Official 2011 MLB Draft thread

by **entertheshoe** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:34 pm

Rocky55 wrote:YEEESSSSSS!!!! My man Jake.

No complaints about picking a 1st team all american.

by **Tondo** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:37 pm

C Lowery...he was 1 of my fav College bats, but had him targeted for the 6th to 10th round range...safe pick for sure but still at least a guy I like and I think somewhat a "need" reach since Cs were going fast...plenty of talent left to fall, so we overdrafted a bit here...not in BA's top 200 but 178th at PG

http://www.collegesplits.com/cgi-bin/cs ... =lowerja43

Lowery had 24 HRs, impressive SLG and OPS...some much needed power from a scarcity position...I'm ok withthis pick, even though I'm sure most will hate it

by **TitoFrancona** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:39 pm

entertheshoe wrote:
Rocky55 wrote:YEEESSSSSS!!!! My man Jake.

No complaints about picking a 1st team all american.

What am I missing? Who is Jake? I see where in the 4th rd they drafted a Mark Lowery. The guy's listed as 5'10" catcher. I know nothing about this guy but unless he's a really stocky guy, he's a shrimp for a catcher and given that he's already a senior, he's pretty much done growing.

by **petes999** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:43 pm

My complaint is that we shouldn't reach for a position per many on this board. And, catching is actually a strong position with Monslave and Lavinsky. Can't complain about getting catching. The worry is the comment on MLB about the park he played in being hitter friendly. So how much of power is based on bat and also park?

Then the next pick, I hear a pitcher hitting 99 and could be back end 1st round in Zych who could rise fast if he gets control of it.

But, sometimes Indians do get conservative here ... even though last year it was Wolters and Blair. Hopefully, I want those upside arms.

by **entertheshoe** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:44 pm

Tondo wrote:C Lowery...he was 1 of my fav College bats, but had him targeted for the 6th to 10th round range...safe pick for sure but still at least a guy I like and I think somewhat a "need" reach since Cs were going fast...plenty of talent left to fall, so we overdrafted a bit here...not in BA's top 200 but 178th at PG

http://www.collegesplits.com/cgi-bin/cs ... =lowerja43

Lowery had 24 HRs, impressive SLG and OPS...some much needed power from a scarcity position...I'm ok withthis pick, even though I'm sure most will hate it

It seems to me that if the Tribe wanted to sign Lindor and Howard, they had to play it safe for rounds 3-4 (and maybe 5 and 6 as well). That's what it looks like they have done with Lowery and Sisco. No complaints here when you look at the big picture.

I'd like to see us take some chances and go BPA every pick but that's unrealistic when you're talking dollars and cents.

by **A.Zajac** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:46 pm

Indians were aggressive early and I feel like now they're going somewhat conservative. Not crazy on Lowery, was projected a few rounds farther away, but. We'll see.

by **entertheshoe** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:47 pm

Freaking Red Sox...

by **Rocky55** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:51 pm

You're going to hear that Lowery doesn't have as much power as it seems(24HR) because they play in a small park but he hit half of them on the road. He also had 22 doubles & 8 triples. Slugged .797. Batted .359, 9-12SB, only 3 errors.

by **petes999** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:56 pm

entertheshoe wrote:
Tondo wrote:C Lowery...he was 1 of my fav College bats, but had him targeted for the 6th to 10th round range...safe pick for sure but still at least a guy I like and I think somewhat a "need" reach since Cs were going fast...plenty of talent left to fall, so we overdrafted a bit here...not in BA's top 200 but 178th at PG

http://www.collegesplits.com/cgi-bin/cs ... =lowerja43

Lowery had 24 HRs, impressive SLG and OPS...some much needed power from a scarcity position...I'm ok withthis pick, even though I'm sure most will hate it

It seems to me that if the Tribe wanted to sign Lindor and Howard, they had to play it safe for rounds 3-4 (and maybe 5 and 6 as well). That's what it looks like they have done with Lowery and Sisco. No complaints here when you look at the big picture.

I'd like to see us take some chances and go BPA every pick but that's unrealistic when you're talking dollars and cents.

Yet, even when they drafted higher last year with Blair a nice pick in the 4th it was for 1/2 million. Your telling me that 1/2 million makes a difference compared to $250k range is going to get us the 1 and 2 pick signed? I can live with our 3rd as he seemed like an up and comer that we have to rely on our scouts. But, really to reach for a safe 4th in a year Tony said indications we would be just as aggressive and maybe more aggressive than last year (but maybe not in signing). Our 1st picks is more aggressive being HS but that is how it fell. And, 2nd is more due to being late teens to early 20s but supposedly Washington was late 20s per some here due to his 1st round status the year prior (though he fell on some boards last year).

