He's now pitching again on September 18th (extra day rest). The Indians announced a transition....but he never actually made it unless they did something else different between the last start and his "bullpen" appearance. Realize you do work relievers/starters differently, but they had such a short time I doubt much was done.

Now had he gone longer between starts or actually pitched a normal 1-2 innings in the pen then come back a day or two later I would agree with you.


Kind of agree on Talbot. Though as long as the Tribe is cautious I have no problem pitching him again this year. And seems like they are Would be kind of nice to get another look at Huff or a quick look at McAllister (assuming he is a lock to be rostered).
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby indianinkslinger » Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:54 pm

Hermie13 wrote:
indianinkslinger wrote:I don't like the change in plans. Masterson had already been transitioned to relief and the first thing you do is pop him to a 7 inning relief stint and the second thing you do is change him back to a one time shot as a starter. RPs and starters are on different schedules and why risk a valuable arm(s) by chaotic reaction to events which are meaningless this year. As Tito said, it can be easier to pitch one game and shut him down but the point is they made the decision to go with relief and treated Masterson's schedule accordingly. Had they done this from the getgo and shut him down while on a starter schedule I would have no problem. And I did not have a problem with the plan to transition to relief. I have a problem with unplanned changes for young pitching. Same goes for Talbot. Why not shut him down? He has put in enough innings, especially for a guy who has major arm problems in the recent past. I just don't want to be shortsighted and risk a slow start next year because Talbot or Masterson got a meaningless injury. Unlike many posters on the site, I do not assume the Indians are idiots. They know all this and they are far more informed about the picher's condition than i am. I am coutious by nature and i don't like what i percieve as additional risk but they know what they are doing.

Like you, I think it is a short term problem. I expect there will be considerable change to the Indians pitching at the middle of next year. I don't think they will rush into big changes at the start of the season, more for finances than anything else. IMO they don't need to. It may leave the Indians with some more marketable players in July given the fact that we may have pitching that will be out of options then. :pleasantry:


How had Masterson really been transitioned to relief already though? He started on September 7th. They said it was going to be his last start. He was going to have 4-5 days off as he would need that time to recover from the 7 inning start. He probably still threw his bullpen.....then 5 days later on September 12th he threw another 7 innings (basically a start). It was as if he was pitching on normal rest like he had done all season long.

He's now pitching again on September 18th (extra day rest). The Indians announced a transition....but he never actually made it unless they did something else different between the last start and his "bullpen" appearance. Realize you do work relievers/starters differently, but they had such a short time I doubt much was done.

Now had he gone longer between starts or actually pitched a normal 1-2 innings in the pen then come back a day or two later I would agree with you.


Kind of agree on Talbot. Though as long as the Tribe is cautious I have no problem pitching him again this year. And seems like they are Would be kind of nice to get another look at Huff or a quick look at McAllister (assuming he is a lock to be rostered).

You could be right about Masterson but I was led to believe he was pitching short work on his off days. Regardless, I have faith the Indians won't screw him up but i am cautious about young arms. I'd rather see Pino than McAllister. Someone I know is gone and don't care if he is injured from overwork. A bit callous, I admit.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby martyinnewyork » Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:07 pm

Clippers lose but Pino with another great start... 8 innings, 3 hits, 1 earned run...
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Upper Box Woodchuck » Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:09 pm

Stupid question here, but has anyone ever seen the Clips wear their gray hats? The only road game I went to, they wore the home (navy) blue hats and every picture I see of them on the road is in the navy hats. No big deal, just curious.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:18 pm

Kipnis goes deep in the 2nd to put the Clippers up 2-0 tonight.

Constanza scored on a Phelps RBI groundout in the first for the opening run of the game.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby TonyIBI » Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:26 pm

Gee, no rust for Kipnis, and he keeps on hitting at AAA. Really excited about him....Lord knows we NEED offense at big league level.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:28 pm

Clippers add 2 more on an RBI single by J-Rod and a run scoring sac bunt from Constanza.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:30 pm

Kipnis now 3-for-3 with the HR and a 2B.

Clippers up 5-2 after 4
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:43 pm

J-Rod with a 2-run single to make it 7-2 Clippers in the 5th.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:00 pm

Cycle for Kipnis!!!!!!!

Adds an RBI triple to put the Clippers up 8-2.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:05 pm

Goedert and Head with back-to-back RBI doubles to make it 10-2 - Clippers still batting in the 6th.
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby tribefan611 » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:15 pm

What has Chad Huffman done tonight? :wacko:

Congrats to Kipnis. Put it on ice!
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Re: Official 2010 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:42 pm

Head makes it 12-2 with his 2nd 2B and 4th hit of the night.

Goedert, Kipnis and Head a combined 11-for-14, 4 2B, 3B, HR, 5RBI, 10 runs scored.
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