Indians, Reds deep in talks regarding Shin-Soo Choo trade
December 11, 2012
Update 7:58pm ET: Ken Rosenthal, FOXSports.com's senior baseball writer is reporting that it is a confirmed three-team trade that will send Shin Soo Choo and Jason Donald to the Reds, Didi Gregorius to the Diamondbacks, with the Indians receiving centerfielder Drew Stubbs and one of the young prospect pitchers from Arizona. The pitchers are believed to be lefty Patrick Corbin, lefty Tyler Skaggs or righty Trevor Bauer. Rosenthal believes that Skaggs is unlikely. While Bauer is rated ahead of Skaggs right now, the lefty power pitchers seems to have more momentum, and more upside.
Update 6:57pm ET: The deal is extremely fluid right now, but it appears as though the Indians would acquire Gregorius, then send him to Arizona. The Diamondbacks prefer Gregorios because they would have him under control through 2019. Arizona would, in turn, send a young pitcher(s) to the Indians as compensation. Asdrubal Cabrera would remain with the Indians in such a deal. It's likely that the deal...or deals...will be completed tonight.
Update 5:27pm ET: Paul Hoynes of the Plain Dealer is reporting that a three-team deal between the Diamondbacks, Indians and Reds is cooking. Whether it is a three-team deal or two separate deals is unknown, but the Diamondbacks really like Gregorius and it is possible he could be going to them, Choo and a player to the Reds, and the Indians get Stubbs and one of the Diamondbacks' young pitchers.
According to a report from Danny Knobler of CBS Sports, the Indians and Reds are deep in trade talks for Shin-Soo Choo. The reported players the Indians could receive in the deal are young shortstop Didi Gregorius and outfielder Drew Stubbs. There is also talk that the Indians may send another player to the Reds to complete the deal.
Gregorius, 22, hit .265 with 7 HR, 54 RBI, and .717 OPS in 129 combined games between Double-A and Triple-A last season. The left-handed hitter also made his Major League debut and went 8-for-20 in eight games for the Reds. He is a good defensive shortstop with a plus arm and has some skills with the bat, though the consistency of his bat is a question mark at the big league level.
Stubbs, 28, hit .214 with 14 HR, 40 RBI, 30 stole bases and .610 OPS in 136 games for the Reds last season. He is a right-handed hitter that is prone to strikeouts with 588 in 1791 career at bats in the big leagues, but he has some power, speed and versatility where he can play all three outfield positions.
If such a deal goes through, it is possible it may mean that a trade of shortstop Asdrubal Cabrera is imminent, or that Gregorius would be flipped to another team as part of a deal for a pitcher. With Choo gone it could also mean the Indians are close to signing an outfielder, possibly Nick Swisher or maybe even Cody Ross.
Trade talks are always fluid, so the names could change, but when such talks get leaked and said to be as far along as they are, it usually means a trade is forthcoming. We will see what happens.
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Tremendous trade by the Tribe!
Reds - Choo and Donald
Dbax - Gregorius, Sipp and Lars Anderson
Tribe - Bauer, Stubbs, Albers and Shaw
Reds - Choo and Donald
Indians - Bauer and Stubbs
Dbax - Gregorius, Sipp, Anderson
According to every source I've talked to, Arizona wanted three-plus years of control from whatever shortstop they acquired, based on the pitchers that they were putting out there. I'm not sure they wouldn't eventually have bitten on Cabrera...but it's good to see the Indians being proactive either way.
I concur, that the Indians outfield is left bare right now, and they may NOT have the outfielders in the bag, but I do think this is the ONLY way for the Indians to improve their team. They have to take these type of risks.
Of course that's only my opinion...with Choo off the books, it WILL give them five million or so to play with. Stubbs has an arbitration number in the 2-3 million range I think...
So perhaps two outfielders could be in play.
Dbax land Gregorius
Reds land Choo and Donald
Tribe land Stubbs and Bauer / Corbin.
I'm hoping for Bauer, might be Corbin seems like he could be a fit too. Bauer has more upside, but Corbin is a talented LHSP so it would be hard to dislike it IMO.
Wonder if the player on the 40 man roster might be Phelps?
Coffee in 90' sunshine surprised as hell b/c only yesterday
Was all quiet on the choo front.
Tony, wld Stubbs then become tribe lead off hitter
& what type of team control with him? Cheaper than choo
I'm guessing. Have you heard if Tribe in on E.Jackson at all?Wld love to get Bauer/Skaggs & still have Acab
But hope Lindor & Paulino not a part of the deal.
Shy, get the feeling your not a F.O fan ???
The best part about this, if you ask me, is we could potentially land one of the SP's we desire, and still have our best trade chip in house. If we could land a good young SP for Choo, now we could have our choice of dealing Cabrera or hanging onto him.
Bauer/Skaggs for Cabrera/Lindor is not good. Has to be another moving part. Stubbs is a throw in. Choo for a questionable prospect ? No, never !!! You are right Tony, let's wait and see what shakes out, but we may not like the droppings !!!
Stubbs had a .610 ops last year with half of his games in the bandbox in Cincy.
The only way this would make sense for Cleveland, is if they plan on getting both Skaggs and Bauer from AZ with some kind of Cabrera + prospect swap (but, would think they could do this with Cabrera and Lindor, if AZ were going to bite at something like that), and then turn around and sign Swisher AND Ross. I've actually thought trading Choo, signing Ross and still pursuing Swisher would be a smart move, so I guess I'll withhold judgment until everything shakes out, or until this is declared baseless CBS Sports rumer-mongering. The problem I would see, is the Indians can't attract 1 free agent, much less 2
Also, people have to remember that Lindor is a few years away. Maybe a late 2014 ETA, but more likely 2015. And, such a pickup could make some of their shortstop prospects available in a deal for ML pitching.
If the Indians are looking to acquire a SS to flip in a trade, why don't they trade one of the prospects they already have? If there's one thing the Indians have a lot of, it's high-upside SS prospects. I can't imagine AZ would rather have Gregorius than Lindor, for example, especially in tandem with Cabrera, and I'd certainly rather go with Choo and Aviles, than ____/Stubbs? and Gregorius. It would seem to be a lose-lose trade, the Reds get an outfielder for a year who they don't need, and the Indians get some junk they don't need.
It feels like Antonetti is making moves just to say that he did.
Hold on to Choo, then move him at the deadline.