So we will see in the 5th .... but I would like a bit more aggressiveness (but that is normal).

by **Tondo** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:57 pm

Sisco wasn't a safe pick imho, he is fresh out of College...we overdrafted him "some" to convince him to sign I guess

Lowery still had a Top10 OPS schedule/park adjusted...he saw a significant production leap despite the new bat, gotta love that too

God damn...freakin RedSox got Noe Ramirez...bummer....and the rich keep getting richer

I really would like another bat here and really think Asche and Wright are the way to go, see a slight drop off after them...their College production was consistently good even with the bat change. Still enough College arms left to wait it out, even though this 5th could be B.Smith time

Other names: OF B.Myles, 1B/OF Tucker, RHP Pope, 3B Skole...HS guys to risk on: OF Fisher, RHP Maples, LHP Peters, RHP Robson

by **GeronimoSon** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:58 pm

Here's an aggressive pick for the 5th round for the Sons of Geronimo: Senquez Golson.. scouts have fallen in love with the speed and athleticism that led him to sign with Ole Miss as a cornerback in football. The 5-10, 180-pound Golson batted .325 with three homers, 23 RBIs and 16 steals as Pascagoula's center fielder in 2011. He is rated among the top 50 high school players in the country by both Baseball America and ESPN.com's Keith Law.

Golson, who turned 18 in July, has said repeatedly that he plans to suit up in both sports for Ole Miss in the fall but would consider any professional baseball offer before making a final decision. Since his football career gives him leverage during baseball contract negotiations, he could command a six- or seven-figure signing bonus usually reserved for players drafted much earlier

by **Rocky55** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:58 pm

TitoFrancona wrote:
entertheshoe wrote:
Rocky55 wrote:YEEESSSSSS!!!! My man Jake.

No complaints about picking a 1st team all american.

What am I missing? Who is Jake? I see where in the 4th rd they drafted a Mark Lowery. The guy's listed as 5'10" catcher. I know nothing about this guy but unless he's a really stocky guy, he's a shrimp for a catcher and given that he's already a senior, he's pretty much done growing.

Who's Robert Phelps?

by **GeronimoSon** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:00 pm

Rocky55 wrote:
TitoFrancona wrote:
entertheshoe wrote:
Rocky55 wrote:YEEESSSSSS!!!! My man Jake.

No complaints about picking a 1st team all american.

What am I missing? Who is Jake? I see where in the 4th rd they drafted a Mark Lowery. The guy's listed as 5'10" catcher. I know nothing about this guy but unless he's a really stocky guy, he's a shrimp for a catcher and given that he's already a senior, he's pretty much done growing.

Who's Robert Phelps?

Robert "Cord" Phelps

by **Rocky55** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:03 pm

Hate to open this up but Jake's listed at 6'200lbs. on the James Madison site.

by **jellis** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:04 pm

catchers flying off the board

by **Big League Choo** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:06 pm

Three safe picks in a row.

by **A.Zajac** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:08 pm

Indians take ANOTHER arm.. another righty. Where are the bats all of a sudden..?

by **TitoFrancona** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:08 pm

Rocky55 wrote:Hate to open this up but Jake's listed at 6'200lbs. on the James Madison site.

I'm only going by what draft tracker listed him at. They listed him at 5'10" but didn't give any details on his weight. But if he's truly 6'2" (i assume you didn't mean 6200lbs :s_biggrin

) then great.

by **daingean** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:09 pm

TitoFrancona wrote:
Rocky55 wrote:Hate to open this up but Jake's listed at 6'200lbs. on the James Madison site.

I'm only going by what draft tracker listed him at. They listed him at 5'10" but didn't give any details on his weight. But if he's truly 6'2" (i assume you didn't mean 6200lbs ) then great.

Height and weight measurements are often inflated. I was thinking in meant 6' 200#.

by **A.Zajac** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:11 pm

Roberts threw a perfect game earlier this year.. :drinks:

by **TitoFrancona** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:12 pm

daingean wrote:
TitoFrancona wrote:
Rocky55 wrote:Hate to open this up but Jake's listed at 6'200lbs. on the James Madison site.

I'm only going by what draft tracker listed him at. They listed him at 5'10" but didn't give any details on his weight. But if he's truly 6'2" (i assume you didn't mean 6200lbs ) then great.

Height and weight measurements are often inflated. I was thinking in meant 6' 200#.

