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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Hermie13 » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:50 pm

davidkey wrote:Although I recently posted to criticize some who seem a bit prematurely eager to start trading guys.......if Milwaukee still needs a SS come June/July and offers us an upper level prospect, then O-Cab would be a guy to offer. A natural SS, has won 2 gold gloves there, that would be a natural fit for Milwaukee. By then, hopefully Kipnis and/or Phelps is ready to play 2B in Cleveland.


Just want to reiterate that the Brewers are not looking for a ML starting SS, simply a depth guy right now (which is why I mentioned Valbuena).
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Hermie13 » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:13 pm

Lloyd Christmas wrote:Valbuena has crushed AAA pitching the last couple years so I dont think you have to rush to trade him now in fear of him dropping off. It is strange that Donald is the infielder of choice when he doesnt really do anything better than Valbuena.


But you're assuming Valbuena is still starting in Columbus in a month or so. Depending how the Tribe feels about Donald's defense at 3B vs Hannahan's.....donald could be starting at SS if not promoted to Cleveland right away. Hard to have value if you're on a AAA bench....then again, maybe Clevland doest promote Donald right to Cleveland (and then possibly we're talking about moving Everett)
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Hermie13 » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:16 pm

martyinnewyork wrote:Grady with a homer today, first in a long while... Chad Huffman thus far is 0-17 this season!!!


First HR since May 7th of last year.....good to see.


And what an outing by Gomez. A bit of a gift "complete game shutout" but 7 K's in 7 innings with shutout ball and only 1 walk.....take that every time.


And in game 2, Huffman breaks his 0-18 slump in AB #1
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby martyinnewyork » Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:17 pm

System-wide sweep!!!
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Prosecutor » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:38 am

martyinnewyork wrote:System-wide sweep!!!


Kinston is 1-5, the rest of the system is 16-8 with multiple dominating individual performances, especially by some of the pitchers. Great start to the season at both the major and minor league levels. Antonetti must be thrilled.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby TonyIBI » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:00 am

I'm really impressed with the pitching so far. We knew it was a strength going in but you have to love what we are seeing so far at all levels. The starting pitching has been incredible. The guys in Columbus have been unspectacular but solid, the Akron rotation is loaded, Pomeranz has been unreal in kinston and the others on that staff had good first outings, and in lake county everyone but really Cole cook and Tony Dischler have been solid to very good. And this doesn't even include the bullpen talent at all levels. Pitching rich indeed. And the way I prefer it. You obviously want good hitting and more balance in the system but this is a great problem to have.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby TitoFrancona » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:29 pm

martyinnewyork wrote:Grady with a homer today, first in a long while... Chad Huffman thus far is 0-17 this season!!!


Never understood that move by the Tribe. Not that anything he's done this early has any meaning, but he's simply a 4A player. I just have no idea what they wanted him for.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Lloyd Christmas » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:45 pm

Chad Huffman thus far is 0-17 this season


I got a hunch hes due
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Hermie13 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:51 pm

Lloyd Christmas wrote:
Chad Huffman thus far is 0-17 this season


I got a hunch hes due


He was....got 2 hits last night in the 2nd game of the doubleheader. Went 2 for 3 with a double, 3 runs scored, and even added a SB :drinks:


but yeah, I agree with tito mostly. See him as a 4A guy on a good day. Did look good in the spring. He provides some depth though and still has youth somewhat on his side
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby toledobuck » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:19 pm

Who has been moved off the COL roster or DL'd to make room for Herrmann who was just demoted and replaced by Joe Smith?
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby ClevBuck » Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:23 pm

Alex White so far 2 IP 0 ER 3 Hits 3 Ks
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby ClevBuck » Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:49 pm

Alex White so far 4 IP 4 Hits 0 ER
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:40 pm

Nice start for White:- 6IP, 6H, 2R, 0ER, 0BB, 7K, 96 pitches, 65 strikes and a 10:2 GB:FB ratio.

On the short end 2-1 right now though.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby daingean » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:10 pm

dazindiansfanuk wrote:Nice start for White:- 6IP, 6H, 2R, 0ER, 0BB, 7K, 96 pitches, 65 strikes and a 10:2 GB:FB ratio.

On the short end 2-1 right now though.


4-2 Clippers now.....Kipnis makes up for his error with an 3 hits and an RBI. Phelps with 2 ribbies.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby TonyIBI » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:01 pm

TitoFrancona wrote:
martyinnewyork wrote:Grady with a homer today, first in a long while... Chad Huffman thus far is 0-17 this season!!!


