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Storylines: Could the Rays, Indians revisit trade talks?

Storylines: Could the Rays, Indians revisit trade talks?
David Price (J. Meric/Getty Images)
July 15, 2014
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In this MLB News and Notes segment, I will be giving occasional reports on the latest news and rumors throughout the MLB. I also will try to tweet news and rumors as I see them, so feel free to follow me on Twitter: @AndrewIBI.

Here are the stories from Friday, July 11.

Tribe News:

  • Scouts for the Indians have been told to focus their attention on Rays minor leaguers, MLB Daily Dish's Chris Cotillo reported, and Cotillo has wondered if this could suggest that Cleveland is revisiting talks for David Price. Cleveland and Tampa discussed a Price trade during the offseason, as Terry Pluto of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported, that involved Carlos Santana and Danny Salazar going to the Rays. (Tampa Bay also had interest in Francisco Lindor but the Indians consider Lindor virtually untouchable in any trade.) A new trade package, Cotillo speculated, could be Santana/Salazar for Price and a couple of Rays prospects, hence the Tribe's interest in scouting Tampa's farm system.

News and Notes:

  • Red Sox hurler Jon Lester said yesterday that extension talks could open back up "tomorrow or four months from now," but Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reported that the former option seems highly unlikely. In fact, Heyman said, the likeliest outcome now is that no serious run at a new deal will take place until after the season.
     
  • Padres closer Houston Street expects to be dealt, he told Jim Bowden on MLB Network Radio on Sirius XM. The club has already approached him to discuss that possibility, he added. San Diego has had enough discussions regarding Street that a deal does indeed appear likely, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. The club is, however, somewhat hesitant to part with both Street and set-up man Joaquin Benoit, Heyman added.
     
  • The Angels are one club looking at Street, Jon Heyman reported. The club's interest was reported Sunday by Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Los Angeles has also considered Jonathan Papelbon of the Phillies, but his contract is an obvious turn-off. (On the other hand, of course, he would presumably require less of a prospect return to acquire.)
     
  • Rafael Soriano needs 32 more games finished to cause his $14 million club option to vest, but the Nationals closer says that vesting option or not, he wants to return to Washington in 2015, MLB.com's Bill Ladson reported. Soriano would need to get up to the 62-finish mark (a career high) to make it.
     
  • The Mets have made Bartolo Colon available in trades, ESPN New York's Adam Rubin reported. The team isn't thought to be seriously negotiating a Colon trade at this time, though a Major League source thinks the Mets will start hearing more offers on the veteran right-hander over the next week. It was reported last week that the Mets were listening to offers for the 41-year-old Colon, who fits as a trade chip given his contract ($3.75 million remaining this season and $11 million in 2015) and the fact that New York has the young pitching depth to take Colon's spot in the rotation both this season and next. The Mets could wait until past the July 31st deadline to move Colon and "it is not a foregone conclusion that he will be dealt" at all, Rubin wrote.
     
  • Kendrys Morales' first venture into free agency lasted much longer than the switch-hitter would have liked, and after signing a one-year deal with the Twins in June, it sounds as if he's very open to signing a contract that would prevent him from hitting the free agency again this winter. Darren Wolfson of 1500 ESPN spoke with Morales' agent, Scott Boras, who "gushed" about how much his client loves playing for the Twins. A long-term deal is "certainly in play," Wolfson added. Of course, it remains to be seen whether the Twins themselves are open to such a proposition.
     
  • Red Sox outfielder Jonny Gomes is on the Royals' list of targets as the team continues its search for a right-handed bat, ESPN's Jerry Crasnick reported. Kansas City has been rumored to be looking for outfield and bench depth in the wake of Nori Aoki's struggles as the everyday right fielder.
     
  • Rangers assistant GM A.J. Preller will receive a second interview for the Padres' general manager job, Gerry Fraley of the Dallas Morning News reported. Of the dozen or so candidates known to have interviewed for the job, Preller is thought to be the first to receive a second meeting with San Diego's upper management team.
     
  • David Robertson said there have "been zero talks" between his representatives and the Yankees about a contract extension, Anthony McCarron of the New York Daily News reported.
     