Ah, gotcha. That makes more sense.

by **Rocky55** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:13 pm

Marlin's get Hope. Good pick.

by **entertheshoe** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:13 pm

I'm not making any comparisons, but I found it interesting to compare the stats between fellow Virginian Danny Hultzen and Will Roberts so far for 2011:

Hultzen: 11-3 1.57 ERA 103 IP 148 K 17 Walks .189 batting avg
Roberts: 11-1 1.61 ERA 95 IP 90 K 12 Walks .204 batting avg

by **Tondo** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:15 pm

Did not have this guy on the map but his production has been good...significant WHIP and BB drop from SO to JR year

http://www.collegesplits.com/cgi-bin/cs ... =roberwi42

Somewhat meh, but they might have seen something with him...anyone has some info on his stuff?

by **ChadS17** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:18 pm

Is Burch Smith still available?

by **A.Zajac** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:19 pm

ChadS17 wrote:Is Burch Smith still available?

Yes.

by **ChadS17** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:19 pm

A.Zajac wrote:
ChadS17 wrote:Is Burch Smith still available?

Yes.

When might he go?

by **Rocky55** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:20 pm

Roberts last game: 9IP, 0Runs, 0 BB's, 14K's. Against Navy, but still.

by **GeronimoSon** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:20 pm

entertheshoe wrote:I'm not making any comparisons, but I found it interesting to compare the stats between fellow Virginian Danny Hultzen and Will Roberts so far for 2011:

Hultzen: 11-3 1.57 ERA 103 IP 148 K 17 Walks .189 batting avg
Roberts: 11-1 1.61 ERA 95 IP 90 K 12 Walks .204 batting avg

Hultzen was always a weekend pitcher.. Roberts was just converted to a weekend guy.. in college.. that's a pretty significant step...

by **daingean** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:21 pm

Jake Lowery has a brother Luke (also a catcher) signed with East Carolina. Luke is a 2012 will be a senior this year at Crosby HS. Write-up on him from his summer team http://canesbaseball.net/index.html.

Tuesday September 28th - Canes 2012 Catcher, and Cosby High School product Luke Lowery recently committed to the East Carolina Pirates and Head Coach Billy Godwin. Canes Coach Jeff Petty stated "Luke is one of the top catchers in the 2012 class in the country. He is consistenly sub 2.0 and on the bag with his throws. Lowery also has some serious power for a player his age. We have seen Lowery hit tape measure shot home runs time, and time again. There is no doubt the fans in Greenville are going to love watching Luke hit and catch for the Pirates. Luke was a huge part of our National Championship run this year and was a middle of the lineup presence with his stick. We couldn't be happier for Luke and his family." Luke plays his high school baseball for his father Tim Lowery at Cosby High School and his brother Jake Lowery is a standout catcher at JMU and was a Coastal Plains League All Star this past summer.

by **jellis** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:21 pm

GeronimoSon wrote:
entertheshoe wrote:I'm not making any comparisons, but I found it interesting to compare the stats between fellow Virginian Danny Hultzen and Will Roberts so far for 2011:

Hultzen: 11-3 1.57 ERA 103 IP 148 K 17 Walks .189 batting avg
Roberts: 11-1 1.61 ERA 95 IP 90 K 12 Walks .204 batting avg

Hultzen was always a weekend pitcher.. Roberts was just converted to a weekend guy.. in college.. that's a pretty significant step...

was viewed as top 3 rounds guy, so your guess is as good as anyones

by **Big League Choo** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:24 pm

From Perfect game: Will Roberts - Stuff below average (FB 87-89) , but big frame (6-5/210), sound delivery, ++ pitchability; wins (10-1, 1.78).

by **TitoFrancona** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:26 pm

GeronimoSon wrote:
entertheshoe wrote:I'm not making any comparisons, but I found it interesting to compare the stats between fellow Virginian Danny Hultzen and Will Roberts so far for 2011:

Hultzen: 11-3 1.57 ERA 103 IP 148 K 17 Walks .189 batting avg
Roberts: 11-1 1.61 ERA 95 IP 90 K 12 Walks .204 batting avg

Hultzen was always a weekend pitcher.. Roberts was just converted to a weekend guy.. in college.. that's a pretty significant step...

I would say the K-rate is a pretty telling story about why Hultzen was considered a 1st rd prospect vs Roberts being a 5th rd pick.

by **Rocky55** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:28 pm

Pads take Mark Pope. Maybe he can keep the ball out of the stands in that park.

by **indiansfan055** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:30 pm

Sounds like a Tomlin type guy. Perhaps a guy who moves quickly through the system and eventually becomes big league depth pitching primarily in AAA.

by **Rocky55** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:31 pm

Big League Choo wrote:From Perfect game: Will Roberts - Stuff below average (FB 87-89) , but big frame (6-5/210), sound delivery, ++ pitchability; wins (10-1, 1.78).