Never understood that move by the Tribe. Not that anything he's done this early has any meaning, but he's simply a 4A player. I just have no idea what they wanted him for.


Just a right-handed power bat for 1B/OF. Something we don't have in the upper levels. A depth option as Plan B to Duncan. Or if you look at it another way, a Plan C for Kearns, Duncan.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby TonyIBI » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:01 pm

toledobuck wrote:Who has been moved off the COL roster or DL'd to make room for Herrmann who was just demoted and replaced by Joe Smith?


No roster move made yet. I assume one will be made tomorrow before the CLippers home opener.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby ChadS17 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:06 pm

Any idea when Stowell sees time in Columbus?
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby InsaneJedi » Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:35 pm

Per Columbus Dispatch, Paolo Espino has been sent to Akron to make room for Herrmann. Still no sign of Stowell, although I'd imagine that when he is "ready" either Carlton Smith or Joe Martinez would be removed.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Edible14 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:30 am

TonyIPI wrote:Just a right-handed power bat for 1B/OF. Something we don't have in the upper levels. A depth option as Plan B to Duncan. Or if you look at it another way, a Plan C for Kearns, Duncan.


Would you consider Goedert as plan d or plan c?
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby TonyIBI » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:33 am

Edible14 wrote:
TonyIPI wrote:Just a right-handed power bat for 1B/OF. Something we don't have in the upper levels. A depth option as Plan B to Duncan. Or if you look at it another way, a Plan C for Kearns, Duncan.


Would you consider Goedert as plan d or plan c?


Yeah. Now that Huffman is off the roster, if Goedert is healthy and they have a need at the end of May, then I think Goedert is Plan C.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby TonyIBI » Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:57 pm

Interesting roster dilemna coming. With Buck likely to go to Columbus, an outfielder in Columbus is likely to be deactivated. Head seems the most obvious, but man after his game today who knows. A little early in the season to be trading away depth. What a ridiculous situation in Columbus (good) with all the depth. Lots of "solid" players everywhere.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby MadThinker88 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:17 pm

If given the choice between Donald & Vilbuena, I'd rather the organization hold onto Donald - more because he hits right-handed and there are sooooo many lefties and switch-hitters in the Tribe lineup & among the better position prospects.

If I could move him in a type of repeat of the Russell Branyan trade of least season - I would do it. I heard Milwaukee was looking for some depth so I would try to make a deal. Moving Valbuena would do 2 things - it opens a regular playing spot in the system so that players that are performing can continue to move up and it opens a 40 man roster spot (unless we get back a player that needs to be put onto the 40 man roster).
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby ChadS17 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:13 pm

MadThinker88 wrote:If given the choice between Donald & Vilbuena, I'd rather the organization hold onto Donald - more because he hits right-handed and there are sooooo many lefties and switch-hitters in the Tribe lineup & among the better position prospects.

If I could move him in a type of repeat of the Russell Branyan trade of least season - I would do it. I heard Milwaukee was looking for some depth so I would try to make a deal. Moving Valbuena would do 2 things - it opens a regular playing spot in the system so that players that are performing can continue to move up and it opens a 40 man roster spot (unless we get back a player that needs to be put onto the 40 man roster).


I don't think you can get anything near what we got for Branyan for Valbuena. Branyan has some value, Valbuena has proved to be nothing of worth to a big league team.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Edible14 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:54 pm

ChadS17 wrote:I don't think you can get anything near what we got for Branyan for Valbuena. Branyan has some value, Valbuena has proved to be nothing of worth to a big league team.


Agreed, but crazy things do happen with trades. But Valbuena is a below-average fielder (at best, and he's worse at 3B/SS) that was one of the worst hitters in all of baseball last year. I understand why the Indians have held onto him, but his value has to be close to 0 at this point.

As much as people rag on Branyan, he's actually a decent player. Looking at ISO, he's consistently one of the top power hitters in the game. He strikes out a lot, but a lot of people that really like advanced stats don't think K's are a big deal. His OBP is also usually at least average. UZR/150 suggests he's an above average fielder at 1B too. The problem is that he's old and injury prone, and he's the exact type of player that baseball purists hate (always swinging for the fences, low average, high K's, etc.). Branyan is ideal in a platoon 1B/DH or pinch-hitting lefty role.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Hermie13 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:15 pm

Edible14 wrote:Agreed, but crazy things do happen with trades. But Valbuena is a below-average fielder (at best, and he's worse at 3B/SS) that was one of the worst hitters in all of baseball last year.