  • The Blue Jays acquired first baseman Brett Wallace from the Orioles, David Hall of the Virginian Pilot reported. Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com reported that the O's will be receiving cash considerations in return. This will be Wallace's second stint with the Blue Jays organization, as Toronto originally acquired him from the A's in exchange for Michael Taylor, only to flip him to the Astros seven months later, in exchange for Anthony Gose.
     
  • The Blue Jays released right-hander Frank Francisco, Baseball America's Matt Eddy reported.

User Comments

Tondo
July 16, 2014 - 5:11 AM EDT
IF Naquin is included, he's basically a value wash for the supp 1st the Tribe will get in 2016. They should be able to get a comparable College bat with that pick.

Fact is, Naquin is blocked in this org. Bourn/Brantley short term and then there's Zimmer/Frazier right behind him, who have higher ceilings. Naquin may turn out to be the best CF of them, who knows, but from a GM perspective it makes sense to include him in a deal, as it would be dealing from a strength.
Similarly, I'd be willing to deal Erik Gonzalez too. Would have the added bonus of freeing up a 40 spot.

Santana is regressing. He has power vs LHP and OBP as his strengths, but I honestly think that a rotation of Aguilar/Urshela and Perez can make up the most of it, esp. vs LHP.

I still would be willing to do whatever it takes to retain Salazar and offer Santana, Naquin, Frazier, House + (BP arm or low A arm, maybe Kime or M.Brown if they want more upside or B.Price/Sturdevant). If you value Frazier+House+BP arm/low A arm over Salazar than the deal offers more value than just Santana/Salazar.

Price, Kluber, Salazar for 2015 does sound like a deep PO run. I'd be willing to give up a lot for that, even for only one season.

As for the money, with Masty, ACab and Santana off the hook (~25mil) , the Tribe can easily afford to pay Price for one season. I can't think of a MLB team that would not sign Price in his prime for basically 1y/17-20mil, it's a no brainer.
Tony
July 16, 2014 - 12:38 AM EDT
I wouldn't do Santana/Salazar for Price. You are getting Price for a year and two months. That is it. No chance he is resigned post-2015. And his $17-20 million arbitration figure for next season really makes it hard to believe the Indians will pay him that....but it is just for one year and just a risk for that year alone which is probably why it is enticing to the Indians. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out and if things start to heat up with the Indians and Rays.
MT88 in WI
July 16, 2014 - 12:21 AM EDT
The whole Price + prospects scenario seems funny to me unless instead of Naquin as a PTBNL it was Clint Frazier. Then that starts making more sense to me (not a want to deal Frazier, only what makes more sense as a balance on the scales).

It also explains why multiple CF (Allen & Zimmer) and looking to Papi as an OF this year in the draft after Frazier last year and Naquin two years ago....
Walter
July 15, 2014 - 11:36 PM EDT
Trading for Price wont be considered if the Indians have a terrible road trip after the All -Star break.
yourtribe
July 15, 2014 - 11:11 PM EDT
No chance I give up Salazar naquin and Santana to get price for just thru 15. Only if we get prospects back that are highly rated. No deals like when we gave Lee away who still had another year on his contract.

This team does not hit enough to win this year.
Homer
July 15, 2014 - 10:21 PM EDT
A few names I think the Tribe might have interest IF there is anything to this story...

Blake Snell - LHSP
Ryne Stanek - RHSP
Jose Mujica - RHSP
Jose Castillo - LHSP
Jeff Ames - RHSP
Mike Montgomery - LHSP
Grayson Garvin - LHSP
Richie Shafer - 3b/1b
Jake Hager - Inf.
Kean Wong - 2b
Hunter Lockwood - LF/1b/DH
Joe Chengery
July 15, 2014 - 9:48 PM EDT
I, too, find it hard to believe that the Rays would be giving up the prospects and not us. (Though I do see that Naquin would be included). Really, I think it would depend on the prospects you'd get back from the Rays to help negate the loss of Salazar, a middle-of-the-order presence (Santana hasn't been ideal there, but still better than most we've tried there) and possibly Naquin.