That size & only 87-89? That sucks.

by **Rocky55** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:33 pm

Seen that Marlowe kid the Giants picked. Hell of an arm.

by **jellis** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:34 pm

jellis wrote:
GeronimoSon wrote:
entertheshoe wrote:I'm not making any comparisons, but I found it interesting to compare the stats between fellow Virginian Danny Hultzen and Will Roberts so far for 2011:

Hultzen: 11-3 1.57 ERA 103 IP 148 K 17 Walks .189 batting avg
Roberts: 11-1 1.61 ERA 95 IP 90 K 12 Walks .204 batting avg

Hultzen was always a weekend pitcher.. Roberts was just converted to a weekend guy.. in college.. that's a pretty significant step...

was viewed as top 3 rounds guy, so your guess is as good as anyones

quoted wrote person, meant to quote on burch

by **A.Zajac** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:37 pm

It's time do draft a few bats.. well overdue.

by **Rocky55** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:40 pm

Hate to jinx it but I'd like to see the Tribe take Derek Fisher & try to get him signed. They may have taken the guys they really like so far but Lindor & Howard are going to be the only expensive ones. Let's go high end shopping now. :good:

by **entertheshoe** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:40 pm

A.Zajac wrote:It's time do draft a few bats.. well overdue.

Nick Delmonico and Preston Tucker are surprisingly still on the board. Hmmmmm

by **TonyIBI** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:43 pm

A.Zajac wrote:It's time do draft a few bats.. well overdue.

Dont expect it. Told that bats wont be a priority because draft lacks them.

by **Tondo** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:43 pm

Yeah, pretty disappointed to read about his FB velo...maybe he can add some and at least reach Tomlin levels, gotta touch the 90s here and there..would have picked INF Wright, who was drafted some picks later in the 5th

He wasn't on BA's top200 or PG's top331, which is somewhat disppointing...looks like a 8th to 12th rounder

Hard to complain about his production though...and that's the bottom line after all

by **stoike** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:48 pm

Tondo wrote:Yeah, pretty disappointed to read about his FB velo...maybe he can add some and at least reach Tomlin levels, gotta touch the 90s here and there..would have picked INF Wright, who was drafted some picks later in the 5th

He wasn't on BA's top200 or PG's top331, which is somewhat disppointing...looks like a 8th to 12th rounder

Hard to complain about his production though...and that's the bottom line after all

The BA scouting report said 88-92 FB. Another said high-80s to low 90s. ie..the same thing.

Another thing to consider with the fastball is that he is not even 21 yet, and he needs to add some weight. 195 lbs on a 6'5" kid is SKINNNNY!

by **daingean** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:49 pm

Tondo wrote:Yeah, pretty disappointed to read about his FB velo...maybe he can add some and at least reach Tomlin levels, gotta touch the 90s here and there..would have picked INF Wright, who was drafted some picks later in the 5th

He wasn't on BA's top200 or PG's top331, which is somewhat disppointing...looks like a 8th to 12th rounder

Hard to complain about his production though...and that's the bottom line after all

maybe the scouts saw something which makes them believe they can improve his velo. He's got good size and a clean delivery from what the scouting report says.

by **Tondo** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:50 pm

TonyIPI wrote:
A.Zajac wrote:It's time do draft a few bats.. well overdue.

Dont expect it. Told that bats wont be a priority because draft lacks them.

and I agree....doesn't make sense to "reach" on talent you can get in the 11th to 25th range

Really liked Asche and Wright but we just missed on them

Valparaiso OF Gaedele is stilll on the board though...he might be worth a look and I like OF Myles but I guess those guys drop into the 7th+ range

by **elrod enchilada** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:51 pm

Roberts seems like the Cole Cook "let's torch a pick on some dude who can fill out our A ball rotation" pick for 2011. Let's hope they have gotten this out of their system and can go back to attempting to draft guys with a chance to play in the big leagues and play effectively.

by **stoike** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:53 pm

elrod enchilada wrote:Roberts seems like the Cole Cook "let's torch a pick on some dude who can fill out our A ball rotation" pick for 2011. Let;s hope they have gotten this out of their system and can go back to attempting to draft guys with a chance to play ion the bog leagues and play effectively.

Ummm...I don't think that was the Indians thought on Roberts......

by **entertheshoe** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:53 pm

http://sfajacks.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/myles_bryson00.html

Looking at his picture, he looks like a football player. 6'0 225, thick neck.

by **daingean** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:53 pm

elrod enchilada wrote:Roberts seems like the Cole Cook "let's torch a pick on some dude who can fill out our A ball rotation" pick for 2011. Let;s hope they have gotten this out of their system and can go back to attempting to draft guys with a chance to play ion the bog leagues and play effectively.

Myles picked by Indians.

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