Actually 'at best' he was above average at 2B where his TZ was a +5. He's improved his defense greatly each and every year. No gold glover, but solid at 2B. SS he's definitely below average though.

And agree, his value is near zero.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby martyinnewyork » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:20 pm

Carrera left today's game early with an arm injury of some sort.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby osueddy » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:46 pm

That would certainly open up a spot for Travis Buck.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Edible14 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:53 am

Hermie13 wrote:
Edible14 wrote:Agreed, but crazy things do happen with trades. But Valbuena is a below-average fielder (at best, and he's worse at 3B/SS) that was one of the worst hitters in all of baseball last year.


Actually 'at best' he was above average at 2B where his TZ was a +5. He's improved his defense greatly each and every year. No gold glover, but solid at 2B. SS he's definitely below average though.

And agree, his value is near zero.


His UZR/150 is bad (-8.7 lifetime), his TZL is also bad (-10.7 lifetime, both stats expressed in runs above average), and just about every scouting and fan report on the guy notes his lack of range to the left. Not that advanced defensive stats mean much, but even from expert opinions I haven't heard much positive about his D.

But the real point is, if you hit like Valbuena, you have to be a defensive wizard (like Everett) to stick around. He's not, which is why he probably won't be here in 2 years.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby davidkey » Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:45 pm

Tony mentioned a few posts ago that "(now that) Huffman is gone..."

Did they release him from the org?
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Hermie13 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:00 pm

Edible14 wrote:His UZR/150 is bad (-8.7 lifetime), his TZL is also bad (-10.7 lifetime, both stats expressed in runs above average), and just about every scouting and fan report on the guy notes his lack of range to the left. Not that advanced defensive stats mean much, but even from expert opinions I haven't heard much positive about his D.

But the real point is, if you hit like Valbuena, you have to be a defensive wizard (like Everett) to stick around. He's not, which is why he probably won't be here in 2 years.


His lifetime numbers are meaningless though. It's very easy to see that he's vastly improved from where he was when we got him 2 years ago. Not even close to the same defender. Heck, Tony and a few others flat out said they were told he could 'never' play SS....yet he has proven he can play it (even if poorly). Valbuena is young and his defense has improved each and every year. No gold glover at 2B, but he won't embarass himself. That was more my point.

Wasn't trying to say he had value, agree he doesn't in any trade.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby criznit2009 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:23 pm

davidkey wrote:Tony mentioned a few posts ago that "(now that) Huffman is gone..."

Did they release him from the org?


No he is still here. No longer on the 40 man though, hasn't been for awhile. However, once Weglarz returns he could find himself on a hot seat.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby TonyIBI » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:55 pm

davidkey wrote:Tony mentioned a few posts ago that "(now that) Huffman is gone..."

Did they release him from the org?


Off the 40-man roster, still in the org.

By the way, with Joe Martinez pitching in relief today, looks like a for sure callup tomorrow to Columbus. Could just be a spot start from someone like Popham/Jones/etc or be a more permanent one with Barnes (and then Pomeranz maybe to Akron and then Knapp to Kinston).
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Upper Box Woodchuck » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:28 pm

Ugly afternoon at Huntington Park. :s_omg
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Edible14 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:10 pm

Hermie13 wrote:
Edible14 wrote:His lifetime numbers are meaningless though. It's very easy to see that he's vastly improved from where he was when we got him 2 years ago. Not even close to the same defender. Heck, Tony and a few others flat out said they were told he could 'never' play SS....yet he has proven he can play it (even if poorly). Valbuena is young and his defense has improved each and every year. No gold glover at 2B, but he won't embarass himself. That was more my point.

Wasn't trying to say he had value, agree he doesn't in any trade.


I concur on the no value part, and I didn't mean to make it sound like I didn't. I guess I didn't really see much improvement for him last year at 2B mostly because of how terrible he was at SS/3B. You're correct in that the numbers do suggest that he was a better 2B last year than 2009 and 2008. I would say that common wisdom with advanced defensive metrics say that individual years aren't terrible accurate, and that you should probably look at a career sample size if possible, hence me using those numbers. But it's entirely plausible that you're correct and that he has improved at 2B.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:13 pm

An eventful and somewhat wild AAA debut for Barnes: - 5IP, 4H, 4R, 3ER, 5BB, 3K

Needed 90 pitches to get through 5.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby criznit2009 » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:36 pm

dazindiansfanuk wrote:An eventful and somewhat wild AAA debut for Barnes: - 5IP, 4H, 4R, 3ER, 5BB, 3K

Needed 90 pitches to get through 5.