I still believe in Salazar, as I do think he needs more time to really realize the consistency of the potential he has shown in spurts. If the Indians are not as convinced (and recall that they were convinced a few years ago when many others, including Tony, wondered what the Indians were doing putting Salazar on the 40-man roster- how smart was that move? Plus, you have to wonder if the Indians have really soured that much on Salazar that quickly, as they know full well that Price won't be here longer than 2015, so it's really the prospects that will make this deal, not Price- it's debatable the Indians can even reach the postseason in 2014, even with Price onboard, leaving only one shot beyond that in 2015 to reach the postseason and win the World Series with Price), then I could see why they might entertain this idea.

Let's be clear, though: Price will only be here through 2015 at the latest- there's no good reason for him to take a two-year extension when he'll be 30 in 2015- he'll want what could be his last big contract when 2015 is up, and there's no reason to think the Indians will be the ones to pay that large contract.

In truth, the real key for this deal to go down is the prospects the Indians would get back from Tampa, and that might be why, as inexplicable as that might be, why prospects would be coming back to the Indians in this proposed deal. The Rays would get three cost-controlled solid at least, if not more (borderline spectacular for Santana, potentially spectacular for Salazar, potentially a decent backup in Naquin, possibly more), while the Indians would get a higher, more consistent player in Price, but only for the next year-and-a-half.

And, while a first-round supplemental pick for Price would seem likely in the 2016 Draft or a major haul in a 2015 Deadline trade if the Indians fall out of contention, the prospects would still need to be included in the unfortunate event something happened to Price that would heavily negate either of those aforementioned scenarios (either a massive drop in performance, or a more realistic possibility, a serious injury).

The question is, if this scenario is legitimate, and the Indians are seriously considering it, who might the Indians be looking at from the Tampa system, and who can they realistically expect to get along with Price for the presumed price of Santana, Salazar, and Naquin (as a PTBNL)?
yourtribe
July 15, 2014 - 2:20 PM EDT
Do it in a minute as long as we can tie up price till at least through 17.

Then go after hitters in offseason with the money u get back when cabby and masty leave. About 20 mill. Promote Lindor and off we go. And get naquin here to so trade Murphy. Avg hitter at best with no speed.

Walter
July 15, 2014 - 2:05 PM EDT
Regarding Santana is having a bad year , but still is the 3rd best hitter in middle of the line up. If he was just hitting around 250, I bet he would be the HR leader on this team and pushing Brantley as RBI leader. If that was the case it would probably put the Indians about 4 games over 500 instead stuck at the 500 level.

So if the Indians do trade Santana than Tony is right in suggesting that the Indians need to find a middle of the order bat to replace him.
Nick S
July 15, 2014 - 12:45 PM EDT
Tyler Nuquin is also going in this deal as a player to named later. On DL can,t trade him untill comes off DL. Anotentti is the GM not Shapiro .A right hand stick togo after is Alex Rios, under contract thru next year. Texas is ready to unload Rios, Beltre ,Soria, Frasor.
Steve
July 15, 2014 - 12:43 PM EDT
@Andrew...@Tony
Lets get this straight Andrew...

SANTANA:
BA-.207 / Runs-39 / HR-14 / RBI-37

SALAZAR:
IP - 40 / Wins - 1 / K's - 47 / ERA - 5.53 / WHIP - 1.62

FOR:

PRICE:
IP - 147.2 / Wins - 9 / K's 164 / ERA - 3.23 / WHIP - 1.07
AND PROSPECTS?

If the Indians didn't do this trade they would be the biggest FOOLS in baseball.

Price replaces Salazar who is still unproven.
Gomes already replaced Santana behind the plate
.
You can get anyone to fulfill that "TREMENDOUS" .207 BATTING AVERAGE that we would lose with Santana!!!
Clay
July 15, 2014 - 12:07 PM EDT
Santana/Salazar for Price and prospects makes about as much sense as Hiram.

It's doesn't.
shy
July 15, 2014 - 12:06 PM EDT
Joe Madden believes he can still make the playoffs. Rays had an awful slump dropping 14/15 but won back 11/15 to close H1. And they have Wil Myers and David DeJusus coming back in 2-3 weeks. I don't think the Rays will move Price for Carlos Santana and Danny Salazar. I don't think the Indians need Price, starting pitching is ok and he will be expensive. Everybody wants Price and Zobrist, lots of comp offers. It does seem however, that Friedman and Shapiro have a comfort zone going in trade negotiations. I think moving Santana would be a good move, enabling Gomes to work some at first, and Roberto Perez to get a chance to catch more games and maybe DH. Santana is striking out more lately and walking less, his OBP is dropping back. I think pitchers are finally realizing they can get him to roll over, pop-up or strike out. I mean why keep pitching around a .200 hitter.
markn95
July 15, 2014 - 11:08 AM EDT
I have no problem seeing Santana go, especially with the emergence of Gomes behind the plate these last 12 months and the need to keep Lonnie's bat in the lineup but get his glove away from 3B. It's the loss of Salazar that would hurt. Again, like many have said it's tough to determine what we have in this guy. But the lack of high-end SP prospects in the upper levels of the system would make it imperative to get at least one big arm back from Tampa. From what I understand, they have plenty of those, so let's see what happens.

One thing that makes me wonder about this rumor--Santana is signed through 2016 with a 2017 team option. But his salary takes a big bump next year and 2016, at least by Tampa standards (I think it goes from 2.5M this year to 6M next year and 8M in 2016). Maybe that's cost-controlled enough by Rays standards but their payroll is significantly lower than the Tribe's.
Tondo
July 15, 2014 - 10:51 AM EDT
Hmm, tricky scenario. I absolutely want Price, but really like those two. Probably because they're home grown.

Santana hits LHP, but the Indians could do without him and hope that Aguilar/Perez/Urshela deliver, especially vs LHP. If the Rays are high on Santana as a C, then they probably value him more than the Indians, so he should be included, if they want and value him. Gomes/Perez should be the C for the foreseeable future. As a 1B/3B/DH Santana clearly has lesser value. He is controllable for 2-3 more seasons for fair money.

The question then becomes: how do you value Salazar? He's just 24yo, controllable for 5 more years and already flashed greatness. I fully expect him to have 2-3 really great/AS-caliber seasons, but I doubt he will ever become a consistent FOR. Inconsistency and injuries will probably ruin some seasons.

So, under those premises the equation becomes: 1.5 great seasons of Price vs. 2.5 AVG seasons of Santana and 2.5 good-great seasons of Salazar.

Not sure the Rays need to add prospects, as the Indians will get a supp 1st in the 2016 draft for losing Price in FA.

Not sure I would do it. I'd like to keep Salazar, though I understand that no deal will happen withour one of him, Bauer or Lindor. I would rather overpay and give them Santana+Frazier+House+Lugo or Colon, simply because a rotation of Price, Kluber and Salazar has the sound and upside of a World Series winning one. Dream big
Tony
July 15, 2014 - 10:32 AM EDT
Price would certainly help but I still think it is an odd fit for the Indians considering what they would have to give up and his 2015 contract figure. If they are trading Santana they better go out and get a middle of the order bat because even with his struggles this year he has been a threat in the lineup and still the third best hitter on the team.
Daingean
July 15, 2014 - 9:30 AM EDT
I think Price being a year and a half rental is part of the equation. Also it may be Tampa's demand of Salazar in return that is driving up the price of the return. Salazar has had a demotion, that's true, but he also was picked to start the 1 WC game and that's a significant fact.
GSon
July 15, 2014 - 7:59 AM EDT
Price plus prospects for Danny Salazar and Carlos Santana?.. Does the possibility of a trade like that even make sense?. Price is a consistent Cy Young caliber left handed league ace.. He is considered one of the best pitchers in the game, arguably the best left hander not named Kershaw.. Danny Salazar has a hand full of starts and a demotion.. Carlos Santana has flirted with the Mendoza line all season & doesn't appear to be able to play catcher any more (good).. Both Salazar and Santana are good players, even great in brief moments.. but neither have achieved league wide acclaim...

Why would the Rays need to send "prospects" with Price to acquire Danny and Carlos?.. Where ever this story originated, it didn't have common sense or reality attached to it.. The only reference to this story is a vague interest "story" from at least some time ago by a non-referenced source that who's name attached says "This is BS!!" that Chris Cotillo (who is that?) at a blog known for BS picks up and writes a follow up story to the BS..

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