Sounds about right, Barnes is either hot or cold more so then any other pitcher in the system IMO. Hopefully it doesn't last all season this year too. Seriously though, think he will have a pretty good season.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby TonyIBI » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:47 am

dazindiansfanuk wrote:An eventful and somewhat wild AAA debut for Barnes: - 5IP, 4H, 4R, 3ER, 5BB, 3K

Needed 90 pitches to get through 5.


He's an emotional and fiery kind of guy, so I bet he was over-amped for that first AAA start. Will be interesting how he does his next time out and if he relaxes a little more if he pitches better.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Hermie13 » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:39 pm

Few positives from the outing. only 4 hits (though couple big ones) and 3 ERs is something to build on. 5 BBs though, eek. Agree, hopefully the butterflies are gone for the next start.



Any updates on who is moving out for Buck? Saw Head and Bell were in the game. Carrera still hasn't played if I'm not mistaken since he hurt himself diving for the ball? Heard today or Thursday was his target as of a day or so ago.....
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby TonyIBI » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:48 pm

Carrera is supposed to be back in the lineup today or tomorrow, so looks like one of Bell or Head get deactivated for Buck.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:56 pm

Another great outing for Alex White - 7IP, 5H, 2R/ER, 0BB, 7K, 88 pitches, 66 strikes

That's now just 3BBs to 20Ks in 18IP this year.

Clippers tied 2-2
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Hermie13 » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:57 pm

Jerad Head with yet another big hit for the Clippers, the game winner in the 9th.

It's not gonna happen....but part of me would like to see Head swapped in for Kearns. I know it's only been 3 weeks of a hot bat in C-bus....but a right-handed bat with some pop who is versatile....sounds like what the Tribe could use. He's played every position but catcher in the Tribe system (even SS and P). Even if you only use him in LF, would be a move I could get behind.

Really hoping he's not the one moved for Buck....
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Upper Box Woodchuck » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:48 pm

Hermie13 wrote:Jerad Head with yet another big hit for the Clippers, the game winner in the 9th.

It's not gonna happen....but part of me would like to see Head swapped in for Kearns. I know it's only been 3 weeks of a hot bat in C-bus....but a right-handed bat with some pop who is versatile....sounds like what the Tribe could use. He's played every position but catcher in the Tribe system (even SS and P). Even if you only use him in LF, would be a move I could get behind.

Really hoping he's not the one moved for Buck....


You'll like this news then:

Bubba Bell "assigned to Mahoning Valley" to make room for Buck.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb ... 7&sid=t445

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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:27 pm

What an outburst for the Clippers tonight against Johnny Cueto and the Louisville Bats..... 4 runs in the 1st, 4 in the 2nd, 3 in the 3rd and 4 more in the 4th..... they lead 15-1 mid 5th.

Travis Buck 4-for-4 already in his Clippers debut.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby martyinnewyork » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:38 pm

Louisville pitchers with 153 pitches through 5 IP!!!
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby dazindiansfanuk » Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:37 pm

Chad Huffman 4-for-5 with 3HR and 9RBI tonight!
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby martyinnewyork » Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:09 am

Officially gave Huffman 10 RBI's on the night... he may be out of his slump!
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby moonballz » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:20 pm

I thought Barnes was starting one of the two games today? Haven't heard anything.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby indianinkslinger » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:04 am

moonballz wrote:I thought Barnes was starting one of the two games today? Haven't heard anything.

I would not be at all surprised to see changes in the Columbus rotation after Carrasco went down. It looks set that a Columbus pitcher will be used Saturday and they probably want him to go tomorrow for normal rotation. :friends:
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby Hermie13 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:59 pm

Wondering if Carrasco being hurt could open a spot in C-Bus for Reyes here soon. Indians.com is reporting he should be up to 5 innings here shortly while throwing in Arizona.
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Re: 2011 Columbus Clippers Thread

Postby toledobuck » Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:02 pm

Reyes or De La could get the call at COL. The Tribe may elect to bring up Huff and if that does not happen they could bring up an early call for Alex White. It would be understood that White would be sent down asap upon the return to health of Carrasco/Talbot so his service clock does not get extended too much